GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Ghostwheel]

maybe ? I know that 2 years ago we thought it was microwave popcorn , maybe others can chime in, I dont know if it matters really, it was just about how it could have ended up there. ( by the sink) if it wasnt left there from the beginning, right by the door she used for delivery, then it could have been moved, like the other dishes.
Table pic has no xana sticker, no seal, and looks squashed.

I think that package looks like this popcorn.

From We tried 5 brands of microwave popcorn and the winner was clear
Looks like Act II Butter Lovers, but that a guess

 

[gremlin444]

maybe ? I know that 2 years ago we thought it was microwave popcorn , maybe others can chime in, I dont know if it matters really, it was just about how it could have ended up there. ( by the sink) if it wasnt left there from the beginning, right by the door she used for delivery, then it could have been moved, like the other dishes.
Table pic has no xana sticker, no seal, and looks squashed.

You are absolutely right that the bag by the sink and the bag by the table are not the same bag--my apologies!

I was reading the thread on the tiny screen of my cell phone and didn't spot the difference in color (white vs a darker color like brown) of the printing on the bag.

 

[ttjo]

You are absolutely right that the bag by the sink and the bag by the table are not the same bag--my apologies!

I was reading the thread on the tiny screen of my cell phone and didn't spot the difference in color (white vs a darker color like brown) of the printing on the bag.

No worries. I only know because this is what I was hung up on 2 years ago. lol. I studied that picture like I was going for a gold medal.

 

[sripey]

Yepper. He was quite pleased with himself a few hours later. Not so much now though.

Unfortunately, that photo was not as unique as we thought(for the record, I adamantly believe that particular pic was a "trophy" pic.). According to investigators in this CNN interview...

"But the reality was, we have many, many other pictures of him. Selfies where he has a very similar pose. It wasn't just one unique that was only that way."

Timestamp 07:27

 

[iamshadow21]

What is going on with his knuckles that are visible? Perhaps overexposure but they appear overly white. This photograph is chilling. All that we've seen and this is when he expresses emotion, joy?

I've discussed it before, but I'm certain BK has Raynauds. My partner has it. If you look at photographs showing his hands, they're often blanched white or obviously have blood pooling.

This picture shows it really clearly.

Bryan Kohberger Indicted in Idaho Student Murders Case, Will Enter a Plea on Monday

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was arrested in late 2022 and charged with the murders of Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin

people.com

 

[Miss Poovy]

I would think reassign him- for him to simply be kicked out seems drastic to me, if he came in with good standing.
There may have even been a student swap. Some schools send a MS student to a PhD program of someone they know and accept one from the other program.
I’ve not heard of students being kicked out like that for issues for what has been described as grading issues.
And it seems a confrontation with a Prof. That is a big deal- but even Profs can have egos and go off at times. Usually you work it out.
He was in his first semester- barely started.

IMO

From memory, it does sound like the Dean or Program Director did meet with him about his attitude and grading & paraphrasing told him he needed to straighten up. There was a follow up mtg that he didn’t attend. So I seem to remember that lead to his TA termination.

 

[Warwick7]

Unfortunately, that photo was not as unique as we thought(for the record, I adamantly believe that particular pic was a "trophy" pic.). According to investigators in this CNN interview...

"But the reality was, we have many, many other pictures of him. Selfies where he has a very similar pose. It wasn't just one unique that was only that way."

Timestamp 07:27

That may be the case investigators..... but this "one" was only hours after slaughtering kids. He goes about his business with his similar poses like nothing affects him.

 

[ttjo]

That may be the case investigators..... but this "one" was only hours after slaughtering kids. He goes about his business with his similar poses like nothing affects him.

its amazing how someone can have such rage to do what he did, ( I mean 80+stab wounds on only 2 of the victims) yet sit for hours through those victim impact statements and not even flinch.
There were many different tones to those statements, so its not like he was just getting enjoyment hearing the misery he caused.
Maddis dad for one, so heartfelt talking about his challenges in life and his only reason for living at that time was Maddi, if that didn't get him, what would?
. Bethany's was another heart-wrenching speech, about the guilt she felt. They were all very powerful in different ways. Alivia was the star, but she gave it to him.
You could hear someone crying very loudly at certain points, there were many people who had reason to cry but I wondered if that was his mom, and if that had any impact on his black heart.

 

[Warwick7]

From memory, it does sound like the Dean or Program Director did meet with him about his attitude and grading & paraphrasing told him he needed to straighten up. There was a follow up mtg that he didn’t attend. So I seem to remember that lead to his TA termination.

I cut and pasted apart of my timeline:

Sept. 23 2022 BK has altercation with professor.

Oct. 3, 2022 BK had to have a meeting to discuss "professional behavior."

Oct 19 another online search: “Can Psychopaths behave prosocially,” according to Kohberger’s phone data.

Oct. 21 BK received an email about "failure to meet expectations."

Nov. 2 BK had to have a meeting to discuss "improvement plan progress."

Nov 22, 2022 Sheath hand delivered to Othram Labs, in Texas.

**He goes back to the University. Contues to be a teachers assistant (all of a sudden he is grading papers kinder/nicer).

Dec 2, 2022 BK got his hair cut. In the book, hairdresser gives her account.

Dec 7, 2022 BK had to have a meeting to "discuss improvement plan progress. "

Dec 9, 2022 BK had second altercation with professor.

Dec 10, BK's Dad buys his plain ticket.

Dec 10, 2022 FBI gets sheath back from Othram Labs for further testing.

Dec. 15, 2022 Classes ended at WSU.

Dec. 16 Classes end at UI Moscow.

(Date) BK leaves his home. Leaves behind a coverall tag and Walmart receipt on a bathroom shelf. He also takes ALL his clothes.

Dec 17, 2022 Home in Pennsylvania.

Dec 19, 2022 BK is officially terminated at his job.

Dec 30, 2022 after 1am he is arrested at parents home in PA.

Dec 30, 2022 WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK.

 

[Sundog]

Don't know if these have been posted, Bill Thompson interviews.

I hadn't realized that it was arranged in advance that DM would give her victim's impact statement sitting next to Bill Thompson so that Bill Thompson could block her view of BK so that she didn't have to see him. Described by Bill Thompson in this interview.

 

[AngTxGal]

Or was he unaware Maddie had company? Was he there to ra pe, then kill? If so he probably came with a stun gun, maybe rope. I don't think his intent was to kill multiple people.

I wonder if he did come prepared to carry out a sexual assault and then ran into Kaylee with Maddie.
If he put together a kit- he may have tossed it with clothing and other things.

BK has a remarkable skill to hold in emotions- he may also flip on a dime and lose all control.

When thinking of Nature vs Nurture, like in The Bad Seed, there is another movie that shows how a personality can flip on a dime given the right circumstances.

Look up the movie Adolescence
I think I remember struggling with a British accent- tough for me at times
Could be on BBC, Netflix
It is about a young teen boy being accused of murder of a female classmate.

The boy actor is chilling- the interactions between him and an interviewer are chilling, I think she is a forensic psychologist. He flips on a dime like Jekyl and Hyde. If an actor can do that- playing a part and be so convincing then he may be ‘acting’ very well to seemingly turn emotions on and off.

Adolescence- Wikipedia

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

I cut and pasted apart of my timeline:

Sept. 23 2022 BK has altercation with professor.

Oct. 3, 2022 BK had to have a meeting to discuss "professional behavior."

Oct 19 another online search: “Can Psychopaths behave prosocially,” according to Kohberger’s phone data.

Oct. 21 BK received an email about "failure to meet expectations."

Nov. 2 BK had to have a meeting to discuss "improvement plan progress."

Nov 22, 2022 Sheath hand delivered to Othram Labs, in Texas.

**He goes back to the University. Contues to be a teachers assistant (all of a sudden he is grading papers kinder/nicer).

Dec 2, 2022 BK got his hair cut. In the book, hairdresser gives her account.

Dec 7, 2022 BK had to have a meeting to "discuss improvement plan progress. "

Dec 9, 2022 BK had second altercation with professor.

Dec 10, BK's Dad buys his plain ticket.

Dec 10, 2022 FBI gets sheath back from Othram Labs for further testing.

Dec. 15, 2022 Classes ended at WSU.

Dec. 16 Classes end at UI Moscow.

(Date) BK leaves his home. Leaves behind a coverall tag and Walmart receipt on a bathroom shelf. He also takes ALL his clothes.

Dec 17, 2022 Home in Pennsylvania.

Dec 19, 2022 BK is officially terminated at his job.

Dec 30, 2022 after 1am he is arrested at parents home in PA.

Dec 30, 2022 WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK.

I had no idea WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK
Did Univ of Idaho?

How many times did he wander around at night driving to see the 1122 house when he should have been sleeping- and walk in tired and disheveled?
As others have said, his murder prep ‘hobby’ may have cost him his job and his PhD program.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

What is going on with his knuckles that are visible? Perhaps overexposure but they appear overly white. This photograph is chilling. All that we've seen and this is when he expresses emotion, joy?

I read that his mom had sent him a shirt in the mail and he was taking a picture of himself in it and sending it back to her- that the shirt worked.

But… this was when he had taken a shower after arriving home from the murders. I believe it is the exact morning after

IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Do we know if the door was open or closed at the time BK came in though?

Apologies, I tend to look at all sides. If BK came up the stairs and had no specific target, saw Kaylees door closed and Maddie's open, he's going to go to the open door. Or he would have gone there if MM was the target. The dog hears something and moves, whimpers or barks, Kaylee wakes up and goes to Maddie's room, leaving her door open and tells Murphy to Stay. "Someone's here". She gets attacked , BK either sees Xana and chases her downstairs or heads downstairs and sees Xana. Kaylee and Maddie are in Maddies room, and Murphy is in Kaylees room with the door open.

One of many possibilities

Absolutely - another WS-er had replied saying innocent explanation is just that Xana didn't close the front door properly after collecting her Door Dash

( On Kaylee's bedroom door, it was open when the first LEOs attended the scene. On the other point of Kaylee being mobile during the attack, until we see ISP forensic records which tell us something different about blood cast and spatter, there appears to be no suggestion she managed to get off MM's bed. ( No suggestion in the MPD records of blood cast)

 

[Warwick7]

Absolutely - another WS-er had replied saying innocent explanation is just that Xana didn't close the front door properly after collecting her Door Dash

( On Kaylee's bedroom door, it was open when the first LEOs attended the scene. On the other point of Kaylee being mobile during the attack, until we see ISP forensic records which tell us something different about blood cast and spatter, there appears to be no suggestion she managed to get off MM's bed. ( No suggestion in the MPD records of blood cast)

I like the idea of Xana not closing the front door properly after collecting her Door Dash. But, the door was closed when Hunter arrived. How did it get closed again?

 

[Spiderplant]

I like the idea of Xana not closing the front door properly after collecting her Door Dash. But, the door was closed when Hunter arrived. How did it get closed again?

Wind gust, a draft in the building

 

[girlhasnoname]

So I must have misunderstood, I'll have to listen to it again but remove my post in the meantime.

You are correct. In one of the supplemental docs it mentioned that Maddie had a cut or abrasion from the corner of her eye to her cheek.

 

[Warwick7]

Wind gust, a draft in the building

Now that, I can believe.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

just jumping off your post about Murphy.

with Kaylee's door being open during the attacks and Murphy being left in KG's room at bedtime, he has to have gone to Maddie's room first, looking for her as his primary target

I just saw a snippet of Bill Thompson's new interview and he's now saying either MM or KG were the target, that it's impossible to say.

But if he'd gone to KG's room first, surely he'd have closed the door after seeing the dog in there? To keep Murphy in that room. He didn't want to get caught and surely wouldn't want a barking dog waking the whole house, if he could avoid it.

That all sounds reasonable looking back, IMO, good points.

If he went to Kaylee's former bedroom first & saw Murphy & not her, and then shut the door & went to Maddie's room & we all know what happened then....

Because my strong suit is not like some/alot of awesome WSers here who have detailed timelines of "the facts" they have written out & can pull up to hone in...

Just wondering how the above scenario could be reckoned with, IIRC, Dylan's testimony that she (paraphrasing) heard "noises & rough housing & the dog barking" when she was trying to sleep & thought it was Kaylee up late playing with Murphy.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

BBM
I watched the Sheriff do that interview, either Dateline or Peacock's series, cant remember...he said going to BK's apartment gave no evidentiary value

I beg to differ. There was a tag to a balaclava (sp) and there were NO clothes in his apartment. He made the comment that it looked like BK was never coming back. Now to me that's evidentary value. So... just because law enforcement says there's no value in this or value in that or no evidence in this or evidence in that... nope, that doesn't mean there isn't.

Agree, I never thought the Murderer would return to WSU. He knew LE was already on to him.

JMO