GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[Megnut]

I know it's pointless to try to figure out what he was thinking, but if he saw the door-dash driver, why would he enter the house? The delivery meant someone was awake. Did he not care? Did he not know? Or did he time it so he entered as XK went downstairs to the front door? How CLOSELY was he indeed watching?

jmopinion

He entered a house with multiple lights on and a dog! Those are the exact things we do to DISCOURAGE burglars!

I think he was satisfied the DDD drove away. Good enough for him.

We now know the DDD first went to the back but was uncomfortable going in that way, then left the food at the lower door at 3:59. Then drove away.

Prior to delivery, she saw a girl with long dark hair in a window -- no doubt XK watching for her food. It's AWFUL to think that several times XK may have thought the felon was her DDD. Then possibly seeing the real DDD driving around, walking around in search of the right address.

The incongruency is raw. The tameness of late night munchies and the terror that was approaching.

50 stab wounds, many to the face. They're NO humanity in that creature.

JMO

 

[stormymama]

He entered a house with multiple lights on and a dog! Those are the exact things we do to DISCOURAGE burglars!

I think he was satisfied the DDD drove away. Good enough for him.

We now know the DDD first went to the back but was uncomfortable going in that way, then left the food at the lower door at 3:59. Then drove away.

Prior to delivery, she saw a girl with long dark hair in a window -- no doubt XK watching for her food. It's AWFUL to think that several times XK may have thought the felon was her DDD. Then possibly seeing the real DDD driving around, walking around in search of the right address.

The incongruency is raw. The tameness of late night munchies and the terror that was approaching.

50 stab wounds, many to the face. They're NO humanity in that creature.

JMO

I also think DDD saw Xana on the second floor, not the third, like she indicated in her statements. moo

 

[Megnut]

I also think DDD saw Xana on the second floor, not the third, like she indicated in her statements. moo

Agreed. But this whole house was their home.

Murphy had free rein.

IMO nobody had shoes on.

Roommates were talking. DM. Possibly KG. XK.

Murphy would have alerted to the DDD for sure (IMO) and the food, if he was used to people food.

XK could have gone up the steps with Murphy and looked out a window from there.

But I think you're right, the DDD was going by memory, by and large quite accurate but getting a window wrong by one floor, totally reasonable.

Chilling now close she came to a mass murderer without even knowing it. We are NEVER as safe as we think we are.

Armed? Loaded gun under the pillow? Mace in your actual hand? Useless if an armed intruder is atop you before you can even awaken. Useless if it's the one night you forgot to lock the door. Useless in the face of an ambush.

I find it beyond repulsive that the inmate has the nerve to whine about his sleeping conditions. What about MM, KG, XK, EC (an invited guest), DM, BF and even Murphy's right to go to bed at night in their own beds in their own home and wake up in the morning, at whatever time suits them.

He earned his life sentences. Prison isn't posh. I don't care if he has to sleep with the lights on.

He made the dark scarier for all of us.

JMO

 

[wendy44]

Also, if the DoorDash driver explained they had to mill around for 15 minutes in order to find the house, this explains why Xana might have decided she wanted to warm up her food in the middle of it.

This is what I lean toward. Xana picked up her food at the front door, went to her room to eat and watch TikTok and then BK entered the house. She went to the kitchen when he was upstairs to warm up her food (found on top of the microwave) because it was cold after taking so long to be delivered. She heard the commotion upstairs and went up there to see what was going on.
JMO

 

[Dexter12]

Things we don't know.

What time XK retrieved her DD food. And by what route.

If she was hoping to have it delivered to the slider but it was delivered instead to the front door, did she go down the stairs to the front door or go out and around through the slider?

Could she have been on the couch eating her food and neither hear nor see him enter?

Regardless, she had time to start eating (LE knows what she ordered and knows how much remained) and returned to the kitchen to put her remnants the there. And that is when she encountered the open slider-- perhaps not entirely alarming, thinking maybe someone let Murphy out --

But then she must have heard DM call out to KG as well as the noise from above.

Is there a crime scene photo showing a rogue boot?

I think XK and KG were in sleepwear and barefoot, I think the felon was the only one on the staircase and it's he whom DM heard. Maybe with Murphy who would have had reasons to explore. JITB ... and an intruder...

However, I do think it's possible -- that XK slipped on whatever shoes were available, if she went outside to retrieve her food -- and kicked them off, perhaps when he chased her to her room.

Alongside the backyard footprints he left were smaller ones. Maybe from XP going around to the other door, to get her JITB. But also they could've been from two hours earlier when DM and MM were outside with Murphy.

There's someone here. Who said it and to whom? Scary to think it could have been KG or XK saying it to one to the other, with him somehow hiding in the shadows, mere seconds before the violence started.

There's someone here. Not shocking. DDD had been there, DM had had a friend over (until 1, I think), EC was there, KG was back. Lots of people there, not there, back again. Next on the list is not mass murderer, no one jumps to that.

It could be why/when KG moved from her own bed into MM's.

Timeline update, from GH's video upthread --

2 am, MM, KG, DM, BF and Murphy are in KG's room. Selfies. Calls to the bf. Then KG decided to get ready for bed, presumably her own bed. While BF goes to her own room, and together, MM and DM take Murphy out (when Murphy is briefly lost). When MM goes to bed herself, it seems likely that she was in her bed and KG was in her own.

I think KG moved into MM's bed after Murphy responded to events (whether it was the DD or PhD-Dr. Death's arrival) and was awake when he entered MM's room.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

In the most recent ISP photo dump, there is a crime scene photo (113) with one doc marten boot in the living room, kind of in the middle of the room. In the same photo dump, photo 111 shows that boot's mate on it's side on the floor right next to the left end of the couch:

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I don't any other shoes in the living room, and no shoes at all on the 3rd floor stairs or the hall to xana's room.

IMHO, the problem with the idea of Xana having put on boots/shoes to go get her food, and that was what made the clompy shoe noise on the stairs that DM thought she heard.....is that Xana was found without any pants on. She was wearing a sweatshirt and thong undies and that is all.

Even with boots on, Xana's not going outside via the backdoor and around to the front to grab her food wearing a sweatshirt and thong underwear on a cold Nov night in Idaho.

Sure, there is a small chance she had on very baggie sweatpants, slid into some docs to go outside to get food.....but in order to be found as she was (wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies), we'd have to believe something like this happened:

--grab food from outside, walk back around to patio door go back to her room
--slip off her sweatpants, and leave the boots on....
--leave her room and then go up the 3rd floor steps to see what is going on
--immediately be chased down the stairs
--kicks off both her boots in the living room while running
--attacked and murdered
--found in room wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies

And I don't see her taking off sweats/bottoms in her room after removing boots...deciding to leave her room to go to kitchen or up to the 3rd floor and putting on boots just to do that.

I think the likeliest and simplest solution is that what DM thought was boots was either BK (heavier body, doesn't matter what shoes he was wearing), or the sounds of Xana and BK running down the stairs and past her room, IMHO.

I am, however, curious as to why ONE boot was in the middle of the floor. How does it make any sense at all? If there other boot was on the end of the couch near where DM ran through the door, I could see her kicking it to that place, but it's not. It's at the far end of the couch.

I like the screen shots from the Law and Crime video because we know nothing was moved at that point. So many things were already moved in the photo dump, it's hard to tell where things were originally. (the black backpack was moved in different places in several photos)

As to the noise, anyone running down uncarpeted stairs makes a heck of a thumping noise, shoes or not. And as for Xana's clothing, how long was the sweatshirt? If it was no shorter than a normal short skirt, shoes and go get the food are totally possible. I had this one shirt that completely covered my short shorts back in the day. Fully clothed when I answered the door, but I didn't look like it. And I have put on shoes with a long sweatshirt and no pants and gone out to my front porch to get something. Just saying it's possible.

But that one boot in the middle of the floor? Really odd to me.

 

[Gemmie]

He entered a house with multiple lights on and a dog! Those are the exact things we do to DISCOURAGE burglars!

I think he was satisfied the DDD drove away. Good enough for him.

But both of the above means people are AWAKE in the house. What in the world possessed him to enter fully knowing people were awake? I ask because I don't think this was his first trip to the house where he had all he needed to do what he was eventually going to do, yet chickened out for whatever reason. Why this night?

JMO.

 

[stormymama]

As a mom to college-aged kids, the lone Doc Marten in the middle of the floor does not strike me as odd at all.
What are we thinking about the shoe? If Xana did put on shoes to get her food, it’s very possible she kicked one off in one place and the other somewhere else. (If she’s anything like my kids who sometimes forget all the home-training I gave them) moo

Edited to change “good” to “food”

 

[Megnut]

But both of the above means people are AWAKE in the house. What in the world possessed him to enter fully knowing people were awake? I ask because I don't think this was his first trip to the house where he had all he needed to do what he was eventually going to do, yet chickened out for whatever reason. Why this night?

JMO.

1. I think HE thought he was THAT capable. Prepared to slaughter whatever he encountered?

2. I think he was running out of time. And not even that he was basically on PhD probation and feared being fired but I think he thought that they were all wrong and stupid -- and would be leaving on his own terms (all of which were in his head).

3. Weather was changing. Snow would be bad. Footprints. As it was, there was snow in the shaded areas and he did leave footprints anyway. I think he didn't want to deal with a snowfall.

4. I wonder whether any of his phoneless visits were failed missions. We know of one time that the roommates came home, the door was open and Murphy was lost. Coincidence? I doubt it. Surveillance? Likely.

5. He's just blinded by his assumed genius. 2022, had he never heard of security cameras? CAST capabilities?

JMO

 

[Megnut]

For those who think he wouldn't have been arrested had he not left the sheath, crimes have been solved for ages without (prior to) DNA analysis.

LE still had an eyewitness in DM. A timeline, well corroborated. An Elantra, within a year range.

Without the promise of DNA, LE would have appealed to the public. Would have offered a profile. Pretty sure @10ofRods long predicted someone just like the felon proved to be.

I think students and faculty at WSU would have tipped him in plenty if LE made direct appeals. Changes in habits. Changes in appearance. Changes in attendance. Injuries. Elantra. Height, build, maybe even brybrows, depending on the level of help LE felt they needed.

Would it have been enough to convict? I think so. Because eventually they'd have gotten into his computers, his background, his Google searches, his Amazon purchases.

The only question, whether they would have gotten to him before he struck again.

JMO

 

[Dexter12]

Video is really really disturbing with this degree of audio clarity.

MOO There's a sound before Murphy starts actively barking. I wonder if the felon shoved or kicked him. MOO

He thinks the female voice says, "who are you? Get out." But he admits it's all but impossible to be sure. Still, it's chilling.

GH has him entering that house possibly closer to 4:15. It fits with what we've learned IMO.

Fast, fast terror of destruction.

IMO, there is no way he could have been in and out in 5 min.

 

[Gemmie]

IMO, there is no way he could have been in and out in 5 min.

I tend to agree with you. He did a lot of stabbing and bludgeoning while he was there. It's just so hard to imagine all that he inflicted in just 5 minutes.

 

[PinkButtercup]

IMO, there is no way he could have been in and out in 5 min.

In reports released by Idaho PD (sorry, I can't access them from my country), and in interviews, detectives said they carried out timed run throughs and think it could have taken somewhere between 2 and 4 minutes -


"One week after the murders, investigators returned to the King Road home to conduct "timed runs through the residence," according to a report from Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson.

"The purpose of the timed runs was to gain an understanding of the approximate time needed to have carried out the murders," Gilbertson's report said. Moscow police lead detective Brett Payne tracked the time, and a state police detective "walked through the residence with me calling out the number of strikes to simulate the number of wounds to each victim, based on autopsy reports," Gilbertson wrote.

Gilbertson said he "conducted two timed runs, the first being a quick as possible run and the second a slower, deliberate timed run" during which he was quiet and more "methodical."

"The timed runs revealed that it was possible for Kohberger to have carried out the murders in as few as two minutes and six seconds, going at a fast pace on the shortest route to the vehicle, or as much as three minutes and forty-five seconds, going at a slower pace on the longer route to the vehicle," the report said.

Idaho Murders: New details revealed

 

[squareandrabbet]

As a mom to college-aged kids, the lone Doc Marten in the middle of the floor does not strike me as odd at all.
What are we thinking about the shoe? If Xana did put on shoes to get her food, it’s very possible she kicked one off in one place and the other somewhere else. (If she’s anything like my kids who sometimes forget all the home-training I gave them) moo

Edited to change “good” to “food”

Maybe she was still wearing both of them inside and one of them flew off in her desperate race to escape.

Lots of young girls wouldn't bother to lace them up if they were just putting them on to meet a delivery.

 

[Gemmie]

Maybe she was still wearing both of them inside and one of them flew off in her desperate race to escape.

Lots of young girls wouldn't bother to lace them up if they were just putting them on to meet a delivery.

I can't see her bothering to put shoes on just to pick up a food order. It's not like they leave your order at the sidewalk, so you'd have to walk across the driveway... They put your order right at your front door, usually as close to it as they can. All she'd have to do is open the door and grab it, all without even needing to step outside. So shoes not necessary IMO.

 

[Megnut]

I can't see her bothering to put shoes on just to pick up a food order. It's not like they leave your order at the sidewalk, so you'd have to walk across the driveway... They put your order right at your front door, usually as close to it as they can. All she'd have to do is open the door and grab it, all without even needing to step outside. So shoes not necessary IMO.

I think the thought is that she could have gone out by way of the slider, ran stem arrive to the front door and then ran back up and in. There were smaller footprints in the snow....

Of course those prints could have been from MM or DM when they were outside with Murphy.

Also if those are KG's boots (was she wearing them at the food truck?), she could have kicked them off there, once she arrived at home.

All so sad to see their home, frozen in time. Who thinks when they toss their boots aside, it'll be the last time?

So unfair.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

I think the thought is that she could have gone out by way of the slider, ran stem arrive to the front door and then ran back up and in. There were smaller footprints in the snow....

Of course those prints could have been from MM or DM when they were outside with Murphy.

Also if those are KG's boots (was she wearing them at the food truck?), she could have kicked them off there, once she arrived at home.

All so sad to see their home, frozen in time. Who thinks when they toss their boots aside, it'll be the last time?

So unfair.

JMO

M00 someone kicked them off once they got home for the evening. And yes, there they sit froze in time.

 

[Arkay]

All so sad to see their home, frozen in time. Who thinks when they toss their boots aside, it'll be the last time?

Yes, all of it.

Last time to kick off their boots, last time to order in a meal, last time to play with the dog, last time to giggle with their friends, last time to go to bed, last time for everything.

The only relief, small consolation though it be, is that for the prisoner, he’s had his last times, too.

Last time to go where he wants, last time to drive his car, last time to choose when and what to eat, last time for sleeping in a quiet space, etcetera etcetera.

Not that it makes it even. It never will.

JMO

 

[hooziewhutz]

Also, if the DoorDash driver explained they had to mill around for 15 minutes in order to find the house, this explains why Xana might have decided she wanted to warm up her food in the middle of it.

I like your theory about the microwave, especially after 15 minutes in below-freezing weather. Although I don't remember how much of the milling was on foot vs in vehicle. Does anyone reading this know?

When I've done this kind of "gig work", it was customary (and sometimes demanded/pressured by the app) to communicate with the recipient when the driver or whomever is lost. Not to mention frustrating as all get up when you can't find the place lol. Personally, I'd be all over that phone, texting or calling the customer trying to figure out where to go. And at 4am? Psh. I wonder if such a thing happened. Xana must have been a patient gal. I don't know about Door Dash, but some other apps/companies allow both parties to view the driver's location when nearby. imo

 

[Gemmie]

I like your theory about the microwave, especially after 15 minutes in below-freezing weather. Although I don't remember how much of the milling was on foot vs in vehicle. Does anyone reading this know?

I don't believe the DDD was carrying the bag around, or was she? I think she was walking around trying to locate the house, and then would take the food out of the insulated hot bag to the porch once she found the address. That's how I'd do it. I wouldn't be carrying the order around when I had no idea where I was delivering it to.