GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[pittsburghgirl]

When Bryan was first given the plea deal, quite a few posters here argued that it was for the best, since "there was a possibility he wouldn't get found guilty."

I knew there was no way this loser didn't leave a trail a mile long. IMO the judge and/or prosecutors dropped the ball on this.

There is always a chance that an accused person will be found not guilty or that there will be a hung jury. What you post here are the aggravating factors pointing to the death penalty, which have nothing to do with whether to seek consecutive life without parole with no appeals. All of these factors would have to be proved in court AFTER the guilt phase of the trial.

In general, getting a mass killer off the street for life should be the goal. BK confessed. He can't petition for a new trial based on his innocence, as Scott Peterson is doing. Finding a man guilty in a trial and sentencing him to death just means the appeals will start and he'll continue to claim he's innocent. That means the survivors and families deal with the killer for decades.

The prosecution did the absolutely right thing for the people of Idaho (whom they represent), the survivors, and (whether they agree or not), the families. Let this monster in a human suit rot in prison for as many years as he manages to stay alive.

Edited to add: And the inmate's confession was not the result of back-room interrogation but after years of zealous representation and interaction with the court, and agreeing that his confession was voluntary and not coerced. So he can't come back and plead that he wasn't advised of his rights or abused.

 

[Megnut]

I was born and raised in PA and I can tell you that they do have driving laws lol.

You know I know that. And you know who else knows that? The felon. Presumably he got his driver's license in Pennsylvania, after passing the written and practical tests.

Feigning ignorance to prolonged a conversation (which isn't much of a conversation when it's monopolized by one) is neither as charming or as effective as that same one seems to think it is.

But then, he cut his teeth on three-hour monversations. Probably never could quite understand why the new people around him didn't accommodate him likewise.

He may write a book after all.

On the misunderstood art of influencing no one creeping out everyone. With an entire annotated index, citing self.

JMO

 

[Gators North]

You know I know that. And you know who else knows that? The felon. Presumably he got his driver's license in Pennsylvania, after passing the written and practical tests.

Feigning ignorance to prolonged a conversation (which isn't much of a conversation when it's monopolized by one) is neither as charming or as effective as that same one seems to think it is.

But then, he cut his teeth on three-hour monversations. Probably never could quite understand why the new people around him didn't accommodate him likewise.

He may write a book after all.

On the misunderstood art of influencing no one creeping out everyone. With an entire annotated index, citing self.

JMO

I like “monversations!”

 

[Megnut]

There is always a chance that an accused person will be found not guilty or that there will be a hung jury. What you post here are the aggravating factors pointing to the death penalty, which have nothing to do with whether to see consecutive life without parole with no appeals. All of these factors would have to be proved in court AFTER the guilt phase of the trial.

In general, getting a mass killer off the street for life should be the goal. BK confessed. He can't petition for a new trial based on his innocence, as Scott Peterson is doing. Finding a man guilty in a trial and sentencing him to death just means the appeals will start and he'll continue to claim he's innocent. That means the survivors and families deal with the killer for decades.

The prosecution did the absolutely right thing for the people of Idaho (whom they represent), the survivors, and (whether they agree or not), the families. Let this monster in a human suit rot in prison for as many years as he manages to stay alive.

RBBM

In a human suit.

That really says it all.

An imposter but not really even that. TedBundy was one. BTK another. Successful enough at peopling to hide in plain sight. In another realm, he would be the passive researcher. The JaneGoodall, keenly studying the animal population, except they're humans. And he's tasked with recording their movements, distinct from his.

Honestly it's like he thinks there is him, and then the world (the 8 billion people who BTW have DNA different than his) revolves around him and only as he directs them to.

Psychopaths. Human specimens.

There is of course a place for studying human beings. Human beings and how they act, react, interact (oh, I don't know, like in a PhD program), but they isn't how or who HE did it.

He wanted to uncover his own rationale IMO, for how and why HE did the things he did. How HE selected his victim(s), how he pre-mapped his crime (I'll be he felt it was easy, too easy, so easy it made him feel justified and haughty both), and how it would unfold in the field, as it were.

So clever, he must have thought himself, to bury his murder weapon purchase with a gift card, to scrub his histories, to employ transfer abatement, to relocate his kill kit (assuming he did), delicious counter measures. How proud of himself he must have been. Thumbs up all day.

Angers me that he had opportunities and resources few people get and rather than doing the hard work to excel in his field, he blew up destroying four innocent victims for his own personal enjoyment.

Human suit.

Devoid of any real humanity.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

This is NOT a vegan restaurant or vegan-friendly even vegetarian friendly town. At one point, they had one single item listed. There's been chaos and misinformation about this restaurant for quite a while. They went out of business shortly after the murders. I am local and have eaten at the restaurant, it was decent, later inconsistent and struggled. JMOO

yeah I looked it up and saw that it had permanently closed - based on reviews left before the murders, I think they were headed that way already

 

[Warwick7]

In the photo dump of his apartment, there are also receipts from Marshalls in the Palouse mall from August and September 2022, which is approximately a little less than 2 miles from the King Road address.

Just an observation.

It appears that he bought some hair color on August 31, 2022?

MOO

Someone said it looked like he colored his hair.

 

[LadyL]

Someone said it looked like he colored his hair.

I did and others as well.

 

[Megnut]

Someone said it looked like he colored his hair.

Hmmmm

For vanity?

Or in case he lost a hair at a the crime scene. A dyed one would confuse LE, he might reason)

I wish he'd kept his checklist somewhere where LE could find it. MOO he had one.

JMO

 

[Serononin]

There is always a chance that an accused person will be found not guilty or that there will be a hung jury. What you post here are the aggravating factors pointing to the death penalty, which have nothing to do with whether to seek consecutive life without parole with no appeals. All of these factors would have to be proved in court AFTER the guilt phase of the trial.

In general, getting a mass killer off the street for life should be the goal. BK confessed. He can't petition for a new trial based on his innocence, as Scott Peterson is doing. Finding a man guilty in a trial and sentencing him to death just means the appeals will start and he'll continue to claim he's innocent. That means the survivors and families deal with the killer for decades.

The prosecution did the absolutely right thing for the people of Idaho (whom they represent), the survivors, and (whether they agree or not), the families. Let this monster in a human suit rot in prison for as many years as he manages to stay alive.

Edited to add: And the inmate's confession was not the result of back-room interrogation but after years of zealous representation and interaction with the court, and agreeing that his confession was voluntary and not coerced. So he can't come back and plead that he wasn't advised of his rights or abused.

If there's anything I've learned from following cases on this site, it's that you can never be totally sure what a jury is going to do

 

[Ghostwheel]

And to her defense, maybe there was no electronic link. He may have paid cash, for instance. So truth, as far as she knew, there was no record of him --

And the sad reality, if he asked a waitress out, in his signature style or waited in the lot and solicited work schedules and home addresses, he may have been barely memorable, outside the ick factor. Lot of foot traffic in a place like that.

IMO there's a 0% chance he didn't show up there, and ordering vegan pizza? That fits.

JMO

Is there no place else anywhere in Moscow or Pullman that has vegan pizza? Real question. Mad Greek cannot be the only place that has it, so why assume he HAD to have been there? Just because Maddie and Xana worked there? He could have seen either or (Kaylee) other places. Waitress says he was, owner says he wasn't. To me that cancels to maybe, maybe not.

Eta: I always wonder because, once again, I have seen oh so many people claim something that wasn't true to get paid as a "source" or get their 10 minutes of fame.

 

[Megnut]

Is there no place else anywhere in Moscow or Pullman that has vegan pizza? Real question. Mad Greek cannot be the only place that has it, so why assume he HAD to have been there? Just because Maddie and Xana worked there? He could have seen either or (Kaylee) other places. Waitress says he was, owner says he wasn't. To me that cancels to maybe, maybe not.

His freezer attests to vegan pizza.

One upon a time, a Google search for "vegan restaurant near Moscow/Pullman" provided the Mad Greek as a top option. It's ready for me to imagine the felon doing that, once he landed in WA (if not sooner).

I can think of a lot of reasons why a restaurant owner/manager would want to put A LOT of distance between their establishment and the murderer, especially the murderer of two of their own waitresses.

He may have paid cash or used gift cards, leaving no paper trail for the restaurant.

Two Mad Greek waitresses are dead. That mashed the Mad Greek a possible nexus. Absolute? No. But possible.

If he interacted with either of the two, it might have seemed so insignificant to them at the time that, if they told anyone, they told each other, a secret taken to the grave.

He used VPNs, incognito windows and scrubber so, if it was ever there, whatever means drew him into the area of 1122 King Road in the first place may have been wholly erased.

IMO he was actively working to minimize his retrieval footprint. But something as a traffic stop that ties him to that neighborhood at a time when he had no good reason to be there is just the kind of thing that could have tripped him up relative to the Mad Greek. Getting take out at a certain time, refueling at another, with no explanation for the interim, would go it for me. It's just extremely likely he did everything in his power not to create linkage. Or at least confound it.

JMO

 

[stormymama]

So clever, he must have thought himself, to bury his murder weapon purchase with a gift card, to scrub his histories, to employ transfer abatement, to relocate his kill kit (assuming he did), delicious counter measures. How proud of himself he must have been. Thumbs up all day.

Angers me that he had opportunities and resources few people get and rather than doing the hard work to excel in his field, he blew up destroying four innocent victims for his own personal enjoyment.

Human suit.

Devoid of any real humanity.

JMO

RSBM

This, along with his belief that police officers are “under qualified,” and his arrogance allowed him to do “just enough” to make himself think he wouldn’t be caught. Well, Bryern, you got caught!

It also angers me that he basically had it made in the shade, a modest apartment, spending money, a good job (while many students have to go into debt even with jobs) and he got his jollies from murder. Actually everything about him makes me angry.

Moo

 

[nrdsb4]

There is always a chance that an accused person will be found not guilty or that there will be a hung jury. What you post here are the aggravating factors pointing to the death penalty, which have nothing to do with whether to seek consecutive life without parole with no appeals. All of these factors would have to be proved in court AFTER the guilt phase of the trial.

In general, getting a mass killer off the street for life should be the goal. BK confessed. He can't petition for a new trial based on his innocence, as Scott Peterson is doing. Finding a man guilty in a trial and sentencing him to death just means the appeals will start and he'll continue to claim he's innocent. That means the survivors and families deal with the killer for decades.

The prosecution did the absolutely right thing for the people of Idaho (whom they represent), the survivors, and (whether they agree or not), the families. Let this monster in a human suit rot in prison for as many years as he manages to stay alive.

Edited to add: And the inmate's confession was not the result of back-room interrogation but after years of zealous representation and interaction with the court, and agreeing that his confession was voluntary and not coerced. So he can't come back and plead that he wasn't advised of his rights or abused.

Yes, the judge asked him numerous questions about whether he understood the charges, understood the ramifications of his plea change, whether or not he had been coerced to plead guilty or offered any kind of compensation for his plea, whether or not his attorneys had explained things properly, whether or not he was satisfied with their representation, etc. Judge asked him if he was pleading guilty because he WAS guilty. I think this line of questioning was to reduce the chance of later appeals based on ineffective assistance of counsel, etc.

 

[LinasK]

Yes, the judge asked him numerous questions about whether he understood the charges, understood the ramifications of his plea change, whether or not he had been coerced to plead guilty or offered any kind of compensation for his plea, whether or not his attorneys had explained things properly, whether or not he was satisfied with their representation, etc. Judge asked him if he was pleading guilty because he WAS guilty. I think this line of questioning was to reduce the chance of later appeals based on ineffective assistance of counsel, etc.

And let's not forget that it was his team who offered the plea deal, not the prosecution. He knew that he was screwed.

 

[Arkay]

View attachment 612045

I am VERY curious about the date this was submitted.

For Topic 2, BK asserts that "local police officers are undertrained" specifically in relation to digital evidence.

Given that we know BK used VPNs and software specific for wiping his devices, he disabled his device during the time of the murders, apparently (and I am speculating) used an android device which does not backup to a cloud, BK considered himself well versed in what LE could use for digital evidence.

IMO a complete narcissistic psychopath.

As I've looked through the photographs taken by ISP of the coursework papers, I would love to hear the thoughts and impressions of the investigators that found and documented this evidence.

JMO

In the latter half here, he writes “technology has inevitably become a fruitful source of inculpatory and exculpatory criminal evidence.”

Yet he orders a K-Bar from Amazon.

Dumbest man in the room.

IMO

 

[Teche]

like mods requested yesterday, here is the link to that document dump:

https://idahostatepolice.justfoia.com/Attachments/Download/6c256800-8a5c-4001-9195-558c6aeda2c7

Those documents in your post are referring to two different things--the grad student apartment complex, Steptoe Village in Pullman, has it's own storage lockers down by the laundry rooms inside the buildings, and each unit is assigned one.

The most recent ISP photo dump is all the photos related to the search of his apartment, the storage unit INSIDE the apartment building, and his office at Pullman.

The second document there about a storage unit in Colfax is entirely different. The document 130 above states they could not find any connection there to BK having rented a unit through that facility. The officers who went and investigated that unit are different officers than the ones listed in the first part you quoted above, which is from document 129.

Here is a link to the what looks like the original access we got to the search warrants/applications for the graduate student apartment unit, the storage unit inside the apartment building, and the inventory of what they took for evidence.

https://interactive.wnep.com/pdfs/Search-Warrant-and-Trespass_Redacted.pdf

Tons of reddish-brown stains on items.

 

[Megnut]

In the latter half here, he writes “technology has inevitably become a fruitful source of inculpatory and exculpatory criminal evidence.”

Yet he orders a K-Bar from Amazon.

Dumbest man in the room.

IMO

He's the smartest man in the room he's currently in.

Pretty dumb.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

His freezer attests to vegan pizza.

One upon a time, a Google search for "vegan restaurant near Moscow/Pullman" provided the Mad Greek as a top option. It's ready for me to imagine the felon doing that, once he landed in WA (if not sooner).

I can think of a lot of reasons why a restaurant owner/manager would want to put A LOT of distance between their establishment and the murderer, especially the murderer of two of their own waitresses.

He may have paid cash or used gift cards, leaving no paper trail for the restaurant.

Two Mad Greek waitresses are dead. That mashed the Mad Greek a possible nexus. Absolute? No. But possible.

If he interacted with either of the two, it might have seemed so insignificant to them at the time that, if they told anyone, they told each other, a secret taken to the grave.

He used VPNs, incognito windows and scrubber so, if it was ever there, whatever means drew him into the area of 1122 King Road in the first place may have been wholly erased.

IMO he was actively working to minimize his retrieval footprint. But something as a traffic stop that ties him to that neighborhood at a time when he had no good reason to be there is just the kind of thing that could have tripped him up relative to the Mad Greek. Getting take out at a certain time, refueling at another, with no explanation for the interim, would go it for me. It's just extremely likely he did everything in his power not to create linkage. Or at least confound it.

JMO

As a thought, why would someone new to Pullman, which has always had superior vegan options including pizza, look up vegan pizza in Moscow, though?

If I reverse engineer it, where he already had a target, and then went to Moscow for vegan pizza, it works perfectly. No doubt there. Since a whole lot of people were looking up Mad Greek, it would be at the top of the Google list when any of us were looking it up, in any case.

I'm always wondering. In my mind, I find it just as likely he found his target from the pool party by media links, or from the Corner Club, or from a late night encounter at a grocery store when someone was on a beer run.

But it sure would be interesting if any of the rest of the staff of Mad Greek who agreed to stay quiet and honored their commitment also believed BK was ever there. I wonder if that might be in any document anywhere.....

 

[Megnut]

As a thought, why would someone new to Pullman, which has always had superior vegan options including pizza, look up vegan pizza in Moscow, though?

If I reverse engineer it, where he already had a target, and then went to Moscow for vegan pizza, it works perfectly. No doubt there. Since a whole lot of people were looking up Mad Greek, it would be at the top of the Google list when any of us were looking it up, in any case.

I'm always wondering. In my mind, I find it just as likely he found his target from the pool party by media links, or from the Corner Club, or from a late night encounter at a grocery store when someone was on a beer run.

But it sure would be interesting if any of the rest of the staff of Mad Greek who agreed to stay quiet and honored their commitment also believed BK was ever there. I wonder if that might be in any document anywhere.....

I agree completely. So many possibilities. Something drew him to that house. I don't know what but I'm certain it wasn't happenstance.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

18m

Continuing to fine-tune his walk-through model