Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #2

[Lawgirl]

One also mentioned a permanent limp the woman attributed to an accident that she didn't explain.


http://coronado.patch.com/articles/trainer-recalls-spreckels-victims-noticeable-limp


Sooooo,
Something else to ponder.
Was Rebecca physically OK to perform the contortions in hanging herself.
Did she have a permanent leg injury, resulting in a limp ????
IMO

Interesting... limp. I did not know that.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

bbm

I'm skeptical that any CPR was performed by either AS or medics, since the photos that have been published depict Rebecca's arms still obviously tied behind her body.

First-responders would not have performed CPR on her until after they had untied her arms.

I, too, am curious as to why there are no media pics of EMS on the scene, since a media helicopter was circling overhead.

I think the helicopter came to the scene later.



IMO

 

[kljohnson0458]

Would it be unfathomable to think perhaps Dina is afraid of the dog - given prior history - "Rebecca I need to talk to you and you need to tell me what happened to Max..I want to hear it from your mouth..but could you make sure the dog is not around?"... just some free thought. If it were my child that was hurt I would want to know exactly what happened from the horse's mouth - not from the police - not from the news media - not from anyone but the person in charge of taking care of my child.

I just cannot get over the feeling of a mother having lost a child and the grief that must come with that. I don't think there can be anything greater than that.."tell me exactly what happened to my son!" I just seems like a logical thing. She then goes to the house which she knows well by the way -- since it was HER house at one point (the house was purchased in 2007) -- to "talk" to get answers...emotions are all time high...anger...agony really. Just some random thought...

But he hadn't died yet. He died the following Sunday. I don't think RN would accomodate her with getting rid of the dog. As I said, we don't know what was happening behind those doors before the child tragedy and then RN's totally imcomprehensible death that way it was staged IMO.

 

[Lawgirl]

Another scenario:
Rebecca was devastated and ashamed. Even though you cannot control sometimes what children do and could have been a total accident -- she was still remorsed that it happend when she was supposed to be taking care of him. This completely changed her life forever and now her life will never be the same...surely Jonah couldn't marry her now. What update was she going to give her parents the next day? He's still brain dead? There was no update...the child was unresponsive. He was not going to come back out of this...I'm sure she knew this already. Maybe she did kill herself out of shame and feeling this was her fault (even if it was not). No matter what her life would be changed forever.

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Still, leaving no note under such circumstances served to cause and inflict further pain on the boy's father and her own love interest. To do so would imply a kind of vengeance motive; or she was just too whacked out to think being her own misery and ending it. A note of remorse would have been in order though. For everybody's sake, not the least her own family's peace of mind in a lamentable situation. Instead, this cloud of doubt (and, a rip-roaring good mystery of course.....)

If she did commit suicide - the manner in which she did that - hanging naked with a blue scarf which in asian tradition means immortality - death - mourning - I think that was loud and clear - I am deeply ashamed and here I am naked -- asking forgiveness -- I deserve this because it was all my fault. I deserve to die a shameful death.

Gosh I wish she did not really think this...so sad...if that's what happened.

 

[Lawgirl]

But he hadn't died yet. He died the following Sunday. I don't think RN would accomodate her with getting rid of the dog. As I said, we don't know what was happening behind those doors before the child tragedy and then RN's totally imcomprehensible death that way it was staged IMO.

But he was brain dead -- they knew he was dead basically. It was a matter of time to wait...think about how to let go...he was gone by then. It sounds like they didn't take him off life support until the following weekend after having made the decisions also to donate his organs. devastating.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Although I know the stats and have seen it posted here, it still surprises me that most people who commit suicide do not leave notes...I would think they would want people to know why they were so miserable, or would want to either acquit or blame someone, depending upon how they are feeling at the time...in this case, I would think she would reference the little boy, if she did kill herself and that was the reason...I also can't see her doing it in a way that could end up with someone being charged with her murder.

You would think so. It makes me wonder sometime if some of the people committing suicide even know the reason or feel their families already know why they did what they did.

Or it could be a way of punishing someone by never explaining leaving the loved ones to wrestle with the 'why' for the rest of their lives.

Imo, if she did commit suicide she thought they would know why she did it.

IMO

 

[sorrell skye]

Thank you for that photo! It doesn't appear that the windows/french door that lead to the balcony are opened....very interesting! If she committed suicide doesn't look like much room to maneuver yourself with bound neck, bound hands and bound feet and shut the door behind you! IMO

If this photo is to graphic pls let me know and I will blur her out, but I figured it was a far away enough shot. Thx

bbm

Very good point about the French doors on the balcony not being open.

IMO, if Rebecca had thrown herself over the railing to hang herself (with her hands tied behind her back), those doors should have still been open when LE arrived.

But those doors are closed.

 

[Lawgirl]

Do we know if Dina ever went into that home after Max was injured. I thought she and Jonah was at the hospital 24/7.

IMO

I think they knew this child was brain dead and there was nothing that could be done. I would want answers -- I would want somebody to tell me why and how. I would go straight to the person in charge of taking care of him that day...its a hypothetical. I imagine I would do the same. You don't harm my child and I just sit there and cry....uhhh no.

 

[pferrin]

bbm

I'm skeptical that any CPR was performed by either AS or medics, since the photos that have been published depict Rebecca's arms still obviously tied behind her body.

First-responders would not have performed CPR on her until after they had untied her arms.

I, too, am curious as to why there are no media pics of EMS on the scene, since a media helicopter was circling overhead.

I agree..if any was done..just protocol. It is normal for paramedics to check heart & breathing even if body appears to be in rigor.There are so many conflicting stories it is difficult to get the straight truth. 911 was called at 6:38 ..if there had been any vitals ..she would have been transported.

The scene was turned over to ME after paramedics..then to homicide by 830. If this wasnt a homicide investigation there would not be 15 detectives working on it. http://www.newser.com/story/123934/...edly-distraught-day-before-she-was-found.html

 

[Lawgirl]

bbm

Very good point about the French doors on the balcony not being open.

IMO, if Rebecca had thrown herself over the railing to hang herself (with her hands tied behind her back), those doors should have still been open when LE arrived.

But those doors are closed.

Well if we are going to go that route...she could have closed them. There was plenty of room for her stand there for a bit...it looks like there was. She was really thin woman.

 

[sorrell skye]

I think the helicopter came to the scene later.

IMO

If the helicopter came to the scene later (i.e. after the paramedics arrived) why are Rebecca's arms still tied behind her back? CPR cannot be performed with a patient in that position.

 

[kljohnson0458]

But he was brain dead -- they knew he was dead basically. It was a matter of time to wait...think about how to let go...he was gone by then. It sounds like they didn't take him off life support until the following weekend after having made the decisions also to donate his organs. devastating.

Very true had not looked at it that way. I just can't imagine that RN was boarding the dog for this woman. I truly think there was unrest in that house days or day before MS's accident. I don't want to point the finger at JS but this is just so dang odd.

Anyone here of the new game with kids of "planking?

 

[Wendy101]

Maybe the dog was the cause of Max's fall..and Rebecca had to get rid of it?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess. But if she felt wracked with remorse toward Jonah, this was just piling on. She must have been way way out of sorts in this scenario, in a kind of hysterical shame spiral for it not to even occur to her that she was about to turn his world upside down yet again with the specifics of her rather involved suicide. Maybe there was a note or something. Then again, it could be a forged note......

Yes, it would cause more pain and grief but those who carry out suicides aren't rational thinking people to begin with. It wasnt Jonah she worried about........it was her own pain that she wanted to stop and couldn't deal with.

I have a feeling during those 6 days Rebecca was put on the back burner. Max was number one to Jonah night and day, imo, and it made Rebecca have to deal with the loss of Max all alone. I think she felt no one understood the love, pain and regret she had in her heart because of Max's accident and subsequent death.

While it most certainly could be a homicide I still think it also could have been a tragic suicide.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

Well if we are going to go that route...she could have closed them. There was plenty of room for her stand there for a bit...it looks like there was. She was really thin woman.

Then how was the body cut down?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Maybe the dog was the cause of Max's fall..and Rebecca had to get rid of it?

I dont think so. I read somewhere that Jonah went and picked up the dog because Rebecca and Max loved that dog.

If he had thought the dog caused Max to trip and fall I dont think he could go back and pick up the dog.

IMO

 

[elementry]

As to LE cover-ups, I still am not totally swayed by the Ronnie Chasen {solved} mystery. The way he offed himself when being approached by police was quite convenient - although I guess perhaps there was video evidence of it in the lobby. Then, months later, it ends up he had a policeman's gun to do the crime and presumably kill himself and wrap up the case nicely.

This is not to say - far from it - that LE is dropping the ball on this case though. We'll see.

 

[kljohnson0458]

Maybe the dog was the cause of Max's fall..and Rebecca had to get rid of it?

I'm sorry but just no no no. That isn't the reason. She didn't do it to not have him home for the party or anything like that. I think she was ready to leave because of JS's bad treatment or escape the sexual advances of the brother and the ex Dina can't be forgotten. She had reason to board the dog. that is JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Then how was the body cut down?

The police hasnt said. They just say Adam cut her down. If he works on a tugboat then I imagine he always keeps a sharp knife on him.

IMO

 

[justbetweenus]

BBM

It could simply be a play on words - she was not hogtied when they found her. The bending of the knees that we see in the pics and the statements of her being in rigor do not coincide with her hanging and the knees bent.

Now, in that article it states that when the first responders got there they found a woman in "distress" and provided medical aid. The helicopter pic we see of her laying there does not coincide with medical aid being rendered at all (she is on her side with ropes, scarf, etc still attached).

The conflicting statements are coming fast and furious. I go by what I actually see in those chopper pics. And those pics certainly do not show where any first responder provided aid to that body.

JMO

BBM. I just listened to the press conference video for the first time that anyoldtime posted, and you're right. When a reporter asked if she was hog tied the officer said "she didn't appear to be."