GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[cottonweaver]

IMO Officer Nunes responded impeccably. He was only 22 at the time, with just two years service but acted very professionally. I believe he himself was a former U of Idaho student, so it must have been terrible for him. But he was unflappable, the kind of guy you would look to in a crisis.

I think as a true crime community, our focus tends to be on the very worst of mankind (e.g.BK). Or we wonder too often "Why LE aren't doing more" etc.
It may be nice to take a breath, and celebrate the great things our young people working in LE like PO Mitch Nunes can achieve. Here are a couple of news articles which caught my eye.

Lifesaving award

Duckings rescued

Sorry if this is too far off-topic, please delete if so.
MOO

wow that was 22yo Nunes !
As you said - unflappable. Despite what he'd just seen, despite coming from a small PD, he was over everything multi-tasking - armed clearing the scene, securing the scene with tape, witness statements, family on scene, feet-pads for the shoe-less, blankets and water, checking traffic on the road.

Now you tell us he covers life-saving and duckings too.
Please let us know when he gets promoted.

 

[SteveP]

Actually, not bad. Made with olive oil, egg replacement. But, it didn't look that good to me.

Just give him peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next 40 years...or how ever long he lasts...

But first, find out if he prefers smooth or crunchy peanut butter, and whichever he prefers, be sure to only give him the other.

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

38/39m iirc

Oh, there's the little precious guy. I had missed him, too. (Murphy)

 

[Megnut]

He retraced the route he took in the wee hours of the morning. Instead of using the short route back to Pullman, he had driven south through Lewiston, stopping at a grocery store near the Snake River and then back to Pullman. He parked near the Snake River, near a campground across from the grocery store.

Thinking about it now, maybe he figured it was safer to go that way (less obvious?) I haven't read whether the new releases provide any information about what he actually bought at the grocery store, but I think I did read they have the information.

I also don't know how long either the first or second loops around Idaho/Washington lasted. Clearly cleaning up and disposing of evidence, IMO.

I think he really wanted to be a Famous Uncaptured Serial Killer and Mass Murderer. I believe he would have killed again. It's possible he would have been caught even without the sheath being left behind (based on analysis of cell phones in the area and the video footage of a white car circling around) and he was eager to hear early accounts and publicity. Getting antsy, he goes back to the murder scene. It also shows a certain absence of common sense or filtering outcomes of actions.

I am guessing he might have disposed of more evidence on the next trip (perhaps in the Snake River). Such as the shower curtain.

He is where he belongs, but even in a max security prison, he's gotta be one of the worst psychopaths.

IMO.

LE had cctv of the Elantra pretty early, then even better images, and while LE did ask for "the persons" driving in that vehicle to come forward, for they might be eye witnesses to something, what LE didn't do was appeal to the public more than that. IMO they had the DNA and they didn't need input from the public.

But if they had, IMO tips would have come in.

FBI would have helped compile a profile.

Among other characteristics (would they have released athletic build, bushy brybrows?),
Changes in habits or appearance
Changes in vehicle
Physical injuries
Not showing up where expected-- work, school, family functions

As long as that bolt reached WSU, I think WSUers would have blown up the Idaho tip line.

Is it true he didn't show that whole week. Sounds like his attendance was historically spotty but wow. Injuries to conceal? Make-up to buy? Seriously. Did he use actual concealer to cover up cuts and blisters? Late night tilling with a hand shovel?

It was extraordinary police work, gathering the cctv footage they did.

No wonder AT wanted to talk about seven irrelevant minutes at 3 am in Pullman. It was the only span where the felon wasn't trackable, whether from no cameras or no footage (by the time they had his name and knew he was from Pullman, how much cctv had been overwritten?).

An hour later though -- his route, lit up like Luminol. Round and round 1122 King Rd. Pauses here, pauses there, big pause at 4:08/9, before speeding away at 4:21..

DNA or not, somebody was going to tip him in.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

I think he is going to have to use his money from family and female fans, and just buy himself oranges , almonds, avacados, tortilla chips or orange juice or whatever it is he feels is lacking from the commissary. .

The more he complains about the trays missing food, and inmates taunting him, the worse it will be, imo. He is going to need to grow up, learn to withstand the bullies and they will soon lose interest, imo.

Do they have those things at IMSI? To my knowledge, they can receive food packs from a national supplier, but IMSI has only the basic packs. I would be very surprised if they allow fresh fruit at this level of incarceration (they don't allow it most jails and prisons because the prisoners use it to make fermented beverages).

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article310943330.html

The IMSi policy manual limits how much inmates can use in commissary when they are first year. It can take a year or two to get maximum commissary privileges, although they might be able to get the approved commissary packages (not tailored to vegan diets, so he'd have to trade with people which, again, won't be his privilege for a while).

When he gets to Gen Pop, or more unrestricted privileges, he might be able to eat fruit or have fruit juice while in a common area, but I'll be very surprised if they allow it in his cell, which is where he must stay for now. For probably six months. If he were in a regular prison, he could even work up to being allowed to use a prison kitchen and cook his own food (and order more things). He's under top security at a maximum security prison.

Here's what those prison packs look like:

Access Securepak

www.accesscatalog.com

If you try to click through to see what you can send to IMSI, I don't think they're listed as a possible recipient. In addition to these snack foods, if the prison were enrolled in the full program, they could get fresh ingredients (like those boxes we all can order for ourselves).

We can probably lay bets on long it will be before Fruit Cup works his way up to a transfer to a less restrictive institution (I put my money on "never") or even to be allowed to work in the IMSI kitchens (again, betting on "never").

I find grim satisfaction in learning that he is going to have to eat meals based off of what all other prisoners get, without much or any fresh fruit, nor fruit juice, nor avocados.

IMO.

 

[gremlin444]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?

The face and handprints were on a kitchen window that, on the night of the murders, had a tall kitchen table in front of it. They did not happen that night. And yes, they do appear to be female sized.

That house had a ton of people over for gatherings/parties, and the social media clips/photos from the roomies show people always congregating in the kitchen and spilling out onto the patio. IMHO, just some girl goofing off and smooshing her face against the window to make people inside laugh.

This is the window with the prints:

https://jameskeivom.com/Idaho-Murders/206/caption

 

[katydid23]

Do they have those things at IMSI? To my knowledge, they can receive food packs from a national supplier, but IMSI has only the basic packs. I would be very surprised if they allow fresh fruit at this level of incarceration (they don't allow it most jails and prisons because the prisoners use it to make fermented beverages).

OOoh, I forgot about that fermented wine stuff. So no fresh fruit. They use prunes to make it too.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article310943330.html

The IMSi policy manual limits how much inmates can use in commissary when they are first year. It can take a year or two to get maximum commissary privileges, although they might be able to get the approved commissary packages (not tailored to vegan diets, so he'd have to trade with people which, again, won't be his privilege for a while).

When he gets to Gen Pop, or more unrestricted privileges, he might be able to eat fruit or have fruit juice while in a common area, but I'll be very surprised if they allow it in his cell, which is where he must stay for now. For probably six months. If he were in a regular prison, he could even work up to being allowed to use a prison kitchen and cook his own food (and order more things). He's under top security at a maximum security prison.

Here's what those prison packs look like:

Access Securepak

www.accesscatalog.com

So pinto beans or potato chips---that's about it on the prison pack menu.

If you try to click through to see what you can send to IMSI, I don't think they're listed as a possible recipient. In addition to these snack foods, if the prison were enrolled in the full program, they could get fresh ingredients (like those boxes we all can order for ourselves).

We can probably lay bets on long it will be before Fruit Cup works his way up to a transfer to a less restrictive institution (I put my money on "never") or even to be allowed to work in the IMSI kitchens (again, betting on "never").

I find grim satisfaction in learning that he is going to have to eat meals based off of what all other prisoners get, without much or any fresh fruit, nor fruit juice, nor avocados.

IMO.

Oh well, that's what happens when you stab innocent students to death. You lose your rights to fruit cups and hot biscuits forever.

 

[cottonweaver]

@Megnut He did show up to WSU after the murders. ( That prior report was faulty. The witness said she was off sick and then the Thanksgiving holidays started but the news outlet omitted that sentence. )

supp 0105/page 303



However on cuts and bruises in general - the strange thing was that several WSU witnesses describe these injuries both before and a while after the murders.
Initially I thought the witnesses were just mixed up in their recollections but there's too many of them. (I'll add the screenshots in a second post)

So..... why? How long do these injuries last? Into December

Separate point re your post mentioning concealer & make-up. I've always found that selfie very odd. His face is so white and pasty-looking, is that really just flash effects in a bathroom?
Anybody got any thoughts?

 

[Dotta]

Oh, there's the little precious guy. I had missed him, too. (Murphy)

In 2023
there was a page on Amazon wishlist for Murphy at the request of his many fans.

Murphy got lots of toys.
So many
that most of them were donated to local dogs' shelter.



Murphy with Daddy Jack and boxes full of gifts

Link from 2023

Idaho murder victim’s boyfriend poses with survivor dog and her new niece

Grieving family offers glimpse of Kaylee Goncalves’ longtime boyfriend Jack DuCouer’s visit with his dog Murphy to their home in Coeur d’Alene

www.independent.co.uk

 

[cottonweaver]

cuts & bruises dates - witness confusion or something else? IDK

before the murders ( the witness who he'd flirted with and asked about what kind of dog she had)
October


Another WSU witness who calls MPD tipline soon after he was arrested to report ' bloody knuckles prior to the homicides



after the murders but after Thanksgiving holidays. ( the week after? December?)
another witness who regularly takes a class with him





cat-scratch witness Nov 29-30




A different witness. She's not confident about dates. Maybe prior, maybe after



attendance - according to one witness ( his classes were afternoons Tues, Wed, Thurs)

 

[dalsglen]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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These girls sadly weren't very good at cleaning, there's trash and dirt all over the house, I'm not judging, Ive not even hoovered or made my bed today never cleaned my inside windows (window cleaner came yesterday so it's even worse) . Those handprints could be absolutely anyones from one of their parties.

 

[Inthedetails]

cuts & bruises dates - witness confusion or something else? IDK

before the murders ( the witness who he'd flirted with and asked about what kind of dog she had)
October
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Another WSU witness who calls MPD tipline soon after he was arrested to report ' bloody knuckles prior to the homicides
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after the murders but after Thanksgiving holidays. ( the week after? December?)
another witness who regularly takes a class with him

View attachment 610470



cat-scratch witness Nov 29-30

View attachment 610469


A different witness. She's not confident about dates. Maybe prior, maybe after
View attachment 610474


attendance - according to one witness ( his classes were afternoons Tues, Wed, Thurs)

When boxing or training for boxing, you wrap your hands before punching unless he's some bareknuckle boxer from the 1800s.

I seriously doubt his pre-murder injuries were from boxing, but no clue what they actually were from.

jmopinion

 

[Dotta]

cuts & bruises dates - witness confusion or something else? IDK

before the murders ( the witness who he'd flirted with and asked about what kind of dog she had)
October
View attachment 610467

Another WSU witness who calls MPD tipline soon after he was arrested to report ' bloody knuckles prior to the homicides
View attachment 610471


after the murders but after Thanksgiving holidays. ( the week after? December?)
another witness who regularly takes a class with him

View attachment 610470



cat-scratch witness Nov 29-30

View attachment 610469


A different witness. She's not confident about dates. Maybe prior, maybe after
View attachment 610474


attendance - according to one witness ( his classes were afternoons Tues, Wed, Thurs)

IMO

The injuries appeared AFTER.

He was absent for a week
and when he came back
there were wounds on his hands + he started wearing a puffy jacket & a (black,heavy) coat INDOORS

Besides,
as ppl stated he gave different reasons for injuries to different ppl
(boxing, car accident, indoors accident).

I even sent a link about it upthread.

I guess the witness got confused with the dates.
We all do!!!

JMO

 

[crhedBngr]

Regarding inmate usage of social media, I found the following document at the Idaho Dept. of Correction's Website Policies and Forms.

A "resident" is defined as follows:

Resident: A person who has been convicted of a crime against the laws of the state and ordered into the care and custody of the Board of Correction. Resident includes any use in Idaho law, Board of Correction rule, or IDOC policy or procedure of the terms “offender(s),” “prisoner(s)”, “inmate(s)”, “incarcerated person(s)”, or any other term referring to a person residing in a correctional facility in the care and custody of the Board of Correction.

Computer and Internet Use By Residents

"Resident" access is as follows:

. STANDARD PROCEDURES
1. Resident Compute Device Use and/or Internet Access Within an IDOC
Facility:
a. Staff must ensure that residents who access compute devices are aware of the
restrictions and limitations that apply regarding the use of such compute devices
and/or limited access to the internet, online applications, or similar digital systems.
b. Staff are responsible for monitoring and approving resident computer use and/or
internet access by doing the following:
i. Residents are only authorized to use, access, or view compute devices utilizing
hardware and software approved and provided by authorized IDOC staff.
ii. All compute devices, systems and programs designated for resident use, must
be accounted for by authorized staff. Removable data storage devices will only
be allowed on a limited basis and under the direct supervision of staff.
iii. Resident cloud storage is monitored and audited; it is not private and may be
searched at any time by approved staff.
iv. Residents may only access compute devices, systems and programs designated
for their use by authorized staff.
v. Resident use of and access to facility compute devices, systems or programs
may be withdrawn at any time.
vi. With appropriate approval by Director of Education/District Manager, residents
may use compute devices outside of a computer lab

JMVHO

 

[Ghostwheel]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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My take? During a party someone came up to the window, put their hands on the glass and made a face at whoever was on the other side. It would be a normal thing for an evening party as a joke. Or old Hallowern decorations someone else mentioned can also make sense. But those are guesses.

 

[mickey2942]

Great. Computer access for inmates. What could possibly go wrong?!

 

[crhedBngr]

Great. Computer access for inmates. What could possibly go wrong?!

Indeed.

I'm concerned as well.

I don't doubt inmates are finding ways to get around the restrictions; what else do they have to do with their time??

However, in The Felon's case, gaining access to forbidden media will come at a price, along with everything else he wants.

He's lost his daily shower privileges, his meals are messed with, and he's getting taunted by other inmates.

He will have an "interesting" life from now on.

JMVHO.

 

[mickey2942]

Indeed.

I'm concerned as well.

I don't doubt inmates are finding ways to get around the restrictions; what else do they have to do with their time??

However, in The Felon's case, gaining access to forbidden media will come at a price, along with everything else he wants.

He's lost his daily shower privileges, his meals are messed with, and he's getting taunted by other inmates.

He will have an "interesting" life from now on.

JMVHO.

The more drama he creates over his "missing fruit cup" and "mean" roommates, the more passive-aggressive issues will come up. No one will touch a hair on his little pointy head, but I have no doubt, his writing items, like felt tip marker, will come to him all "dried up" and it will take a week or so to replace them.

You know, things get so confusing with shift change, and people off for vacation. Sorry...we will get right on that....

 

[NottaYutz]

I don't think he was playing a hero. I think he was tormenting poor Xana as she ran from him.

I agree. I'm suggesting he was trying to *sound* like LE to slow her down. And if he was pursuing Xana, why use Kaylee's name? That's why I think the roommate may have misheard 'Kaylee' for 'lady'.

 

[Gemmie]

Great. Computer access for inmates. What could possibly go wrong?!

I hope they block them from watching p o r n. I was once in the children's section of the library that had computers in it so people could access the internet. One of the kids (maybe 15) was watching live p o r n!!! I was like Holy Moly! I hope kids don't walk in here and see what's on the screen before I can go inform the librarian! I'll bet they figured out how to block certain things after that. lol