Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

[sunspun]

I don't think that is correct. I've only ever heard about his 3 sons, no girl

5.1K views · 516 reactions | For the first time, the details of the shocking sexual abuse allegations against fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman can be revealed. The disturbing episode involving a young girl is alleged to have taken place years ago durin

For the first time, the details of the shocking sexual abuse allegations against fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman can be revealed. The disturbing episode involving a young girl is alleged to have taken...

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Says here the skinny dipping happened in front of his sons ( the girl was apparently a friend of theirs )

Ohhhh, if so, I remembered that all wrong! TY for setting that straight!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Thank you, I must have missed that info, I’ll go have a hunt for it

IIRC, the names and ages and genders of his children and current wife Mali were stated in MSM around the 2nd week after he fled.

When there was a focus on his wife and family and their status and well being, possibly him using them to help him escape or hide out or whatever, or if they were still under his influence or in communication with him after he fled.

An OP upthread mentioned the possibility of his teen son having some video cams or something that may have been in use after he feld, IIRC.

But I do recall it was said early on he has a preteen daughter & infant daughter as well, but maybe that was mistranslated and the girl was a close family friend or relative who was considered part of his family instead (in the skinny dipping incident).

Will go look for what I saw, maybe it wasn't accurate about him having an older daughter if there is MSM documentation he only has 2 sons and an infant or toddler aged daughter.

Thanks for looking into it again, and if you find anything in MSM, reposting a link to it here.

Based on what I read, and thought it was in MSM, because I'm not following any cases here on WS elsewhere, but here and on MSM, he has an infant daughter around or under 6 months old, a daughter around 9 years old (or thereabouts), and a son in his teens.

I could be wrong, though.

IIRC, his children are supposedly with his current wife Mali, AFAIK, but I could be mistaken.

JMO

 

[Lucy.D]

Good points!

I wonder if the SOCIT officers were there simply as back up for "what ifs" as to why they were on the perimeter.

Though they (LE team overall) must have certainly been collectively aware enough to "know the minds of the people they were dealing with", so they brought SOCIT officers along...

IMO, it was appropriate for LEO(s) in charge of executing the warrant based on their "risk assessment" which led them to staging the LEOs that way.

As in, they did not anticipate such a violent reaction upon entry as they decided to do it, partially because perhaps they knew he wasn't "allowed" to be in possession of firearms IIRC, and didn't know he may have made his own or gotten possession of one illegally, if their intel which they relied on indicated otherwise.

And/or they had sussed out who was known to be living there and around the place, and had no intel there was anyone besides him and his family living there, or thereabouts who were armed and/or violently "in league with him". It was just him, his wife and kids, so a family sitiation for whom they would need to consider their safety as well, and enter with a crowbar and not guns to face off with an a known armed individual(s).

My take on it, for what it's worth, is that they knew enough about him to be very wary & have specially trained LE there for backup.

Because they (LE team) were there to serve a warrant for non-firearm related charges, historic sexual abuses of minors, and knew there was a chance things could turn violent just the same, so came prepared for that with SOCIT officers onsite behind them...

It was his off the charts much crazier & much more violent response to being served for child abuse charges than anyone could have anticipated, on the whole of the matter.

It may have gone something like this, IMO:

We have sufficient evidence to serve a warrant on him for historic child abuse. He lives alone with his family, his wife & 3 kids, an infant, and older daughter and son. He isn't in possession of firearms through our best known intel. He hasn't had any recent run ins with the law. He has a history of being anti-government & self claims he is a sovereign citizen and is living "off grid" but he & his family are collecting public assistance/are "on the dole". He may have or has made threatening statements towards LE (perhaps on SM) in the past, but does not appear to be actively living in a compound type situation with other sov cits of late. He is living with his family & posts pics of himself as a native living in nature & doing his own thing. No one in the area has filed complaints against him about his lifestyle or threatening behavior in public. He is for all intents & purposes a "family man" living on the dole & off grid. We've received reports historically of his alleged sexual abuse of minor females and/or indecent ecposure, and he has a daughter he has access to in their isolated living circumstances, and people are talking about him & wondering if he is going off the rails of late & females around him are safe. It's time to serve him a warrant to assess the safety of females around him, minors in particular, and bring him in for questioning. It could be he has a hair trigger temper, and will not want to come in for questioning willingly and stand his ground in unanticipated ways, or will try to run from us to avoid facing these charges. He doesn't have a job or go regularly out in public, so we can't serve him except at his home out there in the boonies. So based on these known facts & our risk assessment, we'll have 3 LEOs approach his domicile and announce the reasons for the warrant as required by law. And if he doesn't appear and no one else says a peep (his family members) or comes out or appears to be there and responsive, we'll take a crowbar to the window to gain entry and see if anyone is in there. And have 7 SOCIT officers on the perimeter of the property in case he tries to flee or reacts angrily or violently and the 3 LEOs need to call for backup.

JMO

I think you've made a pretty good summation of events.

In future what do you think LE can do to minimise the risk of getting shot @Twistinginthewind ?

Dezi was on a hiding to nothing. If he went outside he would have been arrested IMO on some charge such as resisting arrest or obstruction, or child assault or illegal weapons.

When police went into Porepunkah in the days following and arrested people their tactic was one using a much higher cautionary approach. Loud speaker, no door knocks, bright lights, late evening arrests, that sort of thing.

LE should make a major note of what happened as there will be another Dezi Freeman somewhere.

They obviously didn't take note of another occasion when police officers were shot attending a regional property now called the Wieambilla shootings and they should have because this is what they need to expect could happen.

If Mali was a gun owner and Dezi had a penchant for guns, then police should have expected him to be armed.

If LE expected the worse then they would know how to handle the situation and that is not to arrive with a crowbar and enter via a window while negotiations are taking place.

IMO if police want to keep safe then the worst possible scenario should be taken into account.

To reduce the risk factor, LE could start by taking guns out of the possession of people who are mentally unhinged. JMO

 

[Rocket333]

If the SOCIT officers knew about the minds of the people they were dealing with, going with a crowbar to jemmy open the bus door and climbing in through the window when the man inside is growing madder and more threatened and intimidated by the minute is certainly NOT the way to carry out a search warrant.

It does come across as a tactical miscalculation. Given their knowledge of Filby I would have thought they’d contain the perimeter, expect him to be the loon he is, and use a proper negotiator. Time was on their side. The bus was static and Filby wasn’t going anywhere. Still, I’m not a cop and I wasn’t on the scene so what would I know.

Were the 7 SOCIT officers the ones hid when the others got shot allowing Dezi and his family leave the bus on foot and nobody knew or saw where they went.

SOCIT held back. They are a specialist unit and not necessarily trained for tactical ops. Their skill set is more investigative, evidence collection, and handling vulnerable victims. .

Was it a SOCIT officer who had the "good rapport" with Dezi who they thought could persuade a peaceful resolution or was he the one using the crowbar.

Detective Senior Constable Neal Thompson went ahead to the bus with Senior Constable Vadim de Waart-Hottart. Thompson was said to have had a rapport with Filby, and that this relationship was a key factor in the decision for him to approach the bus first. It now seems clear that the logic of just using rapport and a crow bar failed big time.

It's a pity police don't release what the alleged crime was that they were investigating and then some of Dezi's supporters may not be so sympathetic towards him and maybe one amongst them might grab a slice of the reward money.

You’d hope that they wouldn’t be shouting the exact allegations through a bus door with his two kids listening. Police are bound by strict legal and ethical constraints especially in cases involving alleged sexual offences against minors. They would need to tread very carefully to avoid violating the victim/survivors privacy, safety and rights, which is the most important thing.

 

[essareem]

This cesna is flying in the “no fly” zone



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Melbourne Aviation Group | Melbourne Aviation Group

MAG is the most successful and longest running private flying group in Australia. MAG is run entirely not-for-profit operating out of Moorabbin Airport (YMMB), Melbourne’s largest GA airport.

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2006 Cessna 182 T - shared ownership in Moorabbin | Aircraft Listing | Plane Sales Australia

MAG (Melbourne Aviation Group) is a long established flying group, also with a Piper Archer 111, based at Moorabbin (Victoria). Members use modern, IFR, well equiped aircraft cost price. The group is financially sound with proper maintenance reserves. Interested potential new members are...

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[essareem]

First time this has come up on this case...

Google Search Starts Warning Users of Potentially Unreliable Results

Remember that information published first may not be the most factual.

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[Marg944]

First time this has come up on this case...

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Google Search Starts Warning Users of Potentially Unreliable Results

Remember that information published first may not be the most factual.

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My Google search hasn’t changed.

 

[angelainwi]

First time this has come up on this case...

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Google Search Starts Warning Users of Potentially Unreliable Results

Remember that information published first may not be the most factual.

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This article is from 2021, so not sure if it is still applicable or not?

 

[essareem]

This article is from 2021, so not sure if it is still applicable or not?

I was just giving an example of what that warning means

 

[Lucy.D]

Porepunkah's not a good place to be old and frail atm.

Dezi Freeman manhunt leaves elderly people without in-home care

Elderly residents of Porepunkah have had their home nurse visits cancelled as alleged police killer Dezi Freeman remains at large.

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[essareem]

My Google search hasn’t changed.

Yep it is back to normal for me now.

 

[Lucy.D]

I noticed what I thought was a new object that the second camera had a reflection from last night and it seems to be in the hills behind Dezi's place. Could be just a house