Rav4

[missy1974]

BCA ~ don't forget that some of those vehicles were there because they were in accidents and yes, maybe fatal one's. I think any hits were investigated and nothing was found (in regards to the vehicles).

 

[BigCityAccountant]

BCA ~ don't forget that some of those vehicles were there because they were in accidents and yes, maybe fatal one's. I think any hits were investigated and nothing was found (in regards to the vehicles).

Ok, I understand the logic--however--that would mean that the cadaver dog would have hit on multiple locations, as those vehicles would have to have been scattered around the lot. For instance, over hear, then over there, the dog would have been hitting on multiple locations, not just this one. Which leads me to believe she was in that location at some point. Could also explain why none of the Avery's saw the vehicle back there during the day of the 4th. I wonder where this is on the lot?

I haven't heard that the cadaver dog hit on multiple locations, but I did hear that it did hit on this location.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Ok....very interesting....

I took the Austin-Forensic-Mapping-PowerPoint and increased the size to like 800%. The area appears to be right up in front off the road by the Dassey residence. Looks like the picture was taken after the car was found, as the entrances are blocked off.
You can see someone standing by the grey vehicle across from the white vehicle.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...nd-122-Austin-Forensic-Mapping-PowerPoint.pdf

 

[MysticJynx]

There has been questions brought up I believe here and else where about this one ODD picture found in the bunch that don't seem to fit as being her car because of the rusted color around the Passengers Front Door. However I was inspecting it again today. It is an odd picture. I put it in my photo shop and lightened the picture and the rust is not the only weird thing to me. There is something behind the rear wheel too, What is that?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There has been questions brought up I believe here and else where about this one ODD picture found in the bunch that don't seem to fit as being her car because of the rusted color around the Passengers Front Door. However I was inspecting it again today. It is an odd picture. I put it in my photo shop and lightened the picture and the rust is not the only weird thing to me. There is something behind the rear wheel too, What is that?

This picture is so poor that I can't tell what is what.

Is this from photo manipulation?

 

[missy1974]

There has been questions brought up I believe here and else where about this one ODD picture found in the bunch that don't seem to fit as being her car because of the rusted color around the Passengers Front Door. However I was inspecting it again today. It is an odd picture. I put it in my photo shop and lightened the picture and the rust is not the only weird thing to me. There is something behind the rear wheel too, What is that?

weird LOL I have always wondered why it looks rusted... and all that dust? it didn't look that dusty when Pam took her photo's. What that is back there.... I dunno, but it looks funny for sure.

 

[missy1974]

This picture is so poor that I can't tell what is what.

Is this from photo manipulation?

this is an exhibit photo..... again, they can be found at http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/exhibit-RAV4-door-2.jpg

 

[Hippiemomof5]

I've read numerous times that the coloring is a reflection of the wood wall, not rust.

 

[missy1974]

Ok, I understand the logic--however--that would mean that the cadaver dog would have hit on multiple locations, as those vehicles would have to have been scattered around the lot. For instance, over hear, then over there, the dog would have been hitting on multiple locations, not just this one. Which leads me to believe she was in that location at some point. Could also explain why none of the Avery's saw the vehicle back there during the day of the 4th. I wonder where this is on the lot?

I haven't heard that the cadaver dog hit on multiple locations, but I did hear that it did hit on this location.

I have read that they had multiple dogs (not all were cadaver)... that hit on multiple spots. We only heard from one dog handler in the testimony, but there were more dogs there. At the moment... I can't remember in who's testimony I read it and it could have been in more than one officers. Even Brutus hit on multiple spots IIRC

 

[Madeleine74]

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Yes, there were several dogs used. They used the dogs to search every car on that lot after TH's SUV was found. They were looking for TH at that point, and didn't find her in any of those vehicles. It's in testimony.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

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Yes, there were several dogs used. They used the dogs to search every car on that lot after TH's SUV was found. They were looking for TH at that point, and didn't find her in any of those vehicles. It's in testimony.

Ok...Thanks Missie and Madeline!! I found it in the transcripts. I should have looked there first!

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1 right? You don't have to watch CSI to know that.
2 At least a first kind of sweep, or a first kind
3 of look through, or a first kind of search of all
4 of these residences are to try to find obvious
5 signs of a crime if, in fact, a crime did occur,
6 or something that is going to help law
7 enforcement find Teresa Halbach. Why I say all
8 that is because Steven Avery -- With search
9 warrant in hand, Steven Avery's residence was
10 searched on the 5th.
11 Now, again, we're looking for Teresa's
12 body, hopefully alive, but if not, it is
13 important to find if she's on that property.
14 Steven Avery's garage is searched, other
15 residences, all of the other buildings on the
16 residence are searched, the salvage business
17 itself. But the 4,000 vehicles, in what you will
18 hear was a torrential downpour, were also
19 examined for the first time on the evening of the
20 5th.
21 Now, law enforcement officers were
22 involved in that, but Brutus' friends were also
23 involved in that, other canines, the rest of the
24 team, the other search and rescue animals, the
25 canines, were taken in a downpour, in the pitch 1 dark, out on a 40 acre property. And everyone of
2 these cars was encircled by one of those dogs
3 trying to find Teresa Halbach.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Ok....very interesting....

I took the Austin-Forensic-Mapping-PowerPoint and increased the size to like 800%. The area appears to be right up in front off the road by the Dassey residence. Looks like the picture was taken after the car was found, as the entrances are blocked off.
You can see someone standing by the grey vehicle across from the white vehicle.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...nd-122-Austin-Forensic-Mapping-PowerPoint.pdf

Ok...now I'm even more intrigued by this location.... Did he let the cat out of the bag? Doesn't mean he killed her, but her certainly didn't mention that to anyone else when he was asked about it.

6 A. He told me that she was there, there was a
7 vehicle behind the office garage and she was
8 taken to the vehicle to be photographed. That
9 was about -- That was her purpose for being
10 there.

So, it would appear from Mr. Beach's testimony that SA admits to her in this location--that's why the search and rescue dog hit there.

 

[Sarah]

I was having a look at more photographs of the junkyard last night and there were a couple of angles I hadn't seen before, so I thought I'd share them here.
Shadowraiths, could we possibly have a 'pictures only' sticky thread to copy these to as well? It would be good to have all this type of stuff in one easily accessible place.

Two things that stood out to me :

I hadn't really appreciated just how concealed the RAV4 actually was before seeing the 4th picture with the view from the yard.
I'd always assumed the location was to do with convenience and proximity to the crusher, but it seems to me now that this was also a better hiding place than I originally thought. The ridge is off the beaten track from the main salvage yard, it has a natural barrier of trees and it's parked in the only spot on the ridge that has cars to the right hand side between it and anyone looking up towards it.

After looking (and I mean really looking properly) at the red car it was double parked against, I'm reconsidering whether the RAV4 was used to shunt the red car out of the way to make room to park. It would explain why it was left parked so close up against it and be consistent with the damage to the RAV4. It's really making me re-think the 'hit a deer' idea, even though that theory makes sense to me in so many other ways. But if the damage occurred when parking, why bother picking up the light and putting it back in the RAV4? Are the two concepts even inconsistent with one another? I suppose there could have been a 'deer incident' AND the RAV4 was later used to shunt the red car. Although that feels a bit like having your cake and eating it to me LOL

 

[missy1974]

Just a quick thought Sarah, since I really should be in bed LOL I don't think it was used to move the other car over... wouldn't they know just from the weeds and stuff around it? and if that is how the damage happened.... where is the missing wheel well? My guess is, that red car was there for quite awhile... it also didn't have wheels... and I just think it would have been more noticeable if it was 'pushed over'.

I'm even more sceptical since I read that Earl went through there on the Wednesday or Thursday before it was found. He said he was rabbit hunting and was up that way. I don't know how they could have gone past it and not noticed it. There is kind of a road there... the RAV4 would have stuck out. The back tire wasn't even covered.

I dunno LOL this dang RAV4... the dang key.... LOL dang case! ;-)

 

[Sarah]

I also found this interesting.
A poster on the Reddit site has mapped out two possible approaches to the ridge, consistent with the direction the RAV4 was facing.

It makes it seem even more unlikely to me that somebody unfamiliar with the yard would take that convoluted route in from the rear and end up parking in that particular spot.

View attachment 89879

 

[Sarah]

Just a quick thought Sarah, since I really should be in bed LOL I don't think it was used to move the other car over... wouldn't they know just from the weeds and stuff around it? and if that is how the damage happened.... where is the missing wheel well? My guess is, that red car was there for quite awhile... it also didn't have wheels... and I just think it would have been more noticeable if it was 'pushed over'.

I'm even more sceptical since I read that Earl went through there on the Wednesday or Thursday before it was found. He said he was rabbit hunting and was up that way. I don't know how they could have gone past it and not noticed it. There is kind of a road there... the RAV4 would have stuck out. The back tire wasn't even covered.

I dunno LOL this dang RAV4... the dang key.... LOL dang case! ;-)

Yep - This whole dang case. I'm with you on that one!
I'm off to see whether I can find any photo from other angles with more details of the weeds LOL

I really want you to be right because the deer theory makes so much more sense to me - but it seems such a coincidence that one car just happens to be out of line leaving an ideal spot to dump the RAV4.
Aaaaaaarrrrggghhhh!!!

Good Night and looking forward to catching up with your thoughts tomorrow (or maybe later tonight on UK time)

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I was having a look at more photographs of the junkyard last night and there were a couple of angles I hadn't seen before, so I thought I'd share them here.
Shadowraiths, could we possibly have a 'pictures only' sticky thread to copy these to as well? It would be good to have all this type of stuff in one easily accessible place.

Two things that stood out to me :

I hadn't really appreciated just how concealed the RAV4 actually was before seeing the 4th picture with the view from the yard.
I'd always assumed the location was to do with convenience and proximity to the crusher, but it seems to me now that this was also a better hiding place than I originally thought. The ridge is off the beaten track from the main salvage yard, it has a natural barrier of trees and it's parked in the only spot on the ridge that has cars to the right hand side between it and anyone looking up towards it.

After looking (and I mean really looking properly) at the red car it was double parked against, I'm reconsidering whether the RAV4 was used to shunt the red car out of the way to make room to park. It would explain why it was left parked so close up against it and be consistent with the damage to the RAV4. It's really making me re-think the 'hit a deer' idea, even though that theory makes sense to me in so many other ways. But if the damage occurred when parking, why bother picking up the light and putting it back in the RAV4? Are the two concepts even inconsistent with one another? I suppose there could have been a 'deer incident' AND the RAV4 was later used to shunt the red car. Although that feels a bit like having your cake and eating it to me LOL

Thanks for the pictures Sarah! I hadn't seen these before. I did notice how tall the grass was there, almost up to their knees in some places. In the 1st picture it looks like the car next to it is parked crooked, but I don't see that in the others. I first questioned the trees being on both sides and Pam being able to see it from the car crusher, then I realized one of your pictures shows the officer guarding the car in the picture, so I guess she really could see the car from the crusher as the leaves on the trees had already fallen.

I also proposed the idea that the damage was done by the car next to it when the RAV 4 was parked. Why bother throwing the light in the truck. Well, easy...Don't leave the evidence behind to show her vehicle was there. If LE doesn't find the car--then there is no reason for a search warrant to be issued, thus the other evidence can never be found.

By the way, does anyone know what they do with the crushed cars? Do they leave them onsite or take them somewhere else like the dump?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I actually haven't made it all the way through the trial yet. I didn't realize the blood on the passenger door was on the driver's side. I've always thought it was on the passenger side for some reason.

 

[missy1974]

BCA ~ it was on the passenger side, back door.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/exhibit-RAV4-blood-7.jpg

ETA: they found nothing on the exterior side doors. On the back cargo door, is where there was unidentified male DNA. (partial profile I think)

 

[BigCityAccountant]

BCA ~ it was on the passenger side, back door.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/exhibit-RAV4-blood-7.jpg

ETA: they found nothing on the exterior side doors. On the back cargo door, is where there was unidentified male DNA. (partial profile I think)

Ok, the trial exhibits show that there was 6 places the defendant's blood was found, do we know where all 6 were?