Possibly breaking news.......... not sure

[SeriouslySearching]

And if he and his people provide good evidence, lawfully obtained, to a district attorney who then obtains a conviction of a guilty party, he'll win in a landslide. I would question a voter who votes against a law enforcement candidate because he lied to a report or wasn't forthcoming to the public while in the midst of draining a pond looking for a murdered child.

Blaise

The voters of Putnum County should hope and pray they are NEVER the parents of a missing child in that county. It is not only the pond search at issue in this entire case of what has transpired due to LE there. The list begins the night she went missing and is growing longer by the day.

 

[harleysnana]

I think the same thing about Hank! I feel right now he's being protected and I too understand why. He's given LE this information that may very well break this case wide open and he's afraid now. But why would he be afraid? IMO,1) He's afraid that once Ron finds out what really went on the night Haleigh disappeared Ron will probably try to kill him, meaning he had involvement in his daughter's disappearance. Or 2) He's afraid when Ron finds out that he told LE about EVERBODY"S involvement and was told not to, Ron might have some of his friends try to kill him. To me Ron made that perfectly clear with the ratgate incident. IMO Ron cannot find out that Hank is behind this whole ordeal at the pond which is, I believe, the reason the police called it a Coincidence.

JMO as usual

I don't think he is in jail because he is afraid.
I think if that was the case LE would put him someplace to keep him
safe.....but I don't think it would be jail.

I think the fact that this search happened right after they arrested him
it means he is talking and telling what he knows.
IF he isn’t guilty of anything then you have to ask yourself why he didn’t talk sooner.
Why not tell what he knew and get the reward money?

IMO it’s because he is involved and I’m starting to wonder if Misty is also.

I think that if Ron had anything to do with this and Hank knew he
would have sold him out a long time ago.

All this is MO.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if that article is from earlier in the day...I just can't imagine the pain...

I agree. The pain and torture of waiting for news of your loved one to possibly be found dead and being lied to on top of everything else is too much, imo. I don't know how people function during these searches. I would fall apart each and every time, but people handle the stress differently I suppose.

Marie was supposedly online talking football and cheering on her favorite team. I don't know what Teresa was doing, but I guess she was coping the best way she knew how, too. As for Ronald and Crystal, it appears since she was in contact with him that they were being civil and discussing what was taking place which hopefully is a positive sign between them.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I believe you're right, but still can't help to think that "no comment" may have fueled even more speculation and calls. Even though, it may have been more "politically correct" not to say anything...these guys would have been damned if they do and damned if they didn't. JMO

I agree with you, and we as the public are accustomed to receiving this kind of response and with that understand that they have to keep things close to the vest until they deem it's okay otherwise. But, I do agree sometimes, but not in all the cases, LE gets beat up pretty badly, and in no way am I doing that.

They just really made some bad calls concerning answering the questions about this search and discovery as it was too obvious something was going on. There could have been tons of appropriate responses and ways to have handled the situation, they just chose to not follow this course. Makes me feel they don't have to high a regard for the public. I've not been dissatisfied with LE in this case til this and then seeing them walked onto possible evidence. Since the lake is being drained, there was time to wait and get the water out. What is the urgency at this point?

I think the same thing about Hank! I feel right now he's being protected and I too understand why. He's given LE this information that may very well break this case wide open and he's afraid now. But why would he be afraid? IMO,1) He's afraid that once Ron finds out what really went on the night Haleigh disappeared Ron will probably try to kill him, meaning he had involvement in his daughter's disappearance. Or 2) He's afraid when Ron finds out that he told LE about EVERBODY"S involvement and was told not to, Ron might have some of his friends try to kill him. To me Ron made that perfectly clear with the ratgate incident. IMO Ron cannot find out that Hank is behind this whole ordeal at the pond which is, I believe, the reason the police called it a Coincidence.

JMO as usual

100% in agreements. We'll soon have our answers, that's the beauty of it.

Kool Look, I'm a bit surprised by your comments that you already know who the jurors will be and that they will distrust the cops' testimony. Do you really believe the prosecution will willingly seat a jury full of people who will question how the police reacted to media questions while an investigation was underway?
I find it hard to believe how that subject could even come into the testimony. It will be the suspect on trial, not whether the cops said "No comment" or not to the media.
I do appreciate that you are fully involved with this case and want to see that things are done according to policy. But can't you see a way to give LE a break that their creditability is only to be judged when they release an official statement to the media/public.

Clearly by my quote, this is not what I said and don't understand the mis-representation. My participation will only be with clarity and truth ending now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This article says they only had one deputy in place to guard the pumps so I am guessing they were not back out there today with divers etc.? There are also conflicting reports on the pot they found. I saw one article which said the pot was in pots near the water and another stated LE was pulling pot plants all day out of the ground. Maybe both are accurate, but I would really like more facts about the level of manufacturing they had going on there.

Do we know yet who owns the property? Reports keep saying it is used for parties and is well known by everyone for being a hang out. If so, why would a dealer feel so free to grow a bunch of pot there? Wouldn't he want to grow it in a place where people didn't congregate at all? To me, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is either one or the other: Remote with no people or a hang out with lots of people.

 

[elle1919]

I have no problem with LE withholding info about the pond search. That would be expected from authorities if that was the crux of it. ...however when I think back at all events in this case I am frustrated and concerned. First we have the blankets put on the ramp, then we have LE going back to the house to get one of the back doors when they realized it might be important. I mean..I am going to stop right there because I in no way want to bash LE about the way they do their job. But, for me....it is more than this search..LE owes me nothing....nothing. But they owe Haleigh everything.

 

[TxLady2]

It would have been nice to inform the families on both sides, but no they heard rumors and stuff on the internet and phones calls and LE lied to Marie as of yesterday saying there was no connection to the search with Haleigh. Mrs. Sykes had to go to the site herself to find out what's going on and was treated badly.That is unacceptable that is no way to treat family of a missing child.

She went to the press about her complaints I hope they put her interview on the news later tonight.

Did it ever occur to anyone that since Misty is a POI, and she lives in that house, that they could not inform Ronald or his grandmother what was going on? Ron could have gone ballistic and stomped Misty to death or just shot her. They have to think of her protection, too.

Sometimes, believe it or not, LE has to weigh the pros and cons when they undertake a search like that, and decide whether it merits telling the family right then, rather than sending them in a tailspin over the possibility that their child is in that pond. Maybe they didn't want to tell them till they found something. People can go through just so much before they break down and maybe... just maybe, they felt it was best to hold off for awhile.

 

[atherella]

I wonder if that article is from earlier in the day...I just can't imagine the pain...

Oh yes. The article is from today:

Haleigh Cummings family waits while new search begins
Reported by: Matt Saffer
Last Update: 8:14 pm

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-new-search/jSYuekdb1UyXAhviwegPQw.cspx?rss=1

I suspect there will be a video as well of Annette describing her family's treatment and her frustrations.


From the article:

“(They said) they weren’t searching for Haleigh, it had nothing to do with Haleigh, it was a training maneuver um, and then it was a drug bust, they had found marijuana. I mean, marijuana doesn’t grow underwater,” said Sykes.

Can you imagine? People say LE doesn't owe US - the PUBLIC anything. Well what about the FAMILY? That is HaLeigh's GREAT GRANDMOTHER! Do you really think SHE didn't deserve to know they were draining a pond looking for her granddaughter?

 

[atherella]

Did it ever occur to anyone that since Misty is a POI, and she lives in that house, that they could not inform Ronald or his grandmother what was going on? Ron could have gone ballistic and stomped Misty to death or just shot her. They have to think of her protection, too.

Sometimes, believe it or not, LE has to weigh the pros and cons when they undertake a search like that, and decide whether it merits telling the family right then, rather than sending them in a tailspin over the possibility that their child is in that pond. Maybe they didn't want to tell them till they found something. People can go through just so much before they break down and maybe... just maybe, they felt it was best to hold off for awhile.

There is a Victim's Bill of Rights in Florida. LE HAS to keep the members of HaLeigh's family informed. Ron is HaLeigh's FATHER - it doesn't matter to whom he is married - he is still HaLeigh's father and he is also HaLeigh's custodial parent. The law is the law.

 

[kant]

Oh yes. The article is from today:


http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-new-search/jSYuekdb1UyXAhviwegPQw.cspx?rss=1

I suspect there will be a video as well of Annette describing her family's treatment and her frustrations.


From the article:


Can you imagine? People say LE doesn't owe US - the PUBLIC anything. Well what about the FAMILY?

That is HaLeigh's GREAT GRANDMOTHER! Do you really think SHE didn't deserve to know they were draining a pond looking for her granddaughter?

BBM

NOT IF HER GRANDSON IS INVOLVED IN IT


moo

 

[TxLady2]

:snooty: We need a training course around here teaching how to disagree without being argumentative. Somebody use to have a link "How to Post" in their siggy line, but haven't seen it around for a while.

Let us know if you hear anything about the call, if it's on the radio going out through LE scanners, there's something to it. I pray peace over this family, it's got to be tough. The slightest thing could stir up such raw emotions, especially now that we're getting closer and closer to the truth of the matter.

It's called DEBATE!!

 

[lonetraveler]

I would find the pain and torture of a screwed up case and contaminated evidence so the perp walks free the unbearable part. I guess if I were pulling for the perp then... ok.... I get it. nevermind.

MOO

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There may be very good reasons that LE did not call Ron. His attorney confirmed that Ron is still on the list of people who might be involved in Haleigh's disappearance. He noted that Ron had "basically" moved from the top of the list to the bottom of the list.

 

[TxLady2]

Kool Look, I'm a bit surprised by your comments that you already know who the jurors will be and that they will distrust the cops' testimony. Do you really believe the prosecution will willingly seat a jury full of people who will question how the police reacted to media questions while an investigation was underway?
I find it hard to believe how that subject could even come into the testimony. It will be the suspect on trial, not whether the cops said "No comment" or not to the media.
I do appreciate that you are fully involved with this case and want to see that things are done according to policy. But can't you see a way to give LE a break that their creditability is only to be judged when they release an official statement to the media/public.

Well said!!!

 

[TxLady2]

There is a Victim's Bill of Rights in Florida. LE HAS to keep the members of HaLeigh's family informed. Ron is HaLeigh's FATHER - it doesn't matter to whom he is married - he is still HaLeigh's father and he is also HaLeigh's custodial parent. The law is the law.

It might be the law, but it is LE's job to also protect a possible suspect, and to protect its citizens in general. They do have discretion with these situations. When and if they find Haleigh's body, then it will be their duty to inform Ronald AND Crystal. There obviously was no need to tell them about this until the evidence was uncovered or the remains were found, which they have not been as far as we know. And it's also possible that the decision to drain the pond was not made until this evidence was found.

 

[kant]

It might be the law, but it is LE's job to also protect a possible suspect, and to protect its citizens in general. They do have discretion with these situations. When and if they find Haleigh's body, then it will be their duty to inform Ronald AND Crystal. There obviously was no need to tell them about this until the evidence was uncovered or the remains were found, which they have not been as far as we know. And it's also possible that the decision to drain the pond was not made until this evidence was found.

I agree they have to reveal what they ultimately find; But imo they do NOT have to telegraph their every move while an investigation is ONGOING.

 

[TxLady2]

I agree they have to reveal what they ultimately find; But imo they do NOT have to telegraph their every move while an investigation is ONGOING.

Very true.

 

[Busylady]

I think there is some major confusion on who was called and when they were called IMO. Marie stated she contacted PCSO and was told the search had nothing to do with Haleigh. Crystal called RC and asked him about the search. Then after it was confirmed with media that GGS had went to the scene Marie then said yes it has to do with Haleigh.

LE has not kept the Cummings family in the loop in anything, and I don't really believe they kept the Sheffield family in the loop either had they then Crystal and Marie would of known this search was about Haleigh - they did notify the Sheffield attorney of information in the past (some of which should of never been given to the lawyer of the parent of a missing child JMO).

RC is on the same place on the list as Crystal so to say Crystal is entitled to info that RC is not is wrong IMO. It is has been pointed out by many many posters that LE never stated they were cleared. IMO RC attorneys comments have been taken way out of context by many. LE has said he is not a suspect, the attorney stated they could not clear him unless they were with him 100% of the time - well that would apply to Crystal as well - it would apply to anyone. When a child goes missing the first two on the list are going to be the parents and then they move down the list. JMO

 

[Kimster]

Perhaps LE isn't keeping them informed because of their ongoing investigation. We still don't know what they know and I'm thinking they were trying to keep this search quiet for as long as possible in hopes of gaining more information from the families involved. JMOO

 

[pidgeon]

I was reading the article linked in this forum to Fox30 News in Jacksonville, and I went to look at the comments. There was this comment posted just a few minutes ago at: http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...search/jSYuekdb1UyXAhviwegPQw.cspx?p=Comments

Comments
chef43 - 10:21 PM
I was in Palatka today and was told that she was found in that lake with her feet tied to blocks. And she was just put there within the last 36 days


Is this someone's sick sense of humor?

 

[cajun]

I think there is some major confusion on who was called and when they were called IMO. Marie stated she contacted PCSO and was told the search had nothing to do with Haleigh. Crystal called RC and asked him about the search. Then after it was confirmed with media that GGS had went to the scene Marie then said yes it has to do with Haleigh.

LE has not kept the Cummings family in the loop in anything, and I don't really believe they kept the Sheffield family in the loop either had they then Crystal and Marie would of known this search was about Haleigh - they did notify the Sheffield attorney of information in the past (some of which should of never been given to the lawyer of the parent of a missing child JMO).

RC is on the same place on the list as Crystal so to say Crystal is entitled to info that RC is not is wrong IMO. It is has been pointed out by many many posters that LE never stated they were cleared. IMO RC attorneys comments have been taken way out of context by many. LE has said he is not a suspect, the attorney stated they could not clear him unless they were with him 100% of the time - well that would apply to Crystal as well - it would apply to anyone. When a child goes missing the first two on the list are going to be the parents and then they move down the list. JMO

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