GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[LinasK]

Also its not as exact as people assume. If one tower is "overloaded" the ping will go to the next nearest one. At least some years ago thats how it was.

A woman was actually charged with murder based on cell tower pings, took a plea, just for DNA evidence to show she was likely not the killer.

It is not a reliable science in the slightest.

Actually it is highly accurate. My husband used to work for ATT.

 

[INfisherman]

If we measured everybody by Ted B's scale
Nobody would be given DP.

Because, let's be honest,
I don't recall anybody who wreaked as much havoc as him.

JMO

RBBM

Not intending to dispute anything you posted at all, but I bet there are some out there who haven’t yet been caught & their carnage would make our jaws literally drop.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Do we know if KR ever met the student in person? I don’t know the full story of his time under her tutelage but know it’s possible he only attended her courses online.

MOO

Well Ramsland, the professor BK had, she used her nearly 20yr of communication with Dennis as part of her courses and in the HULU documentary she is featured in about Dennis who was BTK, and wouldn't surprise me if he got obsessed with him, heck even could of asked to speak to him with Ramsland. This part in another article about Ramsland is a bit telling:

"She said she taught him in four classes, including an introduction to forensic psychology and one on death investigation. She also taught him in a class on behavioral criminology and another called "Dangerous Minds: The Psychology of Anti-Social Behavior.""

"Asked about Kohberger having her "fooled," Ramsland also said: "Well, I study the ones who are really good at it because I want to really try to understand what can we see in the constellation of behaviors that will tip us off easier because people who are really good at passing as normal and keeping their dark side hidden can fool people, can fool all the experts, for a long period of time. I think anybody in my field will tell you they can be duped by a really skilful predatory type of person."

 

[ForensicPatterns]

If we measured everybody by Ted B's scale
Nobody would be given DP.

Because, let's be honest,
I don't recall anybody who wreaked as much havoc as him.

JMO

Actually there are worse like Samuel Little:

"Convicted serial killer Samuel Little claimed to have murdered 93 people between 1970 and 2005. With more than 60 murders confirmed, the FBI called him “the most prolific serial killer in U.S. history.”"

 

[INfisherman]

Well Ramsland, the professor BK had, she used her nearly 20yr of communication with Dennis as part of her courses and in the HULU documentary she is featured in about Dennis who was BTK, and wouldn't surprise me if he got obsessed with him, heck even could of asked to speak to him with Ramsland. This part in another article about Ramsland is a bit telling:

"She said she taught him in four classes, including an introduction to forensic psychology and one on death investigation. She also taught him in a class on behavioral criminology and another called "Dangerous Minds: The Psychology of Anti-Social Behavior.""

"Asked about Kohberger having her "fooled," Ramsland also said: "Well, I study the ones who are really good at it because I want to really try to understand what can we see in the constellation of behaviors that will tip us off easier because people who are really good at passing as normal and keeping their dark side hidden can fool people, can fool all the experts, for a long period of time. I think anybody in my field will tell you they can be duped by a really skilful predatory type of person."

Accoring to the article linked below, the convicted murderer in ID transferred in "as an undergraduate student who was majoring in psychology with a focus on forensics, which made Ramsland his adviser."

Bryan Kohberger's Former Professor Wonders If She 'Inspired' Him To Commit Idaho Murders

“I’m disappointed, angry, and … I’m very shocked that this is how it turned out,” Dr. Katherine Ramsland said of her former criminology student.

www.huffpost.com

This was in 2018, which was prior to the pandemic, so it’s likely she did meet him in person at some point, being his adviser & professor. I feel he probably wasn’t off the rails at that point so KR likely wouldn’t have seen any signs. It seems to me his tipping point came after he left PA - some things were likely sprouting already but the gist of it came to a head after he went out west.

MOO

 

[Arkay]

Comparing towers in Manhattan/Queens to a much less densely populated area like Gilgo Beach, which is 50 miles away, isn’t a fair comparison. View attachment 605537

But he was tracked down in Manhattan, not the sparsely populated Gilgo Beach.

I can vouch for the density of cell towers and cameras EVERYWHERE in the five boroughs. The city just put ANOTHER tower right across the street from my high-rise.

We know RH was confirmed as the killer due to the pizza box DNA, and LE tracked him down near his place of business. I feel certain that he was scrutinized on camera and through his cell, since they pounced on him in the street.

In any event, there were enough cell phone pings around Moscow to do the job of catching BK near the house on his earlier expeditions.


JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

If we measured everybody by Ted B's scale
Nobody would be given DP.

Because, let's be honest,
I don't recall anybody who wreaked as much havoc as him

If we measured everybody by Ted B's scale
Nobody would be given DP.

Because, let's be honest,
I don't recall anybody who wreaked as much havoc as him.

JMO

Purely from treatment, Dahmer.

I can still hear one victims sister screaming at him, Jeffrey I hate you!

 

[jesse]

But he was tracked down in Manhattan, not the sparsely populated Gilgo Beach.

I can vouch for the density of cell towers and cameras EVERYWHERE in the five boroughs. The city just put ANOTHER tower right across the street from my high-rise.

We know RH was confirmed as the killer due to the pizza box DNA, and LE tracked him down near his place of business. I feel certain that he was scrutinized on camera and through his cell, since they pounced on him in the street.

In any event, there were enough cell phone pings around Moscow to do the job of catching BK near the house on his earlier expeditions.


JMO

The video of them arresting him on the street, just walking and suddenly surrounding him? Gives me so much joy.

 

[iamshadow21]

I mean Bundy murdered at least 30 people and escape custody twice. That's why he was given the death penalty. Unless BK has more victims on his murder list of people he killed, that's why they don't always go for the death penalty unless you've got a high body count.

This is simply untrue.

Bundy received the death penalty for killing two women in the Chi Omega sorority house and killing Kimberly Leach, a twelve year old, in Florida.

Three people, over two events.

He was not charged cumulatively for all the crimes he was suspected of across the United States.

MOO

 

[al66pine]

Professor's Stmt. One of How Many Students Recco'ed?

Accoring to the article linked below the convicted murderer in ID transferred in "as an undergraduate student who was majoring in psychology with a focus on forensics, which made Ramsland his adviser."

Bryan Kohberger's Former Professor Wonders If She 'Inspired' Him To Commit Idaho Murders

“I’m disappointed, angry, and … I’m very shocked that this is how it turned out,” Dr. Katherine Ramsland said of her former criminology student.

www.huffpost.com

This was in 2018, which was prior to the pandemic, so it’s likely she did meet him in person at so,e point, being his adviser & professor. I feel he probably wasn’t off the rails at that point so KR likely wouldn’t have seen any signs. It seems to me his tipping point came after he left PA - some things were likely sprouting already but the gist of it came to a head after he went out west.

MOO

Thx @INfisherman for your post.
I've read that one of the murderer's prof's (was it Bolger, or Dr. Ramsland, or ?) affiliated w him in his Masters program said in her many yrs of teaching that he was the only student for whom she gave a positive recco for a Doctoral program.

What is the significance, if any? Does it show he was cream of the crop? Or not?

IF he was the only student completing his CJ Masters who was applying for Doc. programs, then prof was recco'ing 1 of 1, or endorsing 100% of those students seeking to continue edu, and who also asked for her recco.

Not gonna chase DeSales CJ Masters degree numbers to try to prove a point, because I doubt that I could nail figures for students who tried to pursue Doc. programs.

Just saying, imo it's difficult to determine significance of his prof's recco and whether it indicated he was a genius, stellar, or merely above average student.
AFAIK we haven't seen the prof's actual recco.

imo
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FWIW DeSales Master’s Student Diversity for Criminal Justice
"During the 2019-2020 academic year, there were 20 master’s degrees in criminal justice handed out to qualified students."

DeSales University MS in Criminal Justice & Corrections

Essential facts about the DeSales MS in Criminal Justice & Correctionsprogram: Average salary of grads, cost, average debt load, and more.

www.collegefactual.com

 

[SteveP]

GOOD! He wants a legacy, he wants us to forget the victim, only remember him. It's the narcissism in him that gets off on people remembering him, only talking about him, talking about his killings, the details of his murders, etc... that's why serial killers love giving interviews, like having memoirs, love when they have fans who writing them while in prison. They enjoy that kind of influence, power, and control over society, because then they get to brag in prison about it to others to earn cred so they can be feared. That's why Charles Manson was notorious for doing this, did it to John Douglas of the FBI when he went to California to talk to him. You see this played out in Netflix's "Mind Hunter".

You may have noticed, very many posters here, have stopped referring to the killer, IODC #163214, by name, or even intials. The victims will never be forgotten here, but many of us are already well on the way to forgetting what's his name. JMO

 

[Maat99]

Asked about Kohberger having her "fooled," Ramsland also said: "Well, I study the ones who are really good at it because I want to really try to understand what can we see in the constellation of behaviors that will tip us off easier because people who are really good at passing as normal and keeping their dark side hidden can fool people, can fool all the experts, for a long period of time. I think anybody in my field will tell you they can be duped by a really skilful predatory type of person."

She is definitely buttering him up in hopes of gaining access to him imo. So many people have said BK is creepy. Even if she didn’t peg him as a mass murderer, he also wasn’t “really good at passing as normal”. I wonder if we will ever hear details on the complaints from female students that got him kicked out of his high school law enforcement program?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

That makes me happy to hear. The murderer doesn't have the same odds against maximum level convicts as he did with Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. Innocent, young, sleeping (mostly) adults never expecting any violence invading their home.

Let him pull his extemporaneous speaking expertise "I know everything, you know nothing" crap on these guys and I'd say the murderer would end up on the receiving end of a good smackdown. Works for me.

He's in PC 23 hours per day, for how long or forever, I do not know. I wonder how that will affect him? Who will be there to listen to him brag about how smart, gifted and superior he is?

JMO

I’m wondering how long it will be before AT starts trying to get him transferred to PA so he can be closer to his family (read mother)?

Does AT still represent #xxx214? Or does he have to get new counsel or does he put in his own transfer request? Just wondering how that would work.

 

[Teche]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951156379147751488

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1951145235385348535

BK’s hair doesn’t look dark brown/black in this picture.

 

[Arkay]

Asked about Kohberger having her "fooled," Ramsland also said: "Well, I study the ones who are really good at it because I want to really try to understand what can we see in the constellation of behaviors that will tip us off easier because people who are really good at passing as normal and keeping their dark side hidden can fool people, can fool all the experts, for a long period of time. I think anybody in my field will tell you they can be duped by a really skilful predatory type of person."

Maybe I’m just mean, but I fail to appreciate whatever expertise she allegedly has.

If she’s an expert on noticing the signs of a predator but she didn’t recognize it in BK, then of what value is she beyond the classroom lecture hall?

We ALL could recognize his pathology post-murder. She would have been of enormous value if she’d figured him out PRIOR to the murders.

She thought she was focusing on a diamond, but he was just cubic zirconia. She apparently couldn’t distinguish between the two any more than we could.

IMO of course, but I think her expertise is in authoring books, making money and gaining some fame out of these gruesome tragedies.

Having taught BK is a bonanza for her, I fear.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

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[MeadowMuffin]

Sure.

But, mind you,
a responsible landlord ought to inspect the property at least once a month in person,
if only to check whether the house is still standing.

You know
"When a cat is away, the mice play."

Be in constant contact with tenants, ask about any problems with the property.
Or safety issues.

Repairs are landlord's duty.
Come & check everything.
It's landlord's property after all, right?

JMO

(Vide the house in Pheobe Bishop case in Australia)

ETA
Now I remember that someone from Xana's family came to fix the lock on her bedroom door.
Seriously???
Is it tenant's task to make repairs???

BBM
This has been covered several times. Here is the link to a comprehensive post by @gremlin444. Thread # 108. Post# 213

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Professor's Stmt. One of How Many Students Recco'ed?

Thx @INfisherman for your post.
I've read that one of the murderer's prof's (was it Bolger, or Dr. Ramsland, or ?) affiliated w him in his Masters program said in her many yrs of teaching that he was the only student for whom she gave a positive recco for a Doctoral program.

What is the significance, if any? Does it show he was cream of the crop? Or not?

IF he was the only student completing his CJ Masters who was applying for Doc. programs, then prof was recco'ing 1 of 1, or endorsing 100% of those students seeking to continue edu, and who also asked for her recco.

Not gonna chase DeSales CJ Masters degree numbers to try to prove a point, because I doubt that I could nail figures for students who tried to pursue Doc. programs.

Just saying, imo it's difficult to determine significance of his prof's recco and whether it indicated he was a genius, stellar, or merely above average student.
AFAIK we haven't seen the prof's actual recco.

imo
_______________________________________________
FWIW DeSales Master’s Student Diversity for Criminal Justice
"During the 2019-2020 academic year, there were 20 master’s degrees in criminal justice handed out to qualified students."

DeSales University MS in Criminal Justice & Corrections

Essential facts about the DeSales MS in Criminal Justice & Correctionsprogram: Average salary of grads, cost, average debt load, and more.

www.collegefactual.com

Most of these people were probably looking for jobs in law enforcement or may have already been in police departments, looking to move up in a department or gain specific knowledge. In my institution's undergrad criminal justice programs, most of the students plan go on to law degrees rather than academic PhDs. That might be due to our faculty having a high number of federal agents, judges, and active police officials, rather than researchers, so our grads go into law school or policing or forensic analysis. I'm thinking one reason his advisor (not KR) didn't recommend many for PhD study is that most people didn't go the academic route. But I can't say that for sure. MOO.

 

[INfisherman]

Maybe I’m just mean, but I fail to appreciate whatever expertise she allegedly has.

If she’s an expert on noticing the signs of a predator but she didn’t recognize it in BK, then of what value is she beyond the classroom lecture hall?

We ALL could recognize his pathology post-murder. She would have been of enormous value if she’d figured him out PRIOR to the murders.

She thought she was focusing on a diamond, but he was just cubic zirconia. She apparently couldn’t distinguish between the two any more than we could.

IMO of course, but I think her expertise is in authoring books and making money and some fame out of these gruesome tragedies.

Having taught BK is a bonanza for her, I fear.

JMO

Sounds like we have similar thoughts as to what may give us some pause with KR. I’m on the fence with her.

The obvious issue is this instructor had a murderer in front of her & failed to recognize/identify him. Was she that bad or he that good or was he not fully sprouted yet at that time? Is she still the right person to be instructing the future in criminal justice? Maybe her methods need tweaking. I’m not in a position to offer a definitive take on that.

What she has to gain from the convict & how it is ultimately utilized is what concerns me. I’m not so sure it’s 100% for the benefit of others in her field of expertise. Obviously, I don’t know her personally so it’s impossible for me to know if it’s a cash grab or falls more into the realms of completely geeking out of pure interest/compulsion/obsession.

I can say for sure she didn’t have a diamond nor even a cubic zirconia. She simply had a turd & tried to polish it.

MOO

 

[bajaflash]

Actually it is highly accurate. My husband used to work for ATT.

I'm sorry but this is not always the case, and there's plenty of genuine issues with the accuracy and how it's received and interpreted.