Preliminary Report Human Remains are not Hailey

[ozazure]

Shawn was notified via the media about the body find. He doesn't know how accurate the information is from a random reporter ringing Billie's phone, regarding location. If I was him and guilty, I'd have said no comment and got on the phone to a lawyer also.

That said, I would have probably said no comment and got on the phone to my lawyer as the only named POI too if I were innocent. he'd have to be crazy not to.

I found the comments from Billie's lawyer interesting ... think she will distance herself publicly from SA in a heartbeat if any charges are ever laid to protect herself. But by trial will resemble Cindy Anthony supporting Casey, probably because they have the same personality disorder.

 

[grandmaj]

That would imply that he didn't know it wasn't her. If he did know it wasn't her then he would not have bothered.

Only the people who knew the body wasn't HD would not have reacted.

I respectfully disagree with this theory.



If he thought it was Hailey and he is innocent, why come out of the box swinging. Why not wait for whatever investigation there would be to be completed. He remained mostly quiet all of this time, why now this reaction?

I don't recall one police statement when this body was found, connecting it to Shawn. Not one. So why the need to proclaim innocence? Over and over and over for 3 days this attorney was posturing. This attorney really should have waited until the remains were identified. IMO he jumped the gun and made Shawn look even worse.

 

[Soulmagent]

I think if he had waited until we knew what was going on he would have looked more guilty then him getting a lawyer and having the lawyer make a statement.

He did react like he thought they found Hailey Dunn in big spring . Maybe it was a tactic to make it look like he didnt know but I dont think he is that big of a thinker ,plus had it been her, the plan would have backfired and made him look like he knew it was her.

He knows that LE really thinks he did something to Hailey so if he really thought they did find her ,I would expect him to lawyer up ASAP. Guilty or innocent. I would not have expected him to lawyer up (before this find) if he didnt believe they had found her. Now I suspect he will always have a lawyer for everything about his case.

I also think if he is guilty he would keep the same attorny. It shows he doesnt have a plan and is beeing protective ,and not so much defensive.

Still he could be guilty ,he makes a really reaaly good suspect, but something keeps nagging at me that he might not be guilty of anything related to Hailey being missing.

 

[Tugela]

I respectfully disagree with this theory.



If he thought it was Hailey and he is innocent, why come out of the box swinging. Why not wait for whatever investigation there would be to be completed. He remained mostly quiet all of this time, why now this reaction?

I don't recall one police statement when this body was found, connecting it to Shawn. Not one. So why the need to proclaim innocence? Over and over and over for 3 days this attorney was posturing. This attorney really should have waited until the remains were identified. IMO he jumped the gun and made Shawn look even worse.

<modsnip> As soon as the body was found many people here were metaphorically measuring out SA's prison cell. You can bet that the locals were doing the same. You are also forgeting that LE has been gunning for him in the absence of any evidence that he was involved in HD's dissappearance. So of course he is going to get a lawyer when a body widely described as 90% certain HD is found a short distance from where he was that day. Only an idiot wouldn't do that it under the circumstances

The only way that he could be confident that he wasn't being set up would be if he was the person responsible for HD's dissappearance and he knew it wasn't her. But that is not what happened.

His actions are entirely consistent with someone who did not know that it wasn't her but feared that he was getting set up.

 

[grandmaj]

<modsnip> As soon as the body was found many people here were metaphorically measuring out SA's prison cell. You can bet that the locals were doing the same. You are also forgeting that LE has been gunning for him in the absence of any evidence that he was involved in HD's dissappearance. So of course he is going to get a lawyer when a body widely described as 90% certain HD is found a short distance from where he was that day. Only an idiot wouldn't do that it under the circumstances

The only way that he could be confident that he wasn't being set up would be if he was the person responsible for HD's dissappearance and he knew it wasn't her. But that is not what happened.

His actions are entirely consistent with someone who did not know that it wasn't her but feared that he was getting set up.

I personally do not know if all the locals or maybe some of the locals were gunning for Shawn. That is a generalization I won't make. Probably some but what percentage of the population I can't begin to guess. I"m going to rely on fact here which is very missing in this case.

You are also forgeting that LE has been gunning for him in the absence of any evidence that he was involved in HD's disappearance.

I don't agree with the bolded statement. I have never believed that LE had no evidence. I would be assuming to say they did have evidence or did not. There is no proof either way. They haven't told the media or the public, as well they should not. Especially in this case with the horrible reporting. I cannot forget what I never thought to begin with.

If I were to remove all the assumptions, I hold to my opinion that none of what happened last week made sense and that this attorney was a bit vigorous in his attempts to defend Shawn when not one LE statement was made about him, in this recent turn of events. Media made statements yes, but they don't arrest or prosecute people.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I really wish that reporters would start asking more specific questions and pursuing answers.

Has an autopsy been done on this body?

What tests are pending results?

Is the perliminary finding that the body is an elderly male based on scientific testing or is this a visual observation based upon the appearance before autopsy?

If the autopsy has not been done, why not?

Has the estimate that the remains had been interred for 1-2 years been confirmed by any testing? Has the estimated time since death been changed?

What is this person's race? Height? Identifying marks such as tattoos or previously healed scars? Dentures?

 

[concernedmother]

I respectfully disagree with this theory.



If he thought it was Hailey and he is innocent, why come out of the box swinging. Why not wait for whatever investigation there would be to be completed. He remained mostly quiet all of this time, why now this reaction?

I don't recall one police statement when this body was found, connecting it to Shawn. Not one. So why the need to proclaim innocence? Over and over and over for 3 days this attorney was posturing. This attorney really should have waited until the remains were identified. IMO he jumped the gun and made Shawn look even worse.

Makes me think she is somewhere in that area.

 

[StacieC]

Since I am now verified I can tell y'all I personally called Hailey's family about the remains being found. I was able to reach Hailey's aunt. Her mom was at work. Her maternal aunt got a hold of Billie when she got off work and she came straight here. During this time I had driven to Snyder and was with Hailey's paternal grandmother. On my way to Snyder I called the Howard and Mitchell County sheriff's offices to make sure they had all of the proper contact info for both sides of the family. They never contacted either side of Hailey's family. Hailey's mom called a Ranger that we work with and he would tell her nothing. Howard &Mitchell count y cops & sheriff dpt's leaked that the remains were of a 10-15 year old female child, wrapped in a blanket and placed in a garbage bag. This was not the media's doing. This was our local LE. I have to say I am no longer friends with 3 of them now after years of friendship. I don't know if this helps much at all. I watched none of the NG coverage and little of the local news coverage as we were busy with Hailey's grieving family, so I don't really know what was said in the news paper, net news, on tv or by the lawyers...

 

[TGIRecovered]

I am glad to see that you finally got verified StacieC, thank you for confirming where the leaks were coming from!

The info about the leaks coming from LE confirms what I was hearing from others who live in C-City from the first day that this body was found. When recieved this info, it had to be considered as rumor since I did not speak with any of the involved first responders personally. I believe that local LE really did think that they had found Hailey. MOO

The press has dropped this body like a hot potato! With all of the hoopla about this being Hailey, it seems they should at least follow up to see what clues LE has which could identify this person, who surely must have been a victim of foul play! Is this person less important just because they don't think it is Hailey? Whoever it is, it appears that someone hid the body and failed to report a death to LE, which sounds like probable murder to me!

 

[TxLady2]

LE purposely leaked false information, that it was a young female wrapped in a blanket and placed in a garbage bag??? And yet they knew immediately that it was a fully clothed elderly man?? Am I getting that right.
Color me stupified!!
So consider the reaction of the guilty party, whether it was Shawn or someone else.
They may not have wrapped the body in a blanket, nor put it in a garbage bag. And they didn't put it where this body was found. So when LE leaks that (false) information, the perp KNOWS it isn't Hailey, because the info doesn't match, so they have NO reaction at all. They're not worried in the least.
You know what? This makes LE look really, really stupid, IMO. They took an incredible chance just to get some kind of reaction from their POI and it backfired on them.
I just can't imagine.

 

[For The Kids]

Stacie theres one thing I was wondering if you could confirm? The week when the body was discovered although CJ said that she had seen Clint in Snyder..it was said repeatedly in the media that Clint was on a oil rig and couldnt get back. What is your take on this?

 

[Tugela]

LE purposely leaked false information, that it was a young female wrapped in a blanket and placed in a garbage bag??? And yet they knew immediately that it was a fully clothed elderly man?? Am I getting that right.
Color me stupified!!
So consider the reaction of the guilty party, whether it was Shawn or someone else.
They may not have wrapped the body in a blanket, nor put it in a garbage bag. And they didn't put it where this body was found. So when LE leaks that (false) information, the perp KNOWS it isn't Hailey, because the info doesn't match, so they have NO reaction at all. They're not worried in the least.
You know what? This makes LE look really, really stupid, IMO. They took an incredible chance just to get some kind of reaction from their POI and it backfired on them.
I just can't imagine.

LE didnt leak the information, individuals in LE did. That is an important distinction.

 

[Tugela]

Makes me think she is somewhere in that area.

If you believe that then you can't believe that SA was involved.

Going back to the original affidavits, LE claimed that the polygraph indicated that SA was being truthful when saying that HD could probably be found in Snyder. This doesn't mean that he knew she would be found there, just that he believed she would be found there. If he knew that she was in fact somewhere else the polygraph would have indicated deception, and it didn't. (note the distinction in the bolded parts please)

Keep in mind that LE was using the polygraph as an interogation tool (completely inappropriate) and under those conditions you would expect the person being interogated to be defensive and to register as being "deceptive" as a result. So, the truthfull result is extremely telling.

 

[StacieC]

<modsnip> As soon as the body was found many people here were metaphorically measuring out SA's prison cell. You can bet that the locals were doing the same. You are also forgeting that LE has been gunning for him in the absence of any evidence that he was involved in HD's dissappearance. So of course he is going to get a lawyer when a body widely described as 90% certain HD is found a short distance from where he was that day. Only an idiot wouldn't do that it under the circumstances

The only way that he could be confident that he wasn't being set up would be if he was the person responsible for HD's dissappearance and he knew it wasn't her. But that is not what happened.

His actions are entirely consistent with someone who did not know that it wasn't her but feared that he was getting set up.

I never thought about it that way... Thank you for that point of view.

 

[cluciano63]

Or...he knew he did not place her THERE and wondered and worried if someone moved her there and if there would still be evidence pertaining to him...

 

[ozazure]

I think the lie detector thing and SA saying she could be in scurry county is next to useless unless we know the exact questions and answers, and then only useful if the questions are specific and very exact in their meaning, no ambiguity for asker or askee. If he's innocent he can speculate and have probable theories that the lie detector wouldn't ping as lies, and if he's guilty he can say with all sincerity they should look at him and Billie and Scurry County - not that he wants them to, but that as LE they should!

 

[Aedrys]

If you believe that then you can't believe that SA was involved.

Going back to the original affidavits, LE claimed that the polygraph indicated that SA was being truthful when saying that HD could probably be found in Snyder. This doesn't mean that he knew she would be found there, just that he believed she would be found there. If he knew that she was in fact somewhere else the polygraph would have indicated deception, and it didn't. (note the distinction in the bolded parts please)

Keep in mind that LE was using the polygraph as an interogation tool (completely inappropriate) and under those conditions you would expect the person being interogated to be defensive and to register as being "deceptive" as a result. So, the truthfull result is extremely telling.

Or Billie was also involved and moved the body without telling SA. Or SA wasn't the one who got rid of the body. So maybe Billie lied to him and said she was in Snyder. We don't know who did the killing and who got rid of the body or how many people where involved. There are several scenarios where he could think she was one place when she wasn't.

Also, polygraph tests aren't definite. They are judged based on factors. If they were definite, they'd be used in court, and they're not. And there have been people that have tricked polygraph tests. So they aren't infallible either.

I just wish we knew the identity of the body found. Any idea when that's going to happen? Or is there a news website I should be following?

 

[TxLady2]

I think the lie detector thing and SA saying she could be in scurry county is next to useless unless we know the exact questions and answers, and then only useful if the questions are specific and very exact in their meaning, no ambiguity for asker or askee. If he's innocent he can speculate and have probable theories that the lie detector wouldn't ping as lies, and if he's guilty he can say with all sincerity they should look at him and Billie and Scurry County - not that he wants them to, but that as LE they should!

They ask direct questions in a polygraph that can only be answered with Yes or No. The person being tested is not allowed to elaborate on any answer. It is questions like: Did you kill Hailey Dunn? Do you know where she is? Were you involved in any way with her disappearance?
No theories, no speculation. Yes or No answers only.

 

[TxLady2]

If you believe that then you can't believe that SA was involved.

Going back to the original affidavits, LE claimed that the polygraph indicated that SA was being truthful when saying that HD could probably be found in Snyder. This doesn't mean that he knew she would be found there, just that he believed she would be found there. If he knew that she was in fact somewhere else the polygraph would have indicated deception, and it didn't. (note the distinction in the bolded parts please)

Keep in mind that LE was using the polygraph as an interogation tool (completely inappropriate) and under those conditions you would expect the person being interogated to be defensive and to register as being "deceptive" as a result. So, the truthfull result is extremely telling.

The polygraph is an investigative tool, and it is not inappropriate to use it as such. It's done all the time, in every case, and it gives LE an idea if someone is being deceptive. One or two deceptive answers would be normal. More than 10 would be very suspicious.
They do not normally ask open-ended questions, or allow elaborations on an answer. They only ask questions that can be answered with yes or no. They would have had to ask him specifically if Hailey was in Snyder, and I've never known of that happening unless they had already located a body or had some prior knowledge indicating where the body was. We know that is not true.
My guess is that this info didn't come up during the LDT, but when they were questioning him.

 

[TxLady2]

LE didnt leak the information, individuals in LE did. That is an important distinction.

So then why were the key detectives involved in her case notified of the discovery of these remains, including Tx Rangers, and so on? If this was just one lowly officer who leaked false information, then they would not have called out everybody involved in the case, nor would they have notified Billie and attempted to notify Clint. Somebody higher up had to have made that decision, it wasn't just some insignificant person who let something slip.
If this was an elaborate hoax by LE to make the suspect sweat, they did a pee-poor job of it and made themselves look like idiots in the bargain.