GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Thank you for expressing my feelings so well! I share your belief in humane treatment. And like you, I want to try to understand what lay behind his actions.

It seems to me that what he endured in his teens with his visual snow and emotions was torture and explains (not excuses) a lot. I can’t imagine going through what he experienced in his teens. I’m not sure if the visual snow resolved, but I doubt the “disconnection” he described from family and others did. The linked post below contains a few of his posts to a visual snow group describing how he felt. The last one is particularly intense. He was clearly extremely troubled.

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Jul 26, 2025

Watching the Peacock documentary, and they briefly showed a post BK made in a "visual snow" group. I found graphics of them, and find them pretty telling. Looks like from 2011 when he was 17? They've probably been posted here before, but might be interesting to revisit. There are 4. There's more details in the documentary at around the 36 min. mark (Angenette Levy narrates some of his posts). Also, possible relevance, when he started to lose weight he started boxing, so may be an aspect of the blunt force trauma on Kaylee.

• LAborn

• 

I think what he experienced could have led to intense anger, thinking “Why is everyone else normal and I’m not?” As someone who became physically disabled in my old age, I sometimes look at others my age who are able to walk easily and I feel a brief flash of anger at them…it’s not fair! Of course, I don’t allow myself to wallow in that emotion because I know it’s irrational and I don’t want to feel that way about people. But for someone with mental illness, it would be easy to become consumed by that anger and want to hurt those “normal” people having such a great life.

Trying to understand the mind of BK isn’t making excuses or minimizing what he did to Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan. Trying to understand why they were murdered honors their memories IMO.

Thank you for including those old visual snow posts. It had been a long time since I’d seen them and I’m reminded that BK’s descriptions seemed quite vivid and the confusion and despair strong.

I like your idea that trying to understand why the four were murdered honors their memories. I hadn’t thought of it quite like that, but it rings true. If better understanding could lead to greater early intervention of an informed and sensible type, maybe eventually fewer innocents would be lost to violence.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It’s been stated he was wearing a Dickie-type jumpsuit that didn’t have a real waist band.

Wow. I've never heard that. Might you have a link? Thanks!

 

[cottonweaver]

Do you remember the document number for the hand towel purchase?

No I didn't write it down but I posted a screenshot of it onto WS. Regardless I 've just been through the batch twice and couldn't find it.
On the third attempt -

 

[cottonweaver]

It sounds he like barely scraped by to complete the masters and to be accepted into the PhD program. Sometimes, supervisors are willing to take a chance on a wild card. It sounds like Kohberger was that wild card ... who turned out to be a dismal disappointment.

I recall reading something about his relationship with a professor during his master's degree, and I had the impression that he used arrogance and intimidation to influence grades - no idea where I read that anymore. I'm curious whether he tried that with Prof. Snyder and it backfired.

Did you have a chance to look at that supporting letter he wrote to Pullman PD for the internship there? March 2022 letter. I thought it was poor and posted about it here
Made me wonder if he felt out of his depth amongst the other TAs and staff when he arrived WSU that fuelled his resentment, insecurity and his belittling comments to so many in the department
( Big fish small pond - DeSales - starts to feel like a little fish once he got to WSU?)

 

[cottonweaver]

Quoting myself to bring the link forward.

Someone was definitely in their yard multiple times.... creepy. Was the felon stalking them, watching, learning their habits, feeding Murphy???????

And something was wrong with the door and her dad DID tighten the hinges.

One has to wonder if the felon was jimmying with their doors...

One incident was Nov 4...

It's the worst kind of horror movie. The victims unaware of the danger circling them... but there's no rewind. No walking out of the movie theater.

This didn't happen on 11/13. It was happening for months and culminated that day.

The felon had 1000 off ramps and he chose none of them.

Evil.

JMO

It really is terrifying

re the hinges
Posting the paragraph because I'd already taken a screenshot and it might save others some time

 

[cottonweaver]

I doubt they were determined to be BK's, given that Thompson stated BK had parked behind the house (aka the apt parking lot up and behind) and wouldn't have needed to go around the right side of the house.. Interviews with the friends have mentioned the frequency with which the back sliding door was used as an entrance since it wasn't usually locked/able to be locked. And there had been several males at the house just that day and the few days before: Hunter C, Hunter J, Peter E, Linden B (Patterson book, pg 59-60) according. And those are just the guys that Xana and Ethan's friends told the author about. In the released police documents, some things that DM and BF said sounded like one or both of them may have have had a male friend over on the 12th.

The cars were moved around Dec 5:

Idaho murders: Vehicles towed from Moscow crime scene being stored outside amid snow, sub-freezing temps

University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Madison Mogen, 21, were stabbed several times and killed on Nov. 13.

www.foxnews.com

Some of the first pictures were posted by Daniel Ramirez, the photographer for the U of I student newspaper The Argonaut.

This photo from an article on Nov 13, 2022 is from later in the day, after the group of survivors, siblings, and friends had all been taken to the police station to be interviewed (the yellow item in the middle of the road up by the dumpsters is one of the blankets a friend brought out to the kids while they were all sitting huddled there.

UPDATE: Four students have been confirmed dead in Moscow homicide

Update - 8:40 p.m. The four victims are confirmed to be students, MPD Capt. Tyson Berrett told the Statesman. The Argonaut has been unable to reach the MPD for an update at this time. Update - 5:30 p.m. Four individuals have been confirmed dead in Moscow Police Department’s homicide investigation…

www.uiargonaut.com

so re bolded para - no snow at all in that photo from 13th?

 

[Boxer]

Thank you for expressing my feelings so well! I share your belief in humane treatment. And like you, I want to try to understand what lay behind his actions.

It seems to me that what he endured in his teens with his visual snow and emotions was torture and explains (not excuses) a lot. I can’t imagine going through what he experienced in his teens. I’m not sure if the visual snow resolved, but I doubt the “disconnection” he described from family and others did. The linked post below contains a few of his posts to a visual snow group describing how he felt. The last one is particularly intense. He was clearly extremely troubled.

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Jul 26, 2025

Watching the Peacock documentary, and they briefly showed a post BK made in a "visual snow" group. I found graphics of them, and find them pretty telling. Looks like from 2011 when he was 17? They've probably been posted here before, but might be interesting to revisit. There are 4. There's more details in the documentary at around the 36 min. mark (Angenette Levy narrates some of his posts). Also, possible relevance, when he started to lose weight he started boxing, so may be an aspect of the blunt force trauma on Kaylee.

• LAborn

• 

I think what he experienced could have led to intense anger, thinking “Why is everyone else normal and I’m not?” As someone who became physically disabled in my old age, I sometimes look at others my age who are able to walk easily and I feel a brief flash of anger at them…it’s not fair! Of course, I don’t allow myself to wallow in that emotion because I know it’s irrational and I don’t want to feel that way about people. But for someone with mental illness, it would be easy to become consumed by that anger and want to hurt those “normal” people having such a great life.

Trying to understand the mind of BK isn’t making excuses or minimizing what he did to Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan. Trying to understand why they were murdered honors their memories IMO.

MOO The issue is, that 99% of people suffering from mental issues and social problems it causes manage without resorting to violating others. He is different than the group with similar externals.
MOO he is most aligned with disaffected males from supportive backgrounds, i.e. shopping for a KBar on your parents' couch.
It is a grievance that the images of success and desired people are everywhere but that picture is very had to acquire.

 

[citygirl]

Why would BK take Xana's Taco Bell order? He's vegetarian. Although after that type of adrenaline dump that he had just had, he could have been ravenous.

It was from an article posted above but most posters have disproven that as a photo was shown after the fact.

 

[femto]

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"Thompson said
he had no idea why Kohberger ultimately took the plea deal.
Much about Kohberger remains an enigma,
he added.

'It would always be nice to have an answer to everything,
but the reality is,
that we don't always have that luxury'."

I don't think it's that much of a mystery given what we know of him. He killed because he was a depressed wreck since his teenage years and never really found a way out of his misery. He coped with drugs for a time but he eventually gave that up and pulled himself up, but the mental damage was still there. His depression combined with his interest in serial killers and crime probably led to him believing that killing would be the only way for him to feel something. As for why he chose the victims, he probably saw Maddie or Kaylee either somewhere in Moscow or the internet, they caught his eyes, he tracked them, stalked them for a period and decided to finally enact his fantasy. I don't think he randomly stumbled on that house, that is a pretty distinctive and hard house to find unless you know what you're looking for or you're from the neighborhood or university. He also knew what he was doing and exactly where he was going so that suggests some kind of familiarity with the environment through planning since we can easily assume he has never been invited there.

 

[Tealgrove]

As bizarre, un supervised, and dangerous what you describe may seem- I’m sure there are bright people in prison who have little to occupy their minds.
I don’t know what we as a society are expecting them to do all those hours of the day, over weeks, months, years, decades. Surfing the web is not a good idea.

Can someone shed a light on what a daily routine would look like, I haven’t a clue.
I imagine them sitting in a cell reading, maybe TV at certain times, dining hall, little time outside. Some take classes- I had a friend who taught math at a prison. Maybe counseling/ chaplain.
With time moving so slowly- at some point it would be like rats in an terrarium- they would go nuts and cause a lot of problems. If a mind is smart- it is going to seek problems and problem solving all the time. A mind just can’t do nothing.

No I’m not suggesting more entertainment. I’m suggesting have them do something constructive, use their lives as best as the can rather than do little.

IMO

I am assuming that someone with BK’s notoriety, and the nature of his crimes, would be in a segregation unit.

If so, he’s not going to the dining hall. His meals would be delivered to his cell.

His only time out would be that 1 hour per day, supervised for his walkies outside in a “pen” if you will.

His days would be spent reading, watching tv, his 1 hour outside.

He might be able to take some type of online classes maybe. If he had visitors on visiting day (who would visit, but you never know), that would fill some time. Continue his video chats with mommy? Maybe chat with a chaplain?

His life will be all about that cell. No interaction with other inmates. No job to add funds to his commissary account. He won’t be given the opportunity to be productive. This is not about rehabilitation, this is all about penalization.

He’s not in solitary confinement, but pretty darn close.

Personally, I’d rather be dead than endure that type of life in perpetuity.

Long days and long nights ahead for this guy and remember, he chose this.

MOO

 

[stormymama]

RE: BK taking all his clothes home when he left Pullman with his dad.

I think he knew he wouldn't be going back or it was at least 50/50, so I think he took just enough to not make his dad suspicious. Remember during one of the traffic stops, his dad talked about how he was a doctoral student, etc. I think he left the things he could live without.

Plus, he's a dude and probably doesn't have many clothes, and what he does have, he probably wore them regularly. Both of my girls could leave their dorms/apts with nothing for winter break and still have stuff at home to wear. My nephew (whose much cooler than BK and totally not a murderous creep haha) could go home for the 6-week break with a trash bag and a backpack and it would look like his place was empty.
moo

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Stepped away briefly, apologize if this has already been posted. It features a number of people who talk about knowing x214 before the crime.

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[SortaSleuthy]

dbm

 

[Spiderplant]

Holy Freak Out.

20m.

O.M.G

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Also wanted to highlight that within this clip and my screen shot it says that Dylan and BK made eye contact.

Murphy also disappears on the night/2am of the murders for the toilet stop- B goes inside as it’s too cold, retreats to bed.

I’m afraid all of these reports around the area from June 0.13 away and of the house and woods, shadows and rustling movements, Murphy running off. I just feel they were watched. Two people described his big nose, independently.

I think he went at 2am and waited until they slept. Watching.

Like Alivea said- he needed them asleep, like a paedpophile so he didn’t get his F kicked. So he watched. And he waited. I bet he saw that food delivery go to the back door and then to the front- probably caring less if they were about to be a victim too.

I’m no longer convinced he didn’t pick up the food in a final move of arrogance and feeling proud of himself- maybe that feeling was hunger. I hope we find this out. If he ate this JITB food, I have little to no doubt that he would have broken his habits around his dietary choices given what he had just done.

It’s dangerously worrying that he may have attempted to go back inside that morning to retrieve that sheath. But thank goodness he didn’t and the girls stayed live and evidence was laying waiting.

 

[Dotta]

I am assuming that someone with BK’s notoriety, and the nature of his crimes, would be in a segregation unit.

If so, he’s not going to the dining hall. His meals would be delivered to his cell.

His only time out would be that 1 hour per day, supervised for his walkies outside in a “pen” if you will.

His days would be spent reading, watching tv, his 1 hour outside.

He might be able to take some type of online classes maybe. If he had visitors on visiting day (who would visit, but you never know), that would fill some time. Continue his video chats with mommy? Maybe chat with a chaplain?

His life will be all about that cell. No interaction with other inmates. No job to add funds to his commissary account. He won’t be given the opportunity to be productive. This is not about rehabilitation, this is all about penalization.

He’s not in solitary confinement, but pretty darn close.

Personally, I’d rather be dead than endure that type of life in perpetuity.

Long days and long nights ahead for this guy and remember, he chose this.

MOO

And, contrary,
IMO!!!
he would be somehow satisfied.

Being alone in this cell,
with all the time in the world to read or study,
not bothered by anyone,
not forced to earn his living and trying to fit socially.

Provided of course his cell will be equipped with a washbasin to revel in constant cleaning.

This prison also has vegan meals option.

What else does such a person need?

He fought for dismissal of DP.
That was his only worry IMO.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

They may not have linked him to crimes in his home county, but he was clearly already a criminal. He stole from friends and family (which went unreported), could not obey driving laws, hung out with people who either did drugs or he did (had no interest to self-protect from negative influences so poor judgment), and some of these friends even overdosed. He creeped and lingered in yards, stole and plotted in forest lines. He may not have been caught but he was a criminal.

He could not follow rules in school programs, when working on jobs he did not develop skills to be kept on, and just did not seem to have what it took in all cases. Despite being considered bright, he was not exactly excelling or keeping pace.

You do not get thrown out of programs, have to finish your studies at home, or never leave your parents house to move out and establish independence until you are 28. I think it was clear that there was something wrong and either the family could not face it or it was developing and they were not ready to address it until it was obvious. This could be the case with special needs students. Give then time to catch up mentality.

This whitewashing that we did not know or could not tell seems like he was just good at blending in, manipulation, and getting away with it. What could have been a cry for help, if "arrested" (in the true sense of the word) allowed him to test every single boundary and develop patterns. Not enough people were reporting him, paying attention to him, or invested in him.

I think this is a little bit of benign neglect, combined with someone holding back until they are ready, confident and secure enough to show who they are. JMOO

 

[cottonweaver]

Spokane chief ME - June 2023
Police and prosecution team took a Ka-bar and had asked CME to explain how it may have been used to create the injuries

 

[cottonweaver]

we'd already heard that they had done soil samples from the shovel they retrieved from his car.

Here's a list of some of the places they suspected

PS when I looked up Arboretums for the specific pollen found, U of I Botanical gardens did grow the two tree species the lab had listed. However, I presume those U of I gardens are also huge & that's another needle in the haystack problem.

Anyway, here's a more interesting document. Interview with a WSU TA who shared an office with BK and who saw his as a friend but sounds like BK was comfortable lying and manipulating him. Also noticing that BK fixated on burglary and is still wanting to discuss ' criminal decision-making' ( See his May 2022 basic Reddit questionnaire for De Sales)



This next document shows that they were able to get audio from the King Rd camera for the rest of the morning on 13 Nov. ( We've discussed on WS Murphy potentially being outside after he'd left etc)

 

[Lilibet]

MOO The issue is, that 99% of people suffering from mental issues and social problems it causes manage without resorting to violating others. He is different than the group with similar externals.
MOO he is most aligned with disaffected males from supportive backgrounds, i.e. shopping for a KBar on your parents' couch.
It is a grievance that the images of success and desired people are everywhere but that picture is very had to acquire.

I agree. I think what makes this killer different from others with similar problems is that he is what is known as a “wound (or injustice or grievance) collector.” This article describes this way of thinking very clearly IMO and contains a list of infamous wound collectors. I’m sure we can think of others currently in public life who haven’t resorted to literal, hands’ on murder, yet. JMO

On Wound Collectors

What do many mass murderers have in common? Something many see but fail to recognize in advance.

www.psychologytoday.com

For them, the world holds nothing but nastiness and it affects how they see the world and how they react to the world—suspiciously and with contempt. When irrationality, antagonism, and rigidity combine with unyielding overconfidence in their own sentiments and beliefs go unchecked or are not attenuated, these individuals become metastable—ready to ignite and explode.

 

[DizzyB]

I had a relative who we described as “built for the pandemic”. Never cared to leave the house, socialize, was happy to stay home alone with their books, internet and television. Food was delivered on the porch and left there.

I think BK may be like that. He has no need or use for people. He lives in his head, with his own set of rules that are not societal. His problem may come with prison employees who interact with him, if they try to make him conform to something he does not believe to be the right way. Other than that, this may be his dream life. I feel like he may have committed these murders like we would see a science project. He tried out theories, studied subjects, weapons, incorporated his own thoughts and feelings into some sort of blueprint. This is his grand memoir, his mark on the world.