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  • #281
I had posted this to support my opinion on the other thread but it was deleted ( wrong thread to post it in)

It's not uncommon for narcissists to be somewhat more agreeable as parents when their children are younger and easier to control. Many children of narcissistic parents report that their parents weren't as emotionally abusive when the children were young preschoolers - or were pre-adolescents. Some narcissists pay plenty of attention to small children, who make excellent captive audiences that narcissists find fun to impress and manipulate, only to completely turn away from (or turn against) those same children in later years. However, some narcissists dislike all children on the whole and have no interest in them at any age. To these narcissists, all children are viewed as nothing but an annoyance.

Narcissists don't like to be questioned and don't want to deal with children who can stand up for themselves. It's common for some narcissistic parents to become more abusive toward their children when the children reach the age of reason (about 7 years old) or when the children enter into puberty, which many of these parents find very psychologically threatening.


More Here: http://www.lightshouse.org/the-narcissistic-parent.html#ixzz2fj9rNVYW

The family secret is that the parents are not meeting the children's emotional needs or they are abusive in some way. This is the norm in the narcissistic family. The message to the children: "Don't tell the outside world...pretend everything is fine."

Image:
The narcissistic family is all about image. The message is: we are bigger, better, have no problems, and we must put on the face of perfection. Children get the messages: "What would the neighbors think?" "What would the relatives think?" What would our friends think?" These are common fears in the family. "Always put a smile on that pretty little face."

Negative Messages:
Children are given spoken and unspoken messages that get internalized. Those messages typically are: "You're not good enough." "You don't measure up." "You are valued for what you do rather than for who you are."

Lack of Parental Hierarchy:
In healthy families there is a strong parental hierarchy where the parents are in charge and shining love, light, guidance, and direction down to the children. In narcissistic families the hierarchy is non-existent. The children are there to serve parental needs.

Lack of Emotional Tune-In:
Narcissistic parents lack the ability to emotionally tune in to their kids. They cannot feel and show empathy or unconditional love. They are typically critical and judgmental.

Lack of Effective Communication:
The most common type of communication in narcissistic families is through triangulation. This is where information is told through one party about another in hopes it will get back to the other party. Information is not direct. Family members talk about each other to other members of the family, but don't confront the individuals directly. Alas, causing the creation of passive-aggressive behavior, tension, and mistrust among family members. When communication is direct, it is often in the form of anger or rage.

Unclear Boundaries:
There are few boundaries in the narcissistic family. Children's feelings are not considered important. Diaries are read, physical boundaries not kept, and emotional boundaries not respected. The right to privacy is not typically a part of the family history.

One Parent Narcissistic, The Other Orbits:
If one parent is narcissistic, it is common for the other parent to have to revolve around the narcissist to keep the marriage intact. Many times the other parent has redeeming qualities to give to the children, but is tied up meeting the needs of the narcissistic spouse. This often leaves the children's needs unmet. Who is there for them?

Siblings Are Not Encouraged To Be Close:
In healthy families, we encourage our children to be loving and close to each other. In narcissistic families, children are pitted against each other and taught competition. There is a constant comparison of who is doing better and who is not. Some children are favored or seen as the golden child and others become the scape-goat for the parents projected negative feelings. Siblings in narcissistic families rarely grow up feeling emotionally connected to each other.

Feelings:
Feelings are denied and not discussed. Children are not taught to embrace their emotions and process them in realistic ways. They are taught to stuff, repress, and are told their feelings don't matter. Narcissistic parents are typically not in touch with their own feelings and therefore project them onto others. This causes a lack of accountability and honesty...not to mention other psychological disorders. If we don't process feelings, they do leak out in other unhealthy ways.

Not Good Enough Messages:
These messages come across loud and clear in the narcissistic family. Some parents actually speak this message in various ways and others just model it to the children. Even with arrogant and boastful behavior, under the veneer of a narcissist is a self-loathing psyche that gets passed to the child.

The Dysfunction Can Be Obvious or Covert:
In narcissist families, the dynamics can be seen or disguised. The dysfunction displayed in violent and abusive homes is usually obvious. Emotional and psychological abuse, as well as neglectful parenting, is often hidden. Where the drama is not displayed as openly to the outside world, it is just as or more damaging to the children.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201105/the-narcissistic-family-portrait
 
  • #282
I think Burke, involved in some way or not, probably felt relieved the golden child was gone.
Patsy being a narcissist explains all of his odd behavior without him being directly involved.
 
  • #283
The round marks on JonBenet really trouble me. I studied the pictures on several sites and found the one of her in the red and white sundress where her leg shows two marks.

I am of the mindset that Patsy kept a taser close by. Could it be possible that Patsy tased her daughter as punishment? And that is why she has so many taser-like marks on her little body at Christmas.

Didn't the housekeeper inform LE that Patsy would take JB into the bathroom and she could hear little JonBenet screaming and crying?

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  • #284
The round marks on JonBenet really trouble me. I studied the pictures on several sites and found the one of her in the red and white sundress where her leg shows two marks.

I am of the mindset that Patsy kept a taser close by. Could it be possible that Patsy tased her daughter as punishment? And that is why she has so many taser-like marks on her little body at Christmas.

Didn't the housekeeper inform LE that Patsy would take JB into the bathroom and she could hear little JonBenet screaming and crying?

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Those are similar to the marks near her neck on the autopsy photos. Some speculate they match up with sections of BR's train tracks.
 
  • #285
Those are similar to the marks near her neck on the autopsy photos. Some speculate they match up with sections of BR's train tracks.

Yes, thank you, and I understand the tracks as a possible match. Marks or abrasions similar to those typically made on the skin by a taser gun or the train tracks are found near her neck, on her back and on her face, IIRC, similar to the abrasions visible on her leg in the image. Saw her APs a while back and don't need to go there at this particular time. I hate them like KoldKase does but can reread her AR.

In no particular order, a few questions are listed for anyone who feels up to answering them. TIA
  • Has a sleuth conducted a painstaking experiment with a similar piece of train track to see if it would abrade the skin in a fashion resembling her roundish abrasions? Can a type of cloth be used between the taser and the skin to help prevent a scorched abrasion? Tasers, developed by a 40yom as a method of riot control, were in their infancy in the 70s so they weren't in use in the Philippines while JR was at Subic Bay Training Center in 1968-9. How were taser guns acquired 17 yrs ago? Were tasers sold via mail order, the internet and in 🤬🤬🤬🤬 shops in Denver?

  • The intentional blow to the head was powerful enough to force a huge hole out of this child's small skull bone. How much velocity did that require?

  • What are the favorite meanings for the innocuous acronym SBTC or is there a thread for that? My vote is on dual connotations of Subic Bay Training Center and also, cleverly enough, Saved by the Cross. A cross was symbolized by the gold charm on JonBenet's necklace. Any new or old thoughts about the usage of the word for winning: Victory! As in: This Victory is mine and I am Vic-tor-ious! Perhaps this topic belongs in the Ransom Note thread.

  • Why was AH so eager to sabotage the investigation from the beginning? Was it R money, power and privilege? Or a personal relationship with him? Was AH a guest at the R home on Dec 23?

  • The JAR semen soiled comforter and Dr. Seuss book inside the Samsonite luggage is most strange. Were the bedding and book part of the pretend break-in staging or was it coincidental that the rather incriminating items appear inside the piece of evidence? His semen is understandable or explicable since it was his college bedding but when placed along with a children's storybook? Shivers. It would seem to indicate Beth, JAR, BR, JonBenet and at least one other R were involved in disgusting incestuous situations. How sad for them. What is JAR doing these days?

  • Does it seem logical that IF IF a behavior such as MSbP affected a narcissistic Patsy, in a way that, while premeditating her daughter's murder, she planned and intended to bask in the glory of the media circuit's limelight to fulfill the intense need for attention she battled just as she sought the attention from friends asap and how dare LE beg for her to discuss it? Her beautiful baby girl died on Christmas Day. She never had to be concerned that JB would be sharing JRs, nor Nedra's, affection again. She slowly, surely and intentionally wrote The Tragedy of Miss Jean Brodie Ransom Note; the ransom note of the century; and, most likely, before the deadly affair actually occurred. A lot of time was spent torturing the body, while JB slowly stopped breathing, and plenty of time afterward, too. And maybe more time was spent with the body than was spent with the note on that night that left JonBenet's body methodically brutalized and viciously assaulted.

  • Her white blanket seems to be applied while in the body was in rigor. Was it possibly grabbed from the clothes dryer during the time JR was MIA? Was that time frame 10:40 - noon? The blanket is not lovingly wrapped around that innocent child but intended to conceal. The histrionic kidnap scenario was always a part of the plan to deceive. The evidence and everything we know and don't know was orchestrated by a one horse team driven by their own narcissistic needs.

BR probably feels no need to author a tell-all book for us or himself. It's best he stick with belief in the IDI and almost all of the people in the world are wrongly accusing the RDI bc they are wealthy and we are jealous, evil, and corrupt.

Chelly ~ just realized your avatar is not only an eye but also a timepiece. Clever.
 
  • #286
I saw a photo on WS of a match between train track and skin abrasion on neck some time ago. I think the experiment was performed by someone other than a WS. When time allows, will try to find it. Perhaps someone who also recalls that photo and the testing can access it quicker than I.
 
  • #287
Links to Nedra Paugh's take on what S.B.T.C. stood for:


  1. s-donald-nedra-paugh.htm - ACandyRose


    www.acandyrose.com/s-donald-nedra-paugh.htm‎
    Dec 2, 2008 - Nedra's suspect list included Tom Carson and said S.B.T.C stood for "Son of a ***** Tom Carson." He was behind getting her fired from the ...

  2. s-evidence-sbtc.htm - ACandyRose


    www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-sbtc.htm‎
    I certainly have chased leads far and wide on SBTC and has that, and over the last four ... ST: You mom thinks it's son of a ***** Tom Carson. .... "Nedra gave us some two dozen suspects off the top of her head, and when we asked if the initials ...

  3. s-tom-carson.htm - ACandyRose


    www.acandyrose.com/s-tom-carson.htm‎
    Feb 15, 2008 - (Nedra's SBTC Suspect) John Ramsey said, "I didn't trust ... PR: (Inaudible) ST: You mom thinks it's son of a ***** Tom Carson. PT: (Inaudible)

 
  • #288
i agree with this one million percent. i'm starting to change my opinion that John Ramsey was the one sexually abusing Jon Benet. The more I read, the more I think it was Patsy. I agree with the Munchausen by Proxy. I had a case just like this when I worked in the intake department of Child Protective Services. It was one of my first cases. The mother was continually bringing the child into the doctor for all sorts of incontinence issues, vaginal infections, etc... Thank god this doctor called it in after the third time in 4 months the mother brought the child in. It ended up having to be referred to the specialized child sexual abuse department in our county CPS department. I didn't hear anything else about the case until the mother's name was on the news for being arrested for sexual abuse a month later. I remember the father had NO idea what was going on. This was six years ago. My mom is a pediatric nurse practitioner and she said over her 20 years there they also had one case like this. Although it's not common, it does happen. And IMO, Patsy fits the profile of the type of mother who would do this.

Typically Munchausen by Proxy is seen in repeated hospitalizations and ER visits. IMO the payoff to PR was higher from the pediatrician. The ER or hospital would have reported their suspicions to CPS. PR could not risk that, due to her lofty aspirations of being within the social elite of Boulder. I do think she had additional supporting diagnoses, such as narcissism and perhaps BPD. Now that PR is deceased, I think the case is probably over. The truth will never come to light IMO. JR has remarried, is broke, has lost his social standing in many communities from what I have read. BR needs to be left to grow up and lead his own life IMO. As I stated in previous posts, both parents were IMV complicit in the death of their daughter. Their reputation and social standing far outweighed the value of their daughter and disclosing what truly happened. Sometimes Karma is a *****. JMO
 
  • #289
I saw a photo on WS of a match between train track and skin abrasion on neck some time ago. I think the experiment was performed by someone other than a WS. When time allows, will try to find it. Perhaps someone who also recalls that photo and the testing can access it quicker than I.

Do you mean these, from Chief Kolar's Powerpoint presentation?

Both comparisons of the "coupled bruises" to the prongs of a Taser stun gun and the train tracks are on this thread.

CAUTION! GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PHOTOS: [ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10191"]Kolar's PowerPoint comparison photos: GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PICS!! - Forums For Justice[/ame]


I believe those marks are from her back, as we can see the livor mortis from the waistband of her long-john bottoms?
 
  • #290
[
QUOTE=Darlene733510;9856947]I am still pondering over what caused the head injury to JB. By chance, I saw an episode of Law And Order last week. A man who died had two head injuries. One of them near his temple, which they thought did not kill him. He had another injury at the back of his head. This was the injury which they decided had caused his death. The final conclusion about this injury was that his head was slammed against a concrete floor.
I am still wondering if JB's head could have been slammed against a hard surface, maybe in the bathroom, kitchen, bedroom, or anywhere else
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Wasn't that the Steve Thomas theory? I haven't read the book for a while, but I seem to remember he thought Patsy had "accidently" hit JonBenet's head on the tub?
 
  • #291
Do you mean these, from Chief Kolar's Powerpoint presentation?

Both comparisons of the "coupled bruises" to the prongs of a Taser stun gun and the train tracks are on this thread.

CAUTION! GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PHOTOS: Kolar's PowerPoint comparison photos: GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PICS!! - Forums For Justice


I believe those marks are from her back, as we can see the livor mortis from the waistband of her long-john bottoms?

YES!!!! Thank you, thank you thank you KoldKase. I've been searching WS, but it was FFJ where they were posted. Whew! You put my frustration to an end. Well, not ALL my frustration, only the frustration associated to the train track abrasion photos. LOL!
 
  • #292
YES!!!! Thank you, thank you thank you KoldKase. I've been searching WS, but it was FFJ where they were posted. Whew! You put my frustration to an end. Well, not ALL my frustration, only the frustration associated to the train track abrasion photos. LOL!

Glad to help. It's so easy to get lost on this case from forum to forum and discussion to discussion. I know I have to check my own "statistics" page to find where I even read last. :findinglink:
 
  • #293
Glad to help. It's so easy to get lost on this case from forum to forum and discussion to discussion. I know I have to check my own "statistics" page to find where I even read last. :findinglink:

Some days, I feel that I've forgotten more than <modsnip>!

Then something will spark a memory...and I get all revved up to discuss something we haven't discussed in a very long time!
 
  • #294
Some days, I feel that I've forgotten more <modsnip>
Then something will spark a memory...and I get all revved up to discuss something we haven't discussed in a very long time!

BBM: Yes, I feel like I have forgotten more about this case than a lot of folks have ever know. I am not casting aspirations on anyone by that statement...

Just like something sparked my memory about the "Gentleman Burglar of Atlanta." Such a nice fellow, that one....LMAO

JMO
 
  • #295
Some days, I feel that I've forgotten <modsnip>!

gonna re-post something from cynic in light of this ^^^

Just to be clear. There are no full profiles in this case. There are only partial profiles and mixed partial profiles.

The &#8220;strongest&#8221; DNA in this case is from Distal Stain 007-2. It made it into CODIS by the "skin of its teeth" with 10 markers.

With respect to &#8220;matching,&#8221; the DS007-2 does match the TDNA from the waistband on the leggings/long johns, however, even though marker counts were given for some items at the Cold Case Task Force presentation in 2009 which Kolar attended, Andy Horita was very tight lipped about how many markers were found on the leggings. Why??? I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s because he was ashamed, but, regardless, he did say that it was weaker than DS007-2, therefore, less than 10, it could even be 5 or less for all we know. (Which would explain why he didn&#8217;t share the amount.)

It depends, if the marker count is 5, as an example, it may be coincidental.

If it&#8217;s closer to 9, then it&#8217;s likely the same, but given that these two items were in contact with each other on her body and that we are not privy to evidence storage procedures, the result may the consequence of contamination via transfer.

It may also be from transfer at the morgue through sequential handling by the coroner.

There is a very good discussion thread over at FFJ outlining a number of issues that could lead to the type of DNA problems seen here.
Problems with DNA results & DNA tutorials - Forums For Justice

I&#8217;m not tired of hearing that the DNA means &#8220;nothing&#8221; because, although it may be hyperbole, it&#8217;s a nice change from John Ramsey, Lin Wood and a cadre of Ramsey shills saying it means everything.

You are absolutely right about examining a case and forming conclusions based on the totality of the evidence. This is standard investigative procedure, or at least it should be. We cannot allow our heads to be turned by every stray, broken strand of DNA if the evidence points elsewhere.

--from kolar thread, post #38

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  • #296
Has anyone ever written to Bode and asked for the actual reports on ALL the samples?

Trichia knows a DNA expert.
 
  • #297
Has anyone ever written to Bode and asked for the actual reports on ALL the samples?

Trichia knows a DNA expert.
Yes, SuperDave did. Answer: No
 
  • #298
Has anyone ever written to Bode and asked for the actual reports on ALL the samples?

Trichia knows a DNA expert.

You might have to be at least a DA to get any traction there.

Gee, I wonder why those reports aren't public?

Might it have something to do with DA's undermining the office?

<modsnip>


:blushing:
 
  • #299
You might have to be at least a DA to get any traction there.

Gee, I wonder why those reports aren't public?

Might it have something to do with DA's undermining the office?

<modsnip>

:blushing:

Probably because it's an ongoing,but cold, case it is legally protected from FOIA.

The only people that can truly investigate Obama and make it public are journalists...and they aren't interested.
 
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