GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[pittsburghgirl]

Whenever something like this happens, it reinforces that there is no defense against someone who has ill intent and a plan to commit violence.

It think it's possible to defend against "ill intent" and violence, starting with believing that there are people who want to do others harm. Depraved individuals like The Loser are far and away in the minority of the population, but he's the guy that makes walking in groups and locking doors and having window coverings that provide privacy necessary.

From what we've read, Kaylee and Dylan felt uneasy. What if they had taken that as seriously as they could? Got and used locks. Covered windows. Had and used an alarm. Called the police about the guy in the shadows. Kept social media private. This is not to victim blame. I teach college kids and believe me, they all think they are Superman level bullet proof. And when living in groups they feel safety in numbers.

But we've made big dents in things like drunk driving (see Kaylee and Maddie leaving the cars at the house and calling a sober driver). We've taught kids not to walk alone but in groups late at night, that there is some safety in numbers. Now we have to convince them not to record their lives for the whole world, to keep their circle small. We have to convince them that privacy and security are as important as the designated driver. I used to have baseball season tickets and often went to night games by myself. I never hesitated to ask a group walking together to watch as I got into my car.

I wrote this yesterday but it bears repeating. Dylan and Bethany have taken massive criticism for locking themselves in a room together and not calling 9-1-1. They didn't know what was going on and they weren't 100% sober. They felt fear and acted on it. The Loser returned to the murder scene the next morning. What if he had come into that house to try to retrieve the sheath? They were smart to call others to make sure there wasn't a monster in the house.

 

[10ofRods]

The addition of firing squad is very tied up with Mormonism, too, interestingly, in that area of the US. Heavily LDS areas, it's a cultural thing, going back to the early Church and blood atonement. Read Shot in the Heart, Mikal Gilmore's book about his brother Gary if you're interested to know more.

MOO

What a good point! I always think of Gary Gilmore who deliberately went to Utah to kill people, so that he could fulfill his dream of suicide by firing squad.

I had no idea his brother had written a book.

Thank you so much!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Or at least a connection to the 'type' of victims that were killed. IMO

For the Loser, other people aren't real. They are objects of his desire, his resentment, his anger, his hate. What's personal to him is HIM and the emptiness inside.

 

[Ghostwheel]

How do you explain the one document in those files that mentions that when the investigator was led to KG's room, he noted everything was neat and tidy, but that the covers on the bed seemed to be thrown back and arranged as if someone had been sleeping but then threw off the covers and got up?

This was interesting to me, because I feel we've been led to believe that the two girls were in one bed, but that sure makes it sound as if KG got up upon hearing something and went to aid MM.

I am still on the fence about how many people he intended to kill (I think the "intent" in this case was very broad - he went in willing to wreak havoc if he felt like it and I think his primary target was MM).

I have always thought that Kaylee heard something and came from her room to Maddie's room. One possible scenario in my mind was BK was in Maddie's room, thought it to be a quick kill, Murphy started barking, Kaylee WAS the one who going across the 3rd floor landing said "Someone's here", Murphy was told to stay, so he stayed (if he was well trained yet), Kaylee went to defend her friend and was beaten and stabbed because she messed up easy (where the rage came from and that she would have fought very hard). At that point Xana heard what was going on and maybe went up the stairs, saw what was happening and ran down the stairs. That fills out most of what DM heard.

The words "Found in the same bed" are not that same as "started in the same bed", so plenty of room for interpretation.

 

[tlcya]

“To this, [the woman] said Kohberger asked what she thought would be the worst way to die,” lead detective Brett Payne wrote in his report. When the woman answered with a knife, she said Kohberger asked, “like a Ka Bar?”

A Ka-Bar is a large combat knife, which authorities said was used by Kohberger to fatally stab the four students. Prosecutors said Kohberger purchased the knife, sheath and sharpener on Amazon in March 2022. A Ka-Bar sheath, containing his DNA, was ultimately found next to one of his victims.

The woman told the detective that she didn’t know what a Ka-Bar is and so looked it up online. She eventually stopped talking to Kohberger, however, “because his questions made her uncomfortable,” according to the report.
Woman Says She Tinder Matched With Bryan Kohberger But Cut Ties After His Disturbing Questions

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948840435322941650

 

[twall]

I have not watched this yet but SG speaks to AB on the phone. There was a preview in last night's Banfield show hosted by Brian Entin.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

our "baby" (20) is moving into a house off campus, in our town. the number of cameras and locks on the doors is astounding. they joke that if there's a fire, they will need to hurl themselves out the windows!

Curtains and blinds. And use them.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Still making my way through the documents so sorry if I'm behind but I'm reading roommate BF's 2nd interview and in it she explained her, DM & KG moved in August 2022. Not sure when Xana moved in. But she said MM was the only one who had lived in the residence previously. And BK had been stalking the area for months? Before BF, DM, KG & possibly XK moved in??? So indeed MM could have been the target, or again just the house if there were women living there previously too.

(Document 90)

The Loser didn't come to Washington until July. He was in Pennsylvania before that.

 

[cottonweaver]

supp 103 Interview with his neighbour at WSU Pullman - not much in the statement except often seen returning home to the apartments in the small hours 1am- 2am, dark clothing and backpack

supp 109 - woman living at Queen Rd says a man tried her door at 1 am on Oct 14th.
( Pity we don't have every date for the 23 visits/ CAST data to see if events coincide with his visits. This event and the Nov 4th incident where the door to 1122 was found open by the girls)

Supp 105 - apps he had on his phone upon arrest









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[pittsburghgirl]

I'm surprised that the prison where BK is/will be held is announced publicly.

In case of notorious/high profile perps (in my country)
the prison is kept secret from the public.

Also,
it happens that the perp is moved around prisons.

JMO

This prison is out in the middle of nowhere. It's desert. Not even grass. You can see someone coming for miles. You can get a kind of tour of it on the YouTube block Surviving the Survivor.

 

[jesse]

I think this is one situation where AT's stall and delay helped The Loser. She waited until absolutely the last minute before the jury selection was to start with 10,000 summonses to ask for a deal.

I'm not defending AT, but it wasn't up to her. It was up to her client.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948795909644714452

The smirk is gone.
IMO
he looks devastated.

And here NO AI is needed.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

Curtains and blinds. And use them.

I had a “peeping Tom” years ago, he would take a cut log stump and face it upright to stand on and look into the closed blinds of my bedroom. The rest of my house is a lot of glass and no curtains. The log kept getting taken from the woodpile and put under the window. The cops knew who it was, said he was harmless and had “issues”. They spoke to him and it stopped. I guess the inability to look in was the draw.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

He may have disagreed with the way things were handled by the bureaucracy of the DA's office and the political factors at play but in terms of police work and catching the creep responsible, I think deep down he had some respect for the detectives who put in the work to close the case. No matter what at the end of the day it was damn good policing that caught the coward and put him in jail for the rest of his life. He has a right to be angry at the higher-ups who strung him along and fed him BS in my opinion.

I don't think he meant what he said at the sentencing. He had advisors help him craft what he said. Dr. Ann Burgess from Boston College was one of them. She talked about that as a guest on the "Surviving the Survivor" episode after the sentencing (source).

His son didn't speak in court because his statement "wasn't court appropriate," according to his mother. He lashed out at the prosecutor at the presser after the sentencing. I think the presser was to say what they couldn't say in court. I'm sorry about that; I had hopes that they really saw how extraordinary the investigation and prosecution effort was.

They can't let go. The family comes from that an ideology that the individual is more important than the collective; see how they talk about their own investigative efforts, although the family had no chance of catching the Loser, as that involved DNA, warrants, hours of examining video, cell phone pings, and professional training. They literally do not understand that they can't control the judicial system. From the Ward/Patterson book: "The Goncalves children have been raised not to trust the government or institutions. They are libertarians. They live to bet on themselves" (p. 24-25 Kindle ed.). So we see this confounding situation where they had to give control of the outcome of the investigation and prosecution over to institutions that they never trusted in the first place.

Of course, this reaction is all fueled by grief and rage. But LE and the prosecution were never going to be able to give them what they wanted: to control the process.

 

[jesse]

I believe the policies at IMRI state six months before those privileges are allowed. Also, in their policies, I do believe I read that this is 6 months in a cell by oneself, presumably with the 1 hour a day outside (nothing about whether he gets to socialize during that 1 hour).

I am delighted to see all this talk of him having to pay restitution before he can spend his commissary money. That would be great.

That would be great, but I read that only 20% of what he gets goes to restitution...

 

[jesse]

I had a “peeping Tom” years ago, he would take a cut log stump and face it upright to stand on and look into the closed blinds of my bedroom. The rest of my house is a lot of glass and no curtains. The log kept getting taken from the woodpile and put under the window. The cops knew who it was, said he was harmless and had “issues”. They spoke to him and it stopped. I guess the inability to look in was the draw.

"Harmless"???

Easy for them to say. I would never be satisfied with that answer.

 

[Seattle1]

Agree- they likely would not transfer him to a PA prison while the media is high, but I’m not sure how long it will take for the media to slow.
I was thinking about logical reasons to move BK to a prison in Penn rather than keep him in Idaho.
There may be a good reason- he may be developing a following there in Idaho.
If he has sick fans who travel to Idaho to do what people do- drive around the neighborhood where the house was, go to the club, drive the path he drove, visit his appt complex in Pullman, then they may put that prison on their tourism list.
I don’t know what rules there would be for visitors-
If he is in Penn, it may help to break up that pattern of media and such in Idaho.
I do not know the distance between where he will be and Moscow, but I do know there are other sites there people would visit. Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are there, as is the home where Tylee and JJ were killed.

For me it is a bit soon to visit any of those sites- but I have driven the route of Lee Harvey Oswald to the movie theater, and seen the jail where Bonnie and Clyde were housed, and I found the old homes in Salem, Mass where the witch trials took place both terrifying and fascinating. So, no judgement unless you are a nut and bother people.

I do feel for BK’s family, his parents, his sisters, they may be getting attention they do not want. People are weirdos and don’t use good judgement.

IMO

An alternate location to house BK is not optional-- it's dependent on Idaho's Interstate Compact Agreement (enacted by the State Legislature).

The same also creates the possibility for offenders to serve parole or probation in states outside of the state where they were convicted. Since there's a cost involved, this generally operates as a 'prisoner exchange.' I previously posted the link for this info in prior thread.

BK should feel fairly safe being housed in Idaho for one specific reason -- Idaho is a death penalty state. However, I could see BK being transferred one day on behalf of the victims. Who in Moscow wouldn't sleep better knowing he was as far away as possible...

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm not defending AT, but it wasn't up to her. It was up to her client.

Of course. He had to agree to ask for a deal. My point was that the timing was perfect--such a narrow window to avoid protracted negotiations over stuff like "where is the knife?" It was do the deal right now or go to trial. And I give AT the credit for the timing.

 

[Warwick7]

Considering he left none of his blood behind, turning that knife to use the butt end to bludgeon seems a good way to cut yourself. He could have had something inside his glove, maybe brass knuckles on? Or possibly a blackjack around his wrist? Just some thoughts

What is a blackjack?