RDI Theories & Discussion ONLY!

[elannia]

Did they check for FP on the tablet and sharpie. I know the ramseys prints should be on there but hey the flashlight was wiped down so.. and does anything in this case make sense. IOW if it was premeditated she probably would have not used her own tablet and sharpie. Since this was an accident I guess she put gloves on to write it but had to use her own tablet and sharpie since she probably couldnt rush to the store to get them

Lol if that even makes sense. Im just guessing here. None of us knows what happened that night

 

[elannia]

What else I dont get is why not tell 911( if this was a real kidnapping) to send unmarked cars and not the cruisers and the other details of the RN I mean she already called them even though the note said not to and first said theres a ran them blurted note. Why not say ransom note why change it. And she just "hangs up" on the dispatcher. I know I would be freaking out if I was in that situation but what if the dispatcher needed more info. guess thats because burke walked in the room and she freaked. I think she may have ran up and down the stairs a few times before calling 911. Moo

 

[Tawny]

It's even more interesting that there were "no fingerprints" considering they both claimed that at least PR picked up the note to read it.

 

[Salem]

Aye! But this is the RDI thread. So your post is out of place. Please stay on topic.

Salem

BBM

Not true. An intruder who used the notepad could have done so in the exact same fashion as the Ramseys or anyone else. And, anyone can wear gloves.
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

BBM



Think about the whole process from start to finish from picking up the notepad to finally leaving it sans the the four pages (including the practice note). When thinking about...also consider that unlike the Ramsey situation, the entire trip of the ransom note happens before or "in between" JonBenet's murder. Where as in the Ramsey's situation it can only happen 'after" JonBenet is dead (or at least after the killer has assumed she is dead)

My reply is on the “IDI...” thread: http://tinyurl.com/myewbk6
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AK

 

[elannia]

I have seen alot on the other posts about patsy finding the RN on the stairs. Then john fernie seeing it through the door. Now if patsy did was the killer she could just say thats where she found it but actually kept it elsewhere. She said she was the only one who used those back stairs so how would an intruder know that. Unless intruder was a family friend and she said oh I always come down the back stairs in the morning... nah. I think that was her story about finding the RN but she had it put up and if john wasnt involved then she told him thats where she found it. So I think that she waits around for john to wake up(if he wasnt involved) then yells shows him the RN calls the police. I cant remember but did john hand the note to officer french? Or did he show him where it was. Moo

 

[THE BUNK]

What else I dont get is why not tell 911( if this was a real kidnapping) to send unmarked cars and not the cruisers and the other details of the RN I mean she already called them even though the note said not to and first said theres a ran them blurted note. Why not say ransom note why change it. And she just "hangs up" on the dispatcher. I know I would be freaking out if I was in that situation but what if the dispatcher needed more info. guess thats because burke walked in the room and she freaked. I think she may have ran up and down the stairs a few times before calling 911. Moo

I'm glad you brought the topic of the hang-up.

1. How do the Ramsey's know the operator got the info? Why wouldn't they call 911 again to make sure.

2. Why was there a hang up in the first place. Why a hang-up and not the phone handle being dropped by Patsy out of grief.

3. Why was John not at the vicinity to take over for his wife, while she was falling to pieces making this call? What could there possibly be for John to do? If they are calling the police, they already have it in their mind that the police are going to take over and handle everything from this point. There is nothing further to do but to console his family and wait for the police?

4. The biggest advantage of Patsy hanging up that call is that it prevents the dispatch from asking questions. Questions both John and her may not have answers to just yet. But placing the call does set the reason for Jonbenet being killed in motion. That probably was the only purpose that call had.

 

[elannia]

I'm glad you brought the topic of the hang-up.

1. How do the Ramsey's know the operator got the info? Why wouldn't they call 911 again to make sure.

2. Why was there a hang up in the first place. Why a hang-up and not the phone handle being dropped by Patsy out of grief.

3. Why was John not at the vicinity to take over for his wife, while she was falling to pieces making this call? What could there possibly be for John to do? If they are calling the police, they already have it in their mind that the police are going to take over and handle everything from this point. There is nothing further to do but to console his family and wait for the police?

4. The biggest advantage of Patsy hanging up that call is that it prevents the dispatch from asking questions. Questions both John and her may not have answers to just yet. But placing the call does set the reason for Jonbenet being killed in motion. That probably was the only purpose that call had.

Thank you... great post. They had to call 911 because they just couldnt leave her body in the house. And there was no time to dump the body (which I really dont see them doing that I really believe it was an accident but they just couldnt go through the media and all the pressure of being a child murderer) so they staged the scene to make ut look like IDI.

 

[otg]

Happy birthday, JonBenet.

Long article (mostly IDI slant):
http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2014/08/06/jonbenet-ramsey-24-today/9070/

 

[THE BUNK]

Happy birthday, JonBenet.

Long article (mostly IDI slant):
http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2014/08/06/jonbenet-ramsey-24-today/9070/

Happy Birthday, JonBenet. My prayers are with you.

 

[cynic]

Happy birthday, JonBenet.

Long article (mostly IDI slant):
http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2014/08/06/jonbenet-ramsey-24-today/9070/

Happy birthday, JonBenet.

In regards to the article, mostly IDI slant, you say. That is quite an understatement, LOL.
The key to this article is the following:
Years later, long after Smit finished his work on the case, he invited me and Denver Post reporter Kevin Vaughan, who is now a senior editor at The Denver Post, into his house.
In the basement he showed a power-point presentation on the wall that laid out the major findings of his exhaustive investigation in intricate detail. It took most of the day.

Mistakes and misinformation aplenty.
A couple of examples:
The twin bruises were the same shape and the exact distance apart – to the millimeter – as marks left by a common stun gun.

There was a mark on her finger indicating she was struggling with the binding while she was still alive.

 

[elannia]

I have seen alot on the other posts about patsy finding the RN on the stairs. Then john fernie seeing it through the door. Now if patsy did was the killer she could just say thats where she found it but actually kept it elsewhere. She said she was the only one who used those back stairs so how would an intruder know that. Unless intruder was a family friend and she said oh I always come down the back stairs in the morning... nah. I think that was her story about finding the RN but she had it put up and if john wasnt involved then she told him thats where she found it. So I think that she waits around for john to wake up(if he wasnt involved) then yells shows him the RN calls the police. I cant remember but did john hand the note to officer french? Or did he show him where it was. Moo

Ok. Is anyone reading my posts here. Lol just putting different scenarios together to get some input

 

[cynic]

Ok. Is anyone reading my posts here. Lol just putting different scenarios together to get some input

With respect to the location of the RN when the police arrived, there are conflicting stories.
In the 1998 LE interview, JR claims he handed the RN immediately to Officer French, however the account in ST’s book and in the Bonita Papers indicates that the RN was left on the floor for the police to see, where JR claimed to have initially read it.

LOU SMIT: Just try to take it in slow steps. You know what you did with the officer and how you proceeded then; (INAUDIBLE)?
JOHN RAMSEY: We were standing in the hallway. We were handing him the note trying to explain and convince him that we had a problem. And at some point he asked us all to go into this room here and stay there.
LOU SMIT: That's the solarium?
JOHN RAMSEY: Right. The Fernies and the Whites were arriving at sometime between - I think he got there first. But at some point he kind of shepherded us all in there and asked us all to stay there. (INAUDIBLE)
LOU SMIT: What did you do with the note?
JOHN RAMSEY: I gave it to him. I think at that point he kept it. I mean I don't remember him giving it back to me. I do remember later we had, I think they made copies but we had it spread out on the table back here just trying to figure out what we could figure out.

"Another tech saw the ransom note on the bottom step of the spiral staircase and photographed it there. But the photograph lied. The note had traveled from the stairs, possibly into Patsy's hands, then had been spread out on the hallway floor where John Ramsey and the police had read it, and French had put it back on the stairs. The photograph, which was supposed to show exactly where evidence had been discovered, was inaccurate."
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 20

Officer Rick French was dispatched to 755 15th Street in Boulder at approximately 5:52 a.m. on the report of a possible kidnapping. He was met at the door by the distraught Patsy and by John who told him that their six-year-old daughter was missing and their nine-year-old son was asleep upstairs. Patsy, hysterical and apparently confused about the sequence of the mornings events, told officer French that she went into JonBenet’s bedroom at approximately 5:45 a.m. that morning to wake her up for the trip and saw that she was not in bed. As she was coming down the spiral staircase she found the note stating that her daughter had been kidnapped. John then lead French through the house and pointed out a three page handwritten note which still lay on the hallway floor next to the kitchen.
-Bonita Papers

And finally, here is the depiction from the movie, Perfect Murder, Perfect Town:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtNGUD3jqcs

In terms of who handled the note and when (not that I believe any of this happened) the Ramseys don't seem to be forthcoming with a consistent story to say the least.

1997 LE interview with Patsy:

PR: . . .from my bathroom. Um, I started down the spiral stairs and when I got nearly to the bottom I saw these three pieces of paper, like notebook size paper, on, on the run of the stairs and uh, I went on down and turned around and started reading, reading it.
And I uh, screamed for John. He was up in our bedroom still and he came running down and uh, I told him that there was a note that said she had been kidnapped. And uh, uh, I think he, he said, I said, ‘What should I do. What should I do,’ or something and he said, ‘Call the police,’ and I think somewhere, I remember I said something about, you know, check Burke or something and I think he ran back and checked burke and I ran back down the stairs and then he came downstairs. He was just in his underwear and he uh, took the note and I remember him being down hunched on the floor read, with all three pages out like that reading it and uh, and he said, ‘Call 911’ or ‘Call the police,’ or something and then I did.
TT: Okay. You pick up the note and start to read it, um, go back upstairs to JonBenet’s room? Is that correct?
PR: Well, I don’t remember if I picked it or, or just leaned over and read it. I can’t remember. I don’t think I picked it up cause I remember just then bounding up the stairs toward her room.
TT: Okay. Patsy, do you recall who moved the note from the bottom of the stairs down to where John could read it with the good lighting.
PR: I think he did. I, I (inaudible)
. . .
ST: Okay. When you came down the stairs the first time did you touch the note that time?
PR: I don’t recall dong that but…
ST: Okay.
PR: …I may have.
ST: Do you recall uh, did the note go back upstairs with you when you went up to check JonBenet’s room?
PR: I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t think so. I think I just, you know, pounced up the stairs as fast as I could. I don’t, I don’t think I took it with me.
ST: Do you recall moving the note from the stairs to it’s eventual position where John read it on the floor?
PR: I, I don’t recall moving it. No.
ST: Do you ever recall touching the note?
PR: Um, not specifically, but I may have. I mean there, later on that morning there were, the note was on the coffee table and I remember, in the TV room, and we were talking about did anybody recognize the handwriting, so I may have touched it then…
ST: Okay.
PR: …but I just can’t remember.
ST: So certainly your fingerprints may very well be on the note and, and, and explained that way?
PR: Right. I, I, mean I may have touched it you know.
TT: Okay. And the note was on, the note was on the floor and John was reading it when you called the police. Is that right?
PR: When I was calling the police. Yeah, he, it was on the floor there in that back hall.
TT: Okay. And you don’t recall who laid the note down there.
PR: Right.
ST: Patsy, did you write the note?
PR: No, I did not write the note.
ST: Is there any reason, Patsy, that your blatted print of your hand will be on that paper when it tests?
PR: I did not write the note and I don’t, what’s blatted?
ST: This portion of your hand.
PR: I don’t know. I mean, if I picked it up or touched it, it may be on there, but I did not write the note.

1997 LE interview with John:

JR: Well, I’d gotten up at a little before the alarm went off, 5:30 a.m., 5:25 a.m. and went and took a shower; was getting dressed and uh, heard Patsy screaming, and I ran downstairs and I think probably intercepted her maybe in the landing there, the second floor landing I don’t remember exactly; but, ah she showed me the note and uh, . . .
ST: Did she show the note on the second floor landing?
JR: I don’t remember, uh it seems like I came downstairs, but I think she was running up and I was running down, I think, as best as I can remember, the note was still down on the first floor.
ST: Go ahead Tom.
TT: Telling me you shaved, showered, cleaned up, you’re out of the shower by the time I hear Patsy scream. Which set of stairs is the note, front of back did you run down?
JR: Back,
TT: OK. Is that kind of normal, the set of stairs you guys use to go up and down?
JR: Yeah.
TT: OK. You run down stairs and about where was Patsy at when she was running up the stairs?
JR: Well, I don’t remember exactly, but I think she was kind of either coming up the spiral staircase or was up fully. I just kind of remember, kind of meeting her.
TT: Actually why don’t I just talk to you and I’ll go back and try to get some of the things we missed. Kind of talk to you just like you did on the 25th. You guys meet on the landing, what happened after that?
JR: Well I’m, it’s a lot of screaming going on around that, but we saw the note and read the first part. Ah, I think I might have run upstairs to look in JonBenet’s room. At one point I laid it on the floor and spread it out so I could read it real fast without having to sit and read it. At some point we checked Burke, I think I checked Burke. Patsy asked what should we do, and I said call the police, and she called 911.
TT: Patsy called 911 (inaudible).
JR: Yeah. It was, I remember she was on the phone, I was, I think that was when I was looking at the note again, which was on the floor and I was in the back hallway.
TT: What happened after Patsy called the police?
JR: Well, I think she called the Fernies and the Whites and just screamed at them to come over.
TT: OK. What happened after that?
JR: Ah, well, it wasn’t very long before the uniformed officer showed up. And I met him, I remember talking to him in the hallway, the front hallway. And I said our daughter’s missing and I remember him saying did she run away, and I said she was only six years old. And at one point, I don’t remember if I had the note in my hand or Patsy brought it, but I showed him the note. And then some other people started to arrive.
TT: OK. You talking about the front hallway, kind of there right there at the living room entrance?
JR: Uh-huh.
TT: Is that where you showed him the note also?
JR: That’s my recollection, yeah.

1998 LE interview with John:

23 JOHN RAMSEY: You know, Patsy is hysterical.
24 I don't remember exactly what she said. I believe
25 that it was like, (They have JonBenet,̃ and she
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1 gave me this note?
2 LOU SMIT: Where were you at that time?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I was either landing
4 here or I had gone partially down the stairs. It
5 was somewhere in this area.
6 LOU SMIT: You would have been on the second
7 floor then?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I think. But it seems
9 to me that somewhere here on the second floor,
10 partially down the stairs.
11 LOU SMIT: She had the note in her hand?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: As I recall, I remember I spread
13 it out on the floor just kind to absorb everything
14 quickly.
15 LOU SMIT: Tell me how you spread that out.
16 I mean, do you remember how the pages were like,
17 three --
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Well there were three together and I
19 just kind of spread them out. I think there were
20 three pages. I spread them out next to each other
21 so I could look at the whole thing instantly.
22 LOU SMIT: Okay.

7 LOU SMIT: Are you standing reading the
8 (INAUDIBLE)?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I kind of got on my knees,
10 because I had them on the floor.
11 LOU SMIT: How were you dressed?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I had underwear on; I
13 had a shirt on. I don't think I had on my shirt
14 shirt. It was just an underwear thing.
15 LOU SMIT: How long did it take you?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: Moments, I guess. I don't know.
17 I think I ran upstairs to look at her room. I
18 think Patsy said -- I don't know if she checked on
19 Burke. I don't know if she checked on Burke. I
20 remember running around a lot.
21 LOU SMIT: Let's think back just a little bit,
22 John, because sometimes that's important. The
23 sequence of things.
24 First of all, I notice that you need glasses
25 read. How was it that you could read that note?
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: It was fairly large print,
2 as I recall. But I can read, if I have to.
3 LOU SMIT: What was the lighting like there?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: Seems to me it was -- I don't
5 remember it being dark out. But the light was
6 good.

18 LOU SMIT: How much of a time period
19 that call was made and the police officer arrived?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It wasn't very long. Five
21 or ten minutes, maybe. Yeah. I remember I came in
22 and I came back and let him in the hallway. I
23 said, (My daughter's been kidnapped. Here's a
24 note.̃ And he said, (Are you sure she just didn't
25 run away?̃ and I said, (For God sake, she's only
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1 six years old.̃ And I sort of had to convince that
2 we really had a problem here.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: But, he was good, he was pretty
4 good on the uptake.
5 LOU SMIT: Just try to take it in slow steps.
6 You know what you did with the officer and how you
7 proceeded then; (INAUDIBLE)?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: We were standing in the hallway.
9 We were handing him the note trying to explain and
10 convince him that we had a problem. And at some
11 point he asked us all to go into this room here
12 and stay there.
13 LOU SMIT: That's the solarium?

 

[ukrberserker23]

Here's a good question. If the ransom note is 3 pages long, then why was the practice note only one page?

 

[cynic]

Here's a good question. If the ransom note is 3 pages long, then why was the practice note only one page?

But the next group of pages, 17 through 25, were also missing from the tablet. The following page, 26, was the practice ransom 4iote (Mr. and Mrs. I), and that page showed evidence of ink bleedthrough from the missing page 25.
Comparisons of the ragged tops of the ransom note pages with the remnants left in the tablet proved that it had come from pages 27, 28, and 29.
To me, being able to prove that the ransom note came from her tablet was an incredible piece of evidence.
Furthermore, the ink bleedthrough discovered on page 26 indicated that perhaps still another practice note could have been written on page 25 and been discarded. Two possible practice notes and one real one covering three pages led me to believe that the killer had spent more time in the house composing the ransom note than we originally thought.
But even more significant, it seemed clear that whoever wrote it was unafraid of being caught in the house. We never found the missing pages.
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas

 

[Aleph]

It may never have been John's idea to use the pad and pen in the first place. John's greatest drawback in this cover up is that Patsy is his conspirator. I love my wife dearly, but if I had to plan a bank robbery...she is the last person I would want by my side.

It sounds like you're implying something negative about women in general. I hope not!

But your comment made me think of yet another factor that further muddies this case: the Ramseys evoke familiar stereotypes and so everyone feels like they know what they must be like. John was successful in business so therefore he must be a genius. Patsy's a pageant mom so she must be a crazy bimbo. We are all susceptible to these sorts of assumptions and they flavor the theories we generate about this case, which is kind of scary.

 

[Tadpole12]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...gust-6-2014-would-have-been-her-24th-birthday


-- Not giving up --
Even all these years later, the Boulder city website is still asking for tips in the case.
The website says, " Anyone with information about JonBenet Ramsey’s homicide is asked to contact Detective Sgt. Tom Trujillo at 303-441-3338. Anonymous tips may be emailed to [email protected]. Tips leading to the arrest and conviction of the suspect in this crime may be eligible for a cash reward."

 

[2 percent]

It sounds like you're implying something negative about women in general. I hope not!

But your comment made me think of yet another factor that further muddies this case: the Ramseys evoke familiar stereotypes and so everyone feels like they know what they must be like. John was successful in business so therefore he must be a genius. Patsy's a pageant mom so she must be a crazy bimbo. We are all susceptible to these sorts of assumptions and they flavor the theories we generate about this case, which is kind of scary.

bbm

I didn't read it like that.
My husband would probably agree with THE BUNK. I'm hopeless with subterfuge, lying and quite honestly can't keep my mouth shut if I do something wrong or see others do something wrong - morally or legally.
If I were to commit a murder (God forbid), it would be in the heat of the moment. I wouldn't have the patience to plan a crime like murder or a bank robber, nor the fortitude to lie about things like alibis, motives, etc. for very long.

 

[elannia]

With respect to the location of the RN when the police arrived, there are conflicting stories.
In the 1998 LE interview, JR claims he handed the RN immediately to Officer French, however the account in ST’s book and in the Bonita Papers indicates that the RN was left on the floor for the police to see, where JR claimed to have initially read it.

LOU SMIT: Just try to take it in slow steps. You know what you did with the officer and how you proceeded then; (INAUDIBLE)?
JOHN RAMSEY: We were standing in the hallway. We were handing him the note trying to explain and convince him that we had a problem. And at some point he asked us all to go into this room here and stay there.
LOU SMIT: That's the solarium?
JOHN RAMSEY: Right. The Fernies and the Whites were arriving at sometime between - I think he got there first. But at some point he kind of shepherded us all in there and asked us all to stay there. (INAUDIBLE)
LOU SMIT: What did you do with the note?
JOHN RAMSEY: I gave it to him. I think at that point he kept it. I mean I don't remember him giving it back to me. I do remember later we had, I think they made copies but we had it spread out on the table back here just trying to figure out what we could figure out.

"Another tech saw the ransom note on the bottom step of the spiral staircase and photographed it there. But the photograph lied. The note had traveled from the stairs, possibly into Patsy's hands, then had been spread out on the hallway floor where John Ramsey and the police had read it, and French had put it back on the stairs. The photograph, which was supposed to show exactly where evidence had been discovered, was inaccurate."
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 20

Officer Rick French was dispatched to 755 15th Street in Boulder at approximately 5:52 a.m. on the report of a possible kidnapping. He was met at the door by the distraught Patsy and by John who told him that their six-year-old daughter was missing and their nine-year-old son was asleep upstairs. Patsy, hysterical and apparently confused about the sequence of the mornings events, told officer French that she went into JonBenet’s bedroom at approximately 5:45 a.m. that morning to wake her up for the trip and saw that she was not in bed. As she was coming down the spiral staircase she found the note stating that her daughter had been kidnapped. John then lead French through the house and pointed out a three page handwritten note which still lay on the hallway floor next to the kitchen.
-Bonita Papers

And finally, here is the depiction from the movie, Perfect Murder, Perfect Town:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtNGUD3jqcs

In terms of who handled the note and when (not that I believe any of this happened) the Ramseys don't seem to be forthcoming with a consistent story to say the least.

1997 LE interview with Patsy:

PR: . . .from my bathroom. Um, I started down the spiral stairs and when I got nearly to the bottom I saw these three pieces of paper, like notebook size paper, on, on the run of the stairs and uh, I went on down and turned around and started reading, reading it.
And I uh, screamed for John. He was up in our bedroom still and he came running down and uh, I told him that there was a note that said she had been kidnapped. And uh, uh, I think he, he said, I said, ‘What should I do. What should I do,’ or something and he said, ‘Call the police,’ and I think somewhere, I remember I said something about, you know, check Burke or something and I think he ran back and checked burke and I ran back down the stairs and then he came downstairs. He was just in his underwear and he uh, took the note and I remember him being down hunched on the floor read, with all three pages out like that reading it and uh, and he said, ‘Call 911’ or ‘Call the police,’ or something and then I did.
TT: Okay. You pick up the note and start to read it, um, go back upstairs to JonBenet’s room? Is that correct?
PR: Well, I don’t remember if I picked it or, or just leaned over and read it. I can’t remember. I don’t think I picked it up cause I remember just then bounding up the stairs toward her room.
TT: Okay. Patsy, do you recall who moved the note from the bottom of the stairs down to where John could read it with the good lighting.
PR: I think he did. I, I (inaudible)
. . .
ST: Okay. When you came down the stairs the first time did you touch the note that time?
PR: I don’t recall dong that but…
ST: Okay.
PR: …I may have.
ST: Do you recall uh, did the note go back upstairs with you when you went up to check JonBenet’s room?
PR: I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t think so. I think I just, you know, pounced up the stairs as fast as I could. I don’t, I don’t think I took it with me.
ST: Do you recall moving the note from the stairs to it’s eventual position where John read it on the floor?
PR: I, I don’t recall moving it. No.
ST: Do you ever recall touching the note?
PR: Um, not specifically, but I may have. I mean there, later on that morning there were, the note was on the coffee table and I remember, in the TV room, and we were talking about did anybody recognize the handwriting, so I may have touched it then…
ST: Okay.
PR: …but I just can’t remember.
ST: So certainly your fingerprints may very well be on the note and, and, and explained that way?
PR: Right. I, I, mean I may have touched it you know.
TT: Okay. And the note was on, the note was on the floor and John was reading it when you called the police. Is that right?
PR: When I was calling the police. Yeah, he, it was on the floor there in that back hall.
TT: Okay. And you don’t recall who laid the note down there.
PR: Right.
ST: Patsy, did you write the note?
PR: No, I did not write the note.
ST: Is there any reason, Patsy, that your blatted print of your hand will be on that paper when it tests?
PR: I did not write the note and I don’t, what’s blatted?
ST: This portion of your hand.
PR: I don’t know. I mean, if I picked it up or touched it, it may be on there, but I did not write the note.

1997 LE interview with John:

JR: Well, I’d gotten up at a little before the alarm went off, 5:30 a.m., 5:25 a.m. and went and took a shower; was getting dressed and uh, heard Patsy screaming, and I ran downstairs and I think probably intercepted her maybe in the landing there, the second floor landing I don’t remember exactly; but, ah she showed me the note and uh, . . .
ST: Did she show the note on the second floor landing?
JR: I don’t remember, uh it seems like I came downstairs, but I think she was running up and I was running down, I think, as best as I can remember, the note was still down on the first floor.
ST: Go ahead Tom.
TT: Telling me you shaved, showered, cleaned up, you’re out of the shower by the time I hear Patsy scream. Which set of stairs is the note, front of back did you run down?
JR: Back,
TT: OK. Is that kind of normal, the set of stairs you guys use to go up and down?
JR: Yeah.
TT: OK. You run down stairs and about where was Patsy at when she was running up the stairs?
JR: Well, I don’t remember exactly, but I think she was kind of either coming up the spiral staircase or was up fully. I just kind of remember, kind of meeting her.
TT: Actually why don’t I just talk to you and I’ll go back and try to get some of the things we missed. Kind of talk to you just like you did on the 25th. You guys meet on the landing, what happened after that?
JR: Well I’m, it’s a lot of screaming going on around that, but we saw the note and read the first part. Ah, I think I might have run upstairs to look in JonBenet’s room. At one point I laid it on the floor and spread it out so I could read it real fast without having to sit and read it. At some point we checked Burke, I think I checked Burke. Patsy asked what should we do, and I said call the police, and she called 911.
TT: Patsy called 911 (inaudible).
JR: Yeah. It was, I remember she was on the phone, I was, I think that was when I was looking at the note again, which was on the floor and I was in the back hallway.
TT: What happened after Patsy called the police?
JR: Well, I think she called the Fernies and the Whites and just screamed at them to come over.
TT: OK. What happened after that?
JR: Ah, well, it wasn’t very long before the uniformed officer showed up. And I met him, I remember talking to him in the hallway, the front hallway. And I said our daughter’s missing and I remember him saying did she run away, and I said she was only six years old. And at one point, I don’t remember if I had the note in my hand or Patsy brought it, but I showed him the note. And then some other people started to arrive.
TT: OK. You talking about the front hallway, kind of there right there at the living room entrance?
JR: Uh-huh.
TT: Is that where you showed him the note also?
JR: That’s my recollection, yeah.

1998 LE interview with John:

23 JOHN RAMSEY: You know, Patsy is hysterical.
24 I don't remember exactly what she said. I believe
25 that it was like, (They have JonBenet,̃ and she
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1 gave me this note?
2 LOU SMIT: Where were you at that time?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I was either landing
4 here or I had gone partially down the stairs. It
5 was somewhere in this area.
6 LOU SMIT: You would have been on the second
7 floor then?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I think. But it seems
9 to me that somewhere here on the second floor,
10 partially down the stairs.
11 LOU SMIT: She had the note in her hand?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: As I recall, I remember I spread
13 it out on the floor just kind to absorb everything
14 quickly.
15 LOU SMIT: Tell me how you spread that out.
16 I mean, do you remember how the pages were like,
17 three --
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Well there were three together and I
19 just kind of spread them out. I think there were
20 three pages. I spread them out next to each other
21 so I could look at the whole thing instantly.
22 LOU SMIT: Okay.

7 LOU SMIT: Are you standing reading the
8 (INAUDIBLE)?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I kind of got on my knees,
10 because I had them on the floor.
11 LOU SMIT: How were you dressed?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I had underwear on; I
13 had a shirt on. I don't think I had on my shirt
14 shirt. It was just an underwear thing.
15 LOU SMIT: How long did it take you?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: Moments, I guess. I don't know.
17 I think I ran upstairs to look at her room. I
18 think Patsy said -- I don't know if she checked on
19 Burke. I don't know if she checked on Burke. I
20 remember running around a lot.
21 LOU SMIT: Let's think back just a little bit,
22 John, because sometimes that's important. The
23 sequence of things.
24 First of all, I notice that you need glasses
25 read. How was it that you could read that note?
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1 JOHN RAMSEY: It was fairly large print,
2 as I recall. But I can read, if I have to.
3 LOU SMIT: What was the lighting like there?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: Seems to me it was -- I don't
5 remember it being dark out. But the light was
6 good.

18 LOU SMIT: How much of a time period
19 that call was made and the police officer arrived?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It wasn't very long. Five
21 or ten minutes, maybe. Yeah. I remember I came in
22 and I came back and let him in the hallway. I
23 said, (My daughter's been kidnapped. Here's a
24 note.̃ And he said, (Are you sure she just didn't
25 run away?̃ and I said, (For God sake, she's only
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1 six years old.̃ And I sort of had to convince that
2 we really had a problem here.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: But, he was good, he was pretty
4 good on the uptake.
5 LOU SMIT: Just try to take it in slow steps.
6 You know what you did with the officer and how you
7 proceeded then; (INAUDIBLE)?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: We were standing in the hallway.
9 We were handing him the note trying to explain and
10 convince him that we had a problem. And at some
11 point he asked us all to go into this room here
12 and stay there.
13 LOU SMIT: That's the solarium?

Thank you. So after reading all this it just seems one big lie and john and patsy cant get their stories straight. He moved the note, patsy cant remember if she touched the note or not. French said the note was on the floor john said first he handed him the note then he showed him the note. I think that the note was removed from the pad wearing gloves and placed on the hallway floor. The note was never on the stairs because she wrote it. So if john had nothing to do with it maybe she waited for him to shower then yelled for him took him to the note told him not to touch cause cops would check for FP. John read it told her to call 911. Burke heard everything came down john (really thinking at first it was a kidnapping was uoset and hollered at burke were not talking to you cause he's scared outta his wits. They send him back to his room to wait and i think john was becoming suspicious of patsy as the morning went on and decided then to look around. He finds JB like he told Stewart Long at 11 am and he cant say anything to patsy because people all around. So I think LA gave him his chance to "find her" when she told him to look around. Then after all that he decided to cover for patsy and that is why there stories arent together. Moo

 

[elannia]

If there was an intruder he could have used her pad to set them up. Thats why no FP but hers on the pad FL wiped down also. but I am RDI so... and I dont see john helping her or he wouldnt have made the note 3 pages long and all the contents in the note. I have to say it was a pretty good puzzling note though (patsy). And I think an intruder would have done what he went to do and left.. not make out a 3 page note unless he was throwing people off but surely with the family being upstairs and just getting into bed(didnt they go to bed around 10:30?) She was killed not long after so how did he know they had even fallen asleep yet? I think patsy was upset, nervous, confused when she wrote tht note thats why it rambles on and on and I think she made out a practice note and forget to get rid of it maybe.? Maybe she wasnt thinking that they woukd look through the tablet and find the missing pages or the practice note. wonder why she first addressed it to mr and mrs r then just to mr ramsey? Moo