GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[Dotta]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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I don't think the imprint was from the struggle.
There was no blood there.

It seems to be earlier, while a girl was opening this door some time before this tragedy.

I don't remember any reports of a struggle in the kitchen

JmO

But I'm not a hard-core sleuth!!!

 

[browneyes]

Did <modsnip> car get returned to his family?

 

[QB2022]

IMO Officer Nunes responded impeccably. He was only 22 at the time, with just two years service but acted very professionally. I believe he himself was a former U of Idaho student, so it must have been terrible for him. But he was unflappable, the kind of guy you would look to in a crisis.

I think as a true crime community, our focus tends to be on the very worst of mankind (e.g.BK). Or we wonder too often "Why LE aren't doing more" etc.
It may be nice to take a breath, and celebrate the great things our young people working in LE like PO Mitch Nunes can achieve. Here are a couple of news articles which caught my eye.

Lifesaving award

Duckings rescued

Sorry if this is too far off-topic, please delete if so.
MOO

I imagine he benefited from being fresh and the training being at the absolute forefront of his mind rather than a seasoned cop where nothing ever happens and perhaps less on the top of their game. This would have been life changing for him and I hope he has had the support he needs too.

 

[10ofRods]

I read here that he went to an out of the way grocery store that afternoon . Hopefully, someone can clarify. I can’t find the posts to link. IMO

He retraced the route he took in the wee hours of the morning. Instead of using the short route back to Pullman, he had driven south through Lewiston, stopping at a grocery store near the Snake River and then back to Pullman. He parked near the Snake River, near a campground across from the grocery store.

Thinking about it now, maybe he figured it was safer to go that way (less obvious?) I haven't read whether the new releases provide any information about what he actually bought at the grocery store, but I think I did read they have the information.

I also don't know how long either the first or second loops around Idaho/Washington lasted. Clearly cleaning up and disposing of evidence, IMO.

I think he really wanted to be a Famous Uncaptured Serial Killer and Mass Murderer. I believe he would have killed again. It's possible he would have been caught even without the sheath being left behind (based on analysis of cell phones in the area and the video footage of a white car circling around) and he was eager to hear early accounts and publicity. Getting antsy, he goes back to the murder scene. It also shows a certain absence of common sense or filtering outcomes of actions.

I am guessing he might have disposed of more evidence on the next trip (perhaps in the Snake River). Such as the shower curtain.

He is where he belongs, but even in a max security prison, he's gotta be one of the worst psychopaths.

IMO.

 

[Chloegirl]

I have been trying to understand BK too much since the beginning of all this. I am not sure you can ever understand the mind of a (serial?) killer. When somebody mentioned Pat Brown, I looked on Audible and found her book Profiling. Maybe it is just me but her description of the serial killer checklist in Chapter 2 was very interesting (paraphrasing).

✓glibness, superficial charm
✓gregarious, grandiose sense of self-worth
✓pathological lying, lying when not necessary
✓cunning, manipulative
✓lack of empathy, psychopath
✓no remorse or guilt of acts
✓flashes of anger, when not getting their way
✓callous, play-acting a role
✓indifferent to news of murder
✓shallow affect, no depth of feeling
✓never taking responsibility, blaming others
✓promiscuous sexual behavior
✓underachieving
✓difficulty with relationships with women
✓leaning towards violent ideation
✓precipitating event that makes them feel like losers, causing them to act out and gain control

Just interesting to consider. JMOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Also, the arriving officers have no idea who is who. Hunter was a male that supposedly found the bodies. Maybe he was involved in the crimes? The officer does not know that he wasn't.

Not Hunter. It was Jack DuCoeur in the car. Hunter was outside with the group.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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I've read, only once, that they were leftover Halloween "decorations". So IMO.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

He retraced the route he took in the wee hours of the morning. Instead of using the short route back to Pullman, he had driven south through Lewiston, stopping at a grocery store near the Snake River and then back to Pullman. He parked near the Snake River, near a campground across from the grocery store.

Thinking about it now, maybe he figured it was safer to go that way (less obvious?) I haven't read whether the new releases provide any information about what he actually bought at the grocery store, but I think I did read they have the information.

I also don't know how long either the first or second loops around Idaho/Washington lasted. Clearly cleaning up and disposing of evidence, IMO.

I think he really wanted to be a Famous Uncaptured Serial Killer and Mass Murderer. I believe he would have killed again. It's possible he would have been caught even without the sheath being left behind (based on analysis of cell phones in the area and the video footage of a white car circling around) and he was eager to hear early accounts and publicity. Getting antsy, he goes back to the murder scene. It also shows a certain absence of common sense or filtering outcomes of actions.

I am guessing he might have disposed of more evidence on the next trip (perhaps in the Snake River). Such as the shower curtain.

He is where he belongs, but even in a max security prison, he's gotta be one of the worst psychopaths.

IMO.

Our man stopped at Albertson's and bought a pre-packaged Starbucks frappucino. So...I was in Walmart last night and looked, you can buy them with oat milk so OK for vegans, I guess. IMO! I didn't look at what else they had in them.

 

[10ofRods]

Actually, not bad. Made with olive oil, egg replacement. But, it didn't look that good to me.

Just give him peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next 40 years...or how ever long he lasts...

I'm almost certain that if they do that, he'll develop a peanut allergy.

[bbm]

I posted about this before but that wasn't necessarily his first meal. The article that claimed that stole that picture from the jail's website. You can see the exact same picture on the jail's description of their food.

Thanks for that! I was wondering about it (seemed odd that there would be a camera prthere).

The prison also has its policy manual up online and IIRC, he's restricted from having certain privileges for the first six months. He can have felt tip pens, I think, and obviously, he was allowed to have a complaint form (although does it look like it's felt tip? I know there are websites that sell prison approved pens, pencils, etc; maybe it is pencil?)

For some reason, this made me think about his long term disordered sleep. He apparently doesn't sleep much. If he's in his solo cell, where he can hear through the vents but not see anyone but guards, it must be really boring. I don't think he'll have a tablet device yet. Not even sure if he gets phone privileges, I'll have to go look again. At any rate, the first six months I think they are assessing suicidality and propensity toward violent acting out. I'd love to know if during his one hour outside the cell he can do more than just shower and walk around a prison yard (are there other prisoners there?) He can't have visitors unless approved by the warden.

Anyway, it must be quite an adjustment. So much solitude, so little social contact or information about the outside world, and no ability to just sleep for hours as compensation.

IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

IMO Officer Nunes responded impeccably. He was only 22 at the time, with just two years service but acted very professionally. I believe he himself was a former U of Idaho student, so it must have been terrible for him. But he was unflappable, the kind of guy you would look to in a crisis.

I think as a true crime community, our focus tends to be on the very worst of mankind (e.g.BK). Or we wonder too often "Why LE aren't doing more" etc.
It may be nice to take a breath, and celebrate the great things our young people working in LE like PO Mitch Nunes can achieve. Here are a couple of news articles which caught my eye.

Lifesaving award

Duckings rescued

Sorry if this is too far off-topic, please delete if so.
MOO

wow that was 22yo Nunes !
As you said - unflappable. Despite what he'd just seen, despite coming from a small PD, he was over everything multi-tasking - armed clearing the scene, securing the scene with tape, witness statements, family on scene, feet-pads for the shoe-less, blankets and water, checking traffic on the road.

Now you tell us he covers life-saving and duckings too.
Please let us know when he gets promoted.

 

[SteveP]

Actually, not bad. Made with olive oil, egg replacement. But, it didn't look that good to me.

Just give him peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next 40 years...or how ever long he lasts...

But first, find out if he prefers smooth or crunchy peanut butter, and whichever he prefers, be sure to only give him the other.

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

38/39m iirc

Oh, there's the little precious guy. I had missed him, too. (Murphy)

 

[Megnut]

He retraced the route he took in the wee hours of the morning. Instead of using the short route back to Pullman, he had driven south through Lewiston, stopping at a grocery store near the Snake River and then back to Pullman. He parked near the Snake River, near a campground across from the grocery store.

Thinking about it now, maybe he figured it was safer to go that way (less obvious?) I haven't read whether the new releases provide any information about what he actually bought at the grocery store, but I think I did read they have the information.

I also don't know how long either the first or second loops around Idaho/Washington lasted. Clearly cleaning up and disposing of evidence, IMO.

I think he really wanted to be a Famous Uncaptured Serial Killer and Mass Murderer. I believe he would have killed again. It's possible he would have been caught even without the sheath being left behind (based on analysis of cell phones in the area and the video footage of a white car circling around) and he was eager to hear early accounts and publicity. Getting antsy, he goes back to the murder scene. It also shows a certain absence of common sense or filtering outcomes of actions.

I am guessing he might have disposed of more evidence on the next trip (perhaps in the Snake River). Such as the shower curtain.

He is where he belongs, but even in a max security prison, he's gotta be one of the worst psychopaths.

IMO.

LE had cctv of the Elantra pretty early, then even better images, and while LE did ask for "the persons" driving in that vehicle to come forward, for they might be eye witnesses to something, what LE didn't do was appeal to the public more than that. IMO they had the DNA and they didn't need input from the public.

But if they had, IMO tips would have come in.

FBI would have helped compile a profile.

Among other characteristics (would they have released athletic build, bushy brybrows?),
Changes in habits or appearance
Changes in vehicle
Physical injuries
Not showing up where expected-- work, school, family functions

As long as that bolt reached WSU, I think WSUers would have blown up the Idaho tip line.

Is it true he didn't show that whole week. Sounds like his attendance was historically spotty but wow. Injuries to conceal? Make-up to buy? Seriously. Did he use actual concealer to cover up cuts and blisters? Late night tilling with a hand shovel?

It was extraordinary police work, gathering the cctv footage they did.

No wonder AT wanted to talk about seven irrelevant minutes at 3 am in Pullman. It was the only span where the felon wasn't trackable, whether from no cameras or no footage (by the time they had his name and knew he was from Pullman, how much cctv had been overwritten?).

An hour later though -- his route, lit up like Luminol. Round and round 1122 King Rd. Pauses here, pauses there, big pause at 4:08/9, before speeding away at 4:21..

DNA or not, somebody was going to tip him in.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

I think he is going to have to use his money from family and female fans, and just buy himself oranges , almonds, avacados, tortilla chips or orange juice or whatever it is he feels is lacking from the commissary. .

The more he complains about the trays missing food, and inmates taunting him, the worse it will be, imo. He is going to need to grow up, learn to withstand the bullies and they will soon lose interest, imo.

Do they have those things at IMSI? To my knowledge, they can receive food packs from a national supplier, but IMSI has only the basic packs. I would be very surprised if they allow fresh fruit at this level of incarceration (they don't allow it most jails and prisons because the prisoners use it to make fermented beverages).

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article310943330.html

The IMSi policy manual limits how much inmates can use in commissary when they are first year. It can take a year or two to get maximum commissary privileges, although they might be able to get the approved commissary packages (not tailored to vegan diets, so he'd have to trade with people which, again, won't be his privilege for a while).

When he gets to Gen Pop, or more unrestricted privileges, he might be able to eat fruit or have fruit juice while in a common area, but I'll be very surprised if they allow it in his cell, which is where he must stay for now. For probably six months. If he were in a regular prison, he could even work up to being allowed to use a prison kitchen and cook his own food (and order more things). He's under top security at a maximum security prison.

Here's what those prison packs look like:

Access Securepak

www.accesscatalog.com

If you try to click through to see what you can send to IMSI, I don't think they're listed as a possible recipient. In addition to these snack foods, if the prison were enrolled in the full program, they could get fresh ingredients (like those boxes we all can order for ourselves).

We can probably lay bets on long it will be before Fruit Cup works his way up to a transfer to a less restrictive institution (I put my money on "never") or even to be allowed to work in the IMSI kitchens (again, betting on "never").

I find grim satisfaction in learning that he is going to have to eat meals based off of what all other prisoners get, without much or any fresh fruit, nor fruit juice, nor avocados.

IMO.

 

[gremlin444]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?

The face and handprints were on a kitchen window that, on the night of the murders, had a tall kitchen table in front of it. They did not happen that night. And yes, they do appear to be female sized.

That house had a ton of people over for gatherings/parties, and the social media clips/photos from the roomies show people always congregating in the kitchen and spilling out onto the patio. IMHO, just some girl goofing off and smooshing her face against the window to make people inside laugh.

This is the window with the prints:

https://jameskeivom.com/Idaho-Murders/206/caption

 

[katydid23]

Do they have those things at IMSI? To my knowledge, they can receive food packs from a national supplier, but IMSI has only the basic packs. I would be very surprised if they allow fresh fruit at this level of incarceration (they don't allow it most jails and prisons because the prisoners use it to make fermented beverages).

OOoh, I forgot about that fermented wine stuff. So no fresh fruit. They use prunes to make it too.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article310943330.html

The IMSi policy manual limits how much inmates can use in commissary when they are first year. It can take a year or two to get maximum commissary privileges, although they might be able to get the approved commissary packages (not tailored to vegan diets, so he'd have to trade with people which, again, won't be his privilege for a while).

When he gets to Gen Pop, or more unrestricted privileges, he might be able to eat fruit or have fruit juice while in a common area, but I'll be very surprised if they allow it in his cell, which is where he must stay for now. For probably six months. If he were in a regular prison, he could even work up to being allowed to use a prison kitchen and cook his own food (and order more things). He's under top security at a maximum security prison.

Here's what those prison packs look like:

Access Securepak

www.accesscatalog.com

So pinto beans or potato chips---that's about it on the prison pack menu.

If you try to click through to see what you can send to IMSI, I don't think they're listed as a possible recipient. In addition to these snack foods, if the prison were enrolled in the full program, they could get fresh ingredients (like those boxes we all can order for ourselves).

We can probably lay bets on long it will be before Fruit Cup works his way up to a transfer to a less restrictive institution (I put my money on "never") or even to be allowed to work in the IMSI kitchens (again, betting on "never").

I find grim satisfaction in learning that he is going to have to eat meals based off of what all other prisoners get, without much or any fresh fruit, nor fruit juice, nor avocados.

IMO.

Oh well, that's what happens when you stab innocent students to death. You lose your rights to fruit cups and hot biscuits forever.

 

[cottonweaver]

@Megnut He did show up to WSU after the murders. ( That prior report was faulty. The witness said she was off sick and then the Thanksgiving holidays started but the news outlet omitted that sentence. )

supp 0105/page 303



However on cuts and bruises in general - the strange thing was that several WSU witnesses describe these injuries both before and a while after the murders.
Initially I thought the witnesses were just mixed up in their recollections but there's too many of them. (I'll add the screenshots in a second post)

So..... why? How long do these injuries last? Into December

Separate point re your post mentioning concealer & make-up. I've always found that selfie very odd. His face is so white and pasty-looking, is that really just flash effects in a bathroom?
Anybody got any thoughts?

 

[Dotta]

Oh, there's the little precious guy. I had missed him, too. (Murphy)

In 2023
there was a page on Amazon wishlist for Murphy at the request of his many fans.

Murphy got lots of toys.
So many
that most of them were donated to local dogs' shelter.



Murphy with Daddy Jack and boxes full of gifts

Link from 2023

Idaho murder victim’s boyfriend poses with survivor dog and her new niece

Grieving family offers glimpse of Kaylee Goncalves’ longtime boyfriend Jack DuCouer’s visit with his dog Murphy to their home in Coeur d’Alene

www.independent.co.uk

 

[cottonweaver]

cuts & bruises dates - witness confusion or something else? IDK

before the murders ( the witness who he'd flirted with and asked about what kind of dog she had)
October


Another WSU witness who calls MPD tipline soon after he was arrested to report ' bloody knuckles prior to the homicides



after the murders but after Thanksgiving holidays. ( the week after? December?)
another witness who regularly takes a class with him





cat-scratch witness Nov 29-30




A different witness. She's not confident about dates. Maybe prior, maybe after



attendance - according to one witness ( his classes were afternoons Tues, Wed, Thurs)

 

[dalsglen]

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Can any hard-core sleuthers help me decipher the events leading up to the palm prints on the window, correct me if i'm wrong but appears to be two smallish female prints. If these were Xana's prints from a struggle, there doesn't seem to be a lot of blood in the area?


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These girls sadly weren't very good at cleaning, there's trash and dirt all over the house, I'm not judging, Ive not even hoovered or made my bed today never cleaned my inside windows (window cleaner came yesterday so it's even worse) . Those handprints could be absolutely anyones from one of their parties.