Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia

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Hopefully LE will get more productive tip offs now and DF can be brought to justice
 
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Not to harp on stuff, but the term used by the police 'historic' encompasses not so much the great passing of years of the crime, that there has to be a 50 yr waiting period, but the waiting until the child has reached an age to testify. competently .

It is a common term. in use in all states in AU law.

Referring to sexual crimes as 'historical'​

The term 'historical' in the context of sexual crimes refers to crimes that occurred in the past, often involving individuals who are now adults and who were under the age of consent at the time of the crime. This can include a range of sexual offenses, from physical abuse to sexual exploitation, and can occur in various settings, including familial, institutional, and peer relationships. The legal and social implications of these crimes are significant, as they often involve complex legal and evidentiary issues, and can have long-lasting emotional impacts on survivors.
A timely reminder that at the heart of this case is likely to be a young victim-survivor. They would be aware that on top of all else they've endured, their experience inadvertently triggered a legal response that ended in violence & tragedy. Imagine that. Their voice and wellbeing can’t be lost in this spectacle or Filby’s refusal to face accountability.
 
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Dez's capacity for logic probably means he is , as I type , trying to work out how he can both turn himself in AND collect the mill.

He can sit on the both sides of the fence, he's been collecting Welfare for 20 years AND claiming he pays for the police !!!
Time to send Mali in!
 
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Bruce also said Freeman did not want his children “indoctrinated” by schools that taught gender politics
RSBM
No, he wanted to indoctrinate them himself.
 
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Mali’s also doing the maths. 1 million reward vs Dezi’s disability pension and her carer allowance. She’s calling the Centrelink hotline to ask if snitching is means-tested. Stay tuned…. 🤔 💰💰💰
Also enquiring about a Widows Pension probably.
 
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Also enquiring about a Widows Pension probably.
No such thing here. She’ll lose access to Dezi’s pension and if she was receiving any carer allowance for looking after him, that’ll end too. So she’s left with 3 options or pivots: dole queue, ukulele hustle, or some serious snitchcraft.
 
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No such thing here. She’ll lose access to Dezi’s pension and if she was receiving any carer allowance for looking after him, that’ll end too. So she’s left with 3 options or pivots: dole queue, ukulele hustle, or some serious snitchcraft.
One thing she won't be accessing is Dez's superannuation, Dez never held down a job where he contributed to an operative fund . That's what happens when you leave school at 13 you don't , apparently, read the fine print... 😬
 
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RSBM
No, he wanted to indoctrinate them himself.
Bruce also said Freeman did not want his children “indoctrinated” by schools that taught gender politics.
🙄🙄🙄 So he told them schools were dangerous and railed against them learning pronouns, then (allegedly) gave them a front row seat to violent carnage and turned their home into a crime scene. The irony is devastating. How will those kids grow through this. I just hope they don’t idolise him or become like him.
 
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A timely reminder that at the heart of this case is likely to be a young victim-survivor. They would be aware that on top of all else they've endured, their experience inadvertently triggered a legal response that ended in violence & tragedy. Imagine that. Their voice and wellbeing can’t be lost in this spectacle or Filby’s refusal to face accountability.
Surely this kid will be in witness protection... at first I was scared that Dez had run to try and eliminate his accuser , in the expectation that he could eliminate the case.

In all his other cases he is excited and overinvested in them , reams of paper, lots of burbling nonsense, gathering crowds to support him, ready to take on magistrates and judges,, but this charge, he is outraged by , he has taken outrageous retaliation for it, this charge he DOES not want and WILL not deal with...
 
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It is a possibility. Lots of people don't come forward with abuse claims until they are 40, 50 years old.

We haven't been told, so we have no idea at this point.
If you keep up with the news then we do know

‘The alleged offences relate to a minor under 16 and is why police were executing a search warrant at his Porepunkah property on Tuesday.

It is understood the alleged offending happened in the past two years.’
 
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When discussing homemade shotgun is it possible that it was a 3D printed one?
 
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When discussing homemade shotgun is it possible that it was a 3D printed one?
It is possible but inadvisable......even the guns people say Dez has tucked away at home are illegal and the punishment for harbouring an illegal weapon is quite harsh..

'''''It is illegal to manufacture firearms, including 3D-printed guns, in Victoria. The Firearms Act 1996 prohibits the manufacture of firearms without a licence, and penalties for this offence can include up to 10 years imprisonment. Additionally, possessing digital blueprints for 3D-printed firearms can be an offence in some Australian states, though the specific laws are evolving.

Why it's illegal
  • Manufacture of firearms:
    Victoria has specific offences for the manufacture of firearms, including via 3D printing, with significant penalties.

  • Firearms Act 1996:
    This act criminalises the manufacturing of any firearm without a proper licence.
    • Strict gun control:
      Australia has some of the world's strictest gun control laws, and any home manufacture of firearms is criminalised under existing legislation.
Penalties
  • The Firearms Act 1996 specifies that the manufacture of firearms carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment or 1200 penalty units.

  • The possession of digital design files for 3D-printed firearms can also be a serious offence, with maximum penalties including 21 years in jail.'''''

 
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With all the manpower and technology unable to find him after this long, I'd say it's 50/50
Today I was thinking; would be more typical that because he scurried off into the bush rather than stay and fight it out like the good guy vs. the bad guys (I imagine his interpretation) - that he’s been hiding, pretty much in one spot since, too scared to move. Maybe he’s wide-eyed most of the time and when he does leave his hiding spot he doesn’t go far.
 
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I have just begun to watch an episode of "Midsomer Murders" live, called "The Scarecrow Murders". The husband of the first victim is played by a British actor, Jason Wong, and my goodness, he looks very like Dezi!
 
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Freeman’s actions - ambushing officers, stockpiling weapons, barricading, fleeing etc - don’t read as protective or reactive or panicked or defiant or even anti-authority.

They read as someone who knows what’s coming and recognises that they are cornered and culpable. He knew the knock was coming and had already decided how he’d respond. He didn't even wait to hear the warrant. He just fired.

Members of the sexual offences and child abuse investigation team (SOCIT) attended the property with local officers which, correct me if I’m wrong, suggests the case hadn’t just started and would have already passed through several layers of scrutiny and been assessed as credible. SOCIT wouldn't bother chasing shadows. They follow evidence and they would have had enough to knock on that bus door with a legally justified search warrant. Charges may have even been under consideration.

They sent in Detective Leading Senior Constable Neal Thompson because he already had a rapport with Freeman. The local officers went to the door and the SOCIT team held back. This shows some thought being given to keeping the interaction calm. They sent someone Freeman knew. Someone who had previously interacted with him. Someone chosen specifically to lower the temperature of a volatile situation. Freeman was having none of it. He immediately rejected the whole shabang - the relationship, the dialogue, the warrant, and shot Thompson as he approached the door.

Freeman wasn’t blindsided. He knew the allegation. He knew the officer. He knew the system was closing in. He was anticipating this visit, and he was bracing for impact.

He didn’t flee in panic. He vanished into an escape plan armed, dressed, and well rehearsed.

It’s just not feasible that Mali Freeman was entirely unaware. They lived together in a converted bus - a confined, intimate space where there would be no room for secrets.
 
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Freeman’s actions - ambushing officers, stockpiling weapons, barricading, fleeing etc - don’t read as protective or reactive or panicked or defiant or even anti-authority.

They read as someone who knows what’s coming and recognises that they are cornered and culpable. He knew the knock was coming and had already decided how he’d respond. He didn't even wait to hear the warrant. He just fired.

Members of the sexual offences and child abuse investigation team (SOCIT) attended the property with local officers which, correct me if I’m wrong, suggests the case hadn’t just started and would have already passed through several layers of scrutiny and been assessed as credible. SOCIT wouldn't bother chasing shadows. They follow evidence and they would have had enough to knock on that bus door with a legally justified search warrant. Charges may have even been under consideration.

They sent in Detective Leading Senior Constable Neal Thompson because he already had a rapport with Freeman. The local officers went to the door and the SOCIT team held back. This shows some thought being given to keeping the interaction calm. They sent someone Freeman knew. Someone who had previously interacted with him. Someone chosen specifically to lower the temperature of a volatile situation. Freeman was having none of it. He immediately rejected the whole shabang - the relationship, the dialogue, the warrant, and shot Thompson as he approached the door.

Freeman wasn’t blindsided. He knew the allegation. He knew the officer. He knew the system was closing in. He was anticipating this visit, and he was bracing for impact.

He didn’t flee in panic. He vanished into an escape plan armed, dressed, and well rehearsed.

It’s just not feasible that Mali Freeman was entirely unaware. They lived together in a converted bus - a confined, intimate space where there would be no room for secrets.
So, then he heads to his planned hiding place or does Mali take him somewhere? But to what end? Does he think he can hide forever? Or does he have a pre-arranged plan out of the state?
 
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When discussing homemade shotgun is it possible that it was a 3D printed one?
Maybe. One trouble might be with the barrel(s).

Shotguns use high grade steel which some companies still mark with traditional "proof stampings" to show that it has been tested for certain pressures.

I don't know if 3 d printed barrels would work. But.... I could see underground makers using a hybrid shot gun: 3 d printed breech and trigger mechanism. Then add, steel barrels- probably sans traditional proof stampings.
 
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So, then he heads to his planned hiding place or does Mali take him somewhere? But to what end? Does he think he can hide forever? Or does he have a pre-arranged plan out of the state?
Does the militant sovereign citizen movement in Australia strong enough to have members willing to shelter a double murderer?

The US movement is, but such a murderer would likely need to have pre existing ties to a sovereign citizen network and also have committed the murders for what others in the movement would view as a "justifiable" reason.

If the Australian sovereign movement has deep enough roots, he may think he can hide out. If not, I am thinking he is going to use his home made weapons on himself. I don't think he has the courage to go down in a blaze of "glory".
 
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