GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[pittsburghgirl]

I never caught before BK turned his wifi 2 days before the murder.

Thanks, Warwick7. I'm glad you reposted this--and thanks for doing that on the last thread. This is a fascinating interview. One thing I learned is that the simple device of turning off the phone before committing a crime is evidence in itself, first because that is not the killer's usual pattern, and second because it's part of a number of other actions preparing for the crime. The Cellebrite experts also made me wonder even about the value of leaving the phone behind, if that also in not usual for the killer. I hope everyone watches this video. The Cellebrite experts show so much evidence that would have come out at trial.

And thanks also, MassGuy, for posting all the WSU documents. We're getting a much fuller picture on how aberrant this guy really is between his bizarre behavior toward women at WSU and his controlling and dependent behavior in his relationship with his mother. Inmate hated and wanted to control women; I love to hear a top psychologist consider his insistence on speaking to his mother on demand in terms of control of her and dependency on her. It's likely that his parents hoped that going to grad school in Washington was the launch into adulthood that they hoped for. But the phone calls must have shown them he would never actually launch. No wonder the dad flew out to escort him back--he wouldn't have been able to spend hours every day talking to his mother if they were on the road.

 

[Warwick7]

DM thought it was KG going up the steps. It wasn’t.
DM thought it was KG crying in the bathroom. It wasn’t.
DM though KG was running down the stairs. It wasn’t.
DM thought the man used Kaylee's name. He didn't. M00

 

[Inthedetails]

Busted! Former addicts do not typically drink, have green leafy substances when arrested, and so I am going to say he was using the moment he got to the area. Not clean and sober. Got away from the family, back into habits, out of control. JMOO

Geez, I actually forget he was an addict.
Makes the comment about wondering why people drink all the more curious.

In his case, I'm thinking he wanted to try the experience of it - not thinking at all about how others would feel about him drinking a bottle, but wanting for HIMSELF to know what it was like. But, he's a herion addict, so yeah, that's odd.

Did he go straight to herion as a teenager and skip experimenting with alcohol? Was he wondering why people would drink when they could shoot up for a stronger experience?

jmo

 

[Arkay]

Low-budget film - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IMO only—-

The family dynamics must have been extremely trying for BK’s family. For 27 long years, it seems they did all they could to help him through his OCD, his lack of friends, his autism if true, his heroin habit, his fluctuating weight, his failures at so much, such as flunking out as a wanna-be cop, etc.

Then he was 28, far away, they didn’t know he would kill, they just wanted him to fit in.

The above link and excerpt goes along with my opinion that the sister with the horror film is not really so unusual.

Maybe because this is NYC, but I know quite a few people who decided they were filmmakers. A low-budget horror film is easy. Your friends or family members are the actors, and they mostly just have to scream authentically even if they cannot act. IIRC, Spielberg also made a little film at home first, and these aspirational filmmakers think they’ll be the next big thing.

Of course most of the movies are crap and go nowhere, but here is my point:

I don’t consider the sister with the horror film to be weird. She’s grown up and has a profession. To our knowledge she has committed no crimes.

Did a horror film involving his sister affect BK’s desire to kill? None of us know, but IMO you’d have to be predisposed to violence anyway, because mostly these films are simply vanity projects of one’s youth.

I know many think his sister’s foray into horror films did impact him, but I don’t want her to take the blame for something that I believe never crossed her mind.

All just my opinion. Oh, also, one of my friend’s sons actually did act in a low-budget film that made it into a film festival, which encourages many people to think they’ll be stars.

 

[Helechawagirl]

My spicy sense is telling me these crime scene photos were heavily redacted! They don’t match up with the descriptions. One of the LE said that there was a blanket covering Ethan’s midsection. When he said this, his body language noticeably changed. And I believe they said he was partially off the bed.

I almost think the intentional release of these “altered” photos is an attempt to prevent the details from becoming public knowledge. I also think that’s why they pushed the the plea deal so hard. They did not want those photos and details revealed on public—and likely didn’t want the circus of a trial and definitely not the video footage of a firing squad death.

We hear descriptions of “so much blood” but only specs are seen.

Interesting detail—his phone had only 18 contacts and the contacts were listed as Mother, Father..which is how he addressed them. He also spoke with his mother every day—and spent 3 hrs on the phone with his mom the morning after the murder.

 

[Warwick7]

omg!
All that blood cast off in the living room!!

 

[cottonweaver]

I never caught before BK turned his wifi off 2 days before the murder.

This really does sound like the link the Cellebrite guy is describing ( at 22.30 mins)
At the A-Z is Harvey Glatman ' glamour girl slayer/ lonely hearts killer. ' One of the SKs he was interested in ( at 2mins 30)

Just clicked on Glatman's name. Graphic but worth a skim - read

Serial Killer Timelines

 

[gremlin444]

Just started the ISP documents. Interesting how opinions go back and forth between different friend's (and even past roommate's) accounts as to how frequently the back door vs the front door was used at that house.

But one thing from supplement #0015 (starts on page 48) in an interview with the girl who still had her name on the lease but had decided not to move back into the house for the school year (she had graduated in May):

from item 27

"Sgt. Hoxie asked why she thought someone would want to harm her friends. She thought it was someone who was watching. She was always afraid of that. She always had an uneasy, weird feeling at the house, which is one of the reasons she didn't want to go back. She felt the house was easy to get into and easy to watch because they didn't have any blinds over the windows and layout of the house. REDACTED had told REDACTED the sliding glass door was broken at one point. If the door was jiggled just right, the door would unlock."

In the crime scene photo of the open sliding door, the latch and the handle knob were in the locked position, FWIW.

 

[Dotta]

"Sgt. Hoxie asked why she thought someone would want to harm her friends. She thought it was someone who was watching. She was always afraid of that. She always had an uneasy, weird feeling at the house, which is one of the reasons she didn't want to go back. She felt the house was easy to get into and easy to watch because they didn't have any blinds over the windows and layout of the house. REDACTED had told REDACTED the sliding glass door was broken at one point. If the door was jiggled just right, the door would unlock."

In the crime scene photo of the open sliding door, the latch and the handle knob were in the locked position, FWIW.

This is called "premonition".
It seems that people with heightened emotions experience it.

Or simply,
being naturally cautious
she saw the safety hazards of this house.
Her instinct didn't fail her.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

This is called "premonition".
It seems that people with heightened emotions experience it.

Or simply,
being naturally cautious
she saw the safety hazards of this house.
Her instinct didn't fail her.

JMO

"Gift of Fear".... we need to recognize it, acknowledge it, validate it.

All of them should have been safe in their own beds in their own homes.

Think of all the reports that are now coming out, go the felon's past. Stalking predator.

Time to take that behavior seriously. It is gateway behavior.


JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

This is called "premonition".
It seems that people with heightened emotions experience it.

Or simply,
being naturally cautious
she saw the safety hazards of this house.
Her instinct didn't fail her.

JMO

"Premonition" is not necessarily some supernatural ability. it's being emotionally open to the meaning of what's around you and acknowledging and responding to your own fear and uneasiness in the situation.

 

[Inthedetails]

"Gift of Fear".... we need to recognize it, acknowledge it, validate it.

All of them should have been safe in their own beds in their own homes.

Think of all the reports that are now coming out, go the felon's past. Stalking predator.

Time to take that behavior seriously. It is gateway behavior.


JMO

The perp is at fault, not the victims, but please tell your young people moving out on their own for the first time, to put curtains in the windows and pull them shut at night.

JMOPINION

 

[Boxer]

"Gift of Fear".... we need to recognize it, acknowledge it, validate it.

All of them should have been safe in their own beds in their own homes.

Think of all the reports that are now coming out, go the felon's past. Stalking predator.

Time to take that behavior seriously. It is gateway behavior.


JMO

Unchecked thry become stalkers, rapists or murderers.

 

[MissPie]

"Gift of Fear".... we need to recognize it, acknowledge it, validate it.

All of them should have been safe in their own beds in their own homes.

Think of all the reports that are now coming out, go the felon's past. Stalking predator.

Time to take that behavior seriously. It is gateway behavior.


JMO

I am rereading Gift of Fear right now. Gavin DeBecker talks about the Messengers of Intuition, which he believes we ALL have but we often downplay or ignore. My goal is to teach myself to be more aware of these feelings and act upon them. Better safe than sorry.

Do we know when the former roommate moved out? Was it before or after the madman moved to Pullman?

 

[Dotta]

"Premonition" is not necessarily some supernatural ability. it's being emotionally open to the meaning of what's around you and acknowledging and responding to your own fear and uneasiness in the situation.

I just call it
Being Aware.

Being aware of one's surroundings
and be able to predict possible dangers.
And try to minimize them.
Some call it "common sense".

JMO

 

[Queen of the Winter Night]

I like Brene Brown's definition: "intuition is a rapid-fire, unconscious associating process."

You see a house layout, your brain unconsciously goes through good vs bad layouts it has seen (real life, print, movies, etc.) in a nano-second and the result is you get a "gut feeling."

 

[Warwick7]

omg!
All that blood cast off in the living room!!

There were multiple areas of blood on the beer pong table.

 

[Dotta]

Paywall....

But the headline says it all...

"I taught Bryan Kohberger about mass killers, ​

here's why we must study his brain."​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956797071630926238

 

[QB2022]

“Sucks for you, you didn’t know what you were doing.”

How professional.

I also love that in the year of our Lord 2025, we’re still burning CDs.

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You can certainly see his autism traits in a lot of this.interview but it still doesn't make one a murderer.

 

[MassGuy]

You can certainly see his autism traits in a lot of this.interview but it still doesn't make one a murderer.

Sure, with the staring and all that. But the harsh grading and being rude are different things entirely. He had the awareness to know what he was doing.