Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #2

[justbetweenus]

If she was hogtied and he cut the tie then both her feet and wrists would become free since when someone is hogtied the feet and hands are tied together in the back.

Its the reverse of hogtying a pig which is where the word originated. When a pig is hogtied then all four feet are bound together. The purpose was so the pig could be carried on a pole that would rest on the hunters' shoulders in order to carry the heavy pig out of the woods where it had been killed.

IMO

Warning I have blond roots lol

I have to admit not knowing anything about hogtying or even knew the term came from hogs being tied the way you mentioned lol. but some of the images I have seen since following this case they look like the feet and hands aren't tied together. Some look like the hands are tied, then with another rope/cord the feet are tied, brought up (possibly looped through the ties on the hands then tied around the neck. I have that pictured then another rope used to hang to the balcony.

Thanks for your post.

 

[kljohnson0458]

LOL!

I just couldn't do it though. No way could I just stand there gazing at someone hanging while waiting for the police to arrive. My instincts would kick in and I would just have to try and save them if there was any possible chance.

mo

Read Sorrel Skye's post. I suspect the brother right up there with the ex. These detectives are working long hours to figure this out and any scenario is not going to shock us. I do want to know why MS was hurt to the point of death on those steps.

 

[Carrington]

There is no way in heck I could just stand by watching someone hanging from a rope. Right or wrong I would rush to them........cut the rope and get them down and see if I could find any signs of life.

IMO

I"m hoping thats what I would do.
IMO

 

[Lawgirl]

Does anyone have any idea what this party on Tuesday night was supposed to be for? Was it someone's birthday, engagement announcement?

 

[Carrington]

photo of balcony and the doors, really tall windows, whatever you want to call them. Access to the balcony.

Thanks, but not the picture I was referring too.
Maybe whoever posted will respond.

 

[kljohnson0458]

Hog tied means nothing to me beause she didn't commit suicide. Who needs proof by saying she was or wasn't hog tied. Why does it matter. I know in my heart this woman did NOT take her own life. So the hog tied theory just needs tossed. The LE even said she was NOT hog tied. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't understand how the cord could be just looped through the railing in order for her to hang herself. How would it support her body if that were the case?

Just looped around one of the railings and then loop it around her neck. Electrical cord is very strong. The wires inside of the cord are tightly twisted like a cable. LOL Since I am from the south and have seen just about everything ......I have seen guys use electrical cords they have in their trucks to pull another vehicle that had broken down. It isn't something that would easily snap at all.

IMO

 

[Lawgirl]

Hog tied means nothing to me beause she didn't commit suicide. Who needs proof by saying she was or wasn't hog tied. Why does it matter. I know in my hear this woman did NOT take her own life. So the hog tied theory just needs tossed. The LE even said she was NOT hog tied. JMO

okay so not hogtied...thanks!

 

[seekjustice]

My first thoughts after seeing the photos were that RN was either hogtied at one point or bound and placed on a chair. Thus the position of the legs. And the scarf was most likely used to cover her mouth. I think whoever did this was motivated by anger. Possibly wanting answers tied her up and then flung her over the balcony when they were finished with her. The loud music reports disturb me. I imagine it was used to mask any noise. This is just my initial reaction. Jmo.

 

[Carrington]

Does anyone have any idea what this party on Tuesday night was supposed to be for? Was it someone's birthday, engagement announcement?

No, all the articles I have read, nothing has been said, other than party.
Someone did suggest maybe why the cords were handy. Band maybe?
IMO

 

[jjenny]

Since we do have reports of loud music, who was playing it and why? Certainly loud music would mask any noise if someone wanted to mask noise. I mean the child was in the hospital. So why would someone play loud music?

 

[scorekeeper]

Yes, it would cause more pain and grief but those who carry out suicides aren't rational thinking people to begin with. It wasnt Jonah she worried about........it was her own pain that she wanted to stop and couldn't deal with.

I have a feeling during those 6 days Rebecca was put on the back burner. Max was number one to Jonah night and day, imo, and it made Rebecca have to deal with the loss of Max all alone. I think she felt no one understood the love, pain and regret she had in her heart because of Max's accident and subsequent death.

While it most certainly could be a homicide I still think it also could have been a tragic suicide.

IMO

BBM

oceanblueeyes,

You are so knowledgeable about this case.....I'm sure you meant to say 2 days instead of 6........Maxie had his "accident" on Monday and RN was found Wednesday.........

It does seem she was left to grieve on her own, but I wonder if JS didn't come home for short periods to shower/change clothes; I'm sure the same for JS. I thought I read somewhere JS's sister was also at the hospital?

Evidence that would be so helpful:

911 tapes
cell phone records
whereabouts of JS, DS, AS from Monday thru Wednesday (I know AS didn't arrive until I think late Monday/early Tuesday)
Police search warrants/pictures
and on and on........

I was gone most of the day and it has taken me forever to read all the post..

You guys are really "sleuthing" it up!!!
nline::toast:

 

[anyoldtime48]

If she was hogtied and he cut the tie then both her feet and wrists would become free since when someone is hogtied the feet and hands are tied together in the back.

Its the reverse of hogtying a pig which is where the word originated. When a pig is hogtied then all four feet are bound together. The purpose was so the pig could be carried on a pole that would rest on the hunters' shoulders in order to carry the heavy pig out of the woods where it had been killed.

IMO

It's quite possible to hog tie without doing it in the typically understood way.

Her ankles were bound together. Her hands bound together. Take a separate length of rope and run it from the bindings between the feet and the bindings between the hands. I do think it is possible, if this were a murder, that for some odd reason (overkill, and seriously, no pun intended) said murderer could have further bound her that way.

But there is no indication from LE that she ever had her ankles (feet) tied together with her hands. personally, I think rigor hadn't yet really set in, and either that's how she happened to "fall" when Adam lay her on the grass, or she was partly rolled over after the fact, in order to check for breathing and pulse. With her hands still bound behind her, they were not going to be able to roll her completely onto her back.

But if rigor HAD fully set in, how does she wind up with the top half of her body twisted a good 45 degrees away from her lower body? If she had been hogtied, not likely. If she was hung, or hung herself, highly unlikely.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hog tied means nothing to me beaus she didn't commit suicide. Who needs proof by saying she was or wasn't hog tied. Why does it matter. I know in my hear this woman did NOT take her own life. So the hog tied theory just needs tossed. The LE even said she was NOT hog tied. JMO

It doesn't make any difference to me but some seem to think she was hogtied. I don't think she was and the police have said she wasnt.

It certainly would make a difference to me though fi she had been because if she was hogtied there is no way she could do that to herself. She wouldn't be able to bind both her feet and wrists together. If hogtied that would point more to a homicide and completely away from a suicide.

That is much different than being able to bind up the feet first and then the wrists and maneuver them behind her back.

IMO

 

[kljohnson0458]

It doesn't make any difference to me but some seem to think she was hogtied. I don't think she was and the police have said she wasnt.

It certainly would make a difference to me though fi she had been because if she was hogtied there is no way she could do that to herself. She wouldn't be able to bind both her feet and wrists together. If hogtied that would point more to a homicide and completely away from a suicide.

That is much different than being able to bind up the feet first and then the wrist and maneuver them behind her back.

IMO

You are right Ocean. Probably the reason I quit posting because RN did NOT kill herself. I firmly and totally believe that. I think she was either come upon unexpectedly by JS or AS and it was all staged or the ex had someone go there and torture her and most possibly did throw her over the balcony with the rope and cords, etc. She did NOT do this to herself.

 

[Quester]

RE: RN case independent of MS case

Here are the results of last evening’s poll with 74 “thanks” cast:

1. Murder case 47 “thanks” ~ 63%

2. Suicide case. 2 “thanks” ~ 3%

3. Murder or suicide case
– not sure which yet. 25 “thanks” ~ 34%

Very interesting as are these cases! Thanks all!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's quite possible to hog tie without doing it in the typically understood way.

Her ankles were bound together. Her hands bound together. Take a separate length of rope and run it from the bindings between the feet and the bindings between the hands. I do think it is possible, if this were a murder, that for some odd reason (overkill, and seriously, no pun intended) said murderer could have further bound her that way.

But there is no indication from LE that she ever had her ankles (feet) tied together with her hands. personally, I think rigor hadn't yet really set in, and either that's how she happened to "fall" when Adam lay her on the grass, or she was partly rolled over after the fact, in order to check for breathing and pulse. With her hands still bound behind her, they were not going to be able to roll her completely onto her back.

But if rigor HAD fully set in, how does she wind up with the top half of her body twisted a good 45 degrees away from her lower body? If she had been hogtied, not likely. If she was hung, or hung herself, highly unlikely.

She talked to her sister around midnight right and then the loud music was heard about 1 am? So lets say it happened sometime after then and before 6:45 am.... I don't think full rigor sets in .......in that time frame does it? 7 hours?

I have a feeling if the medics worked on her then they did not see any signs of rigor so I think they turned her upper body and face as much as they could with her arms and hands behind her back stopping them from rolling her over on her back and that is why she is in the crooked position she was in.

IMO

 

[justbetweenus]

RE: RN case independent of MS case

Here are the results of last evening’s poll with 74 “thanks” cast:

1. Murder case 47 “thanks” ~ 63%

2. Suicide case. 2 “thanks” ~ 3%

3. Murder or suicide case
– not sure which yet. 25 “thanks” ~ 34%

Very interesting as are these cases! Thanks all!

Very interesting. Thanks for doing this Quester. Much appreciated.

Btw which one would you thank if you could.

 

[mrsu]

Hog tied means nothing to me beause she didn't commit suicide. Who needs proof by saying she was or wasn't hog tied. Why does it matter. I know in my heart this woman did NOT take her own life. So the hog tied theory just needs tossed. The LE even said she was NOT hog tied. JMO

Not to be argumentative, but I don't believe the police said she was not hogtied. At the press conference, he said, she didn't APPEAR to be. IMO, that doesn't mean that she wasn't hogtied at some point.

What is your explanation as to why her legs are bent in the position they are?

 

[Paladine]

Wasn't Jonah the one that divorced Dina?

Someone posted a picture last night that made the french door look like a window, with a faux balcony. Then I read this, I'm not sure there is a french door yet!

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/speckels-mansion-renovaton-approved

IMO

I recall the Mayor on HLN a few days ago speaking about this case. In this decision, seems most sided with JS, including the Mayor ...here's a quote from your link from the Mayor:

For many, the issue came down to balancing the right of the owner to be comfortable in his own home with the right of the community to protect a historical resource. Mayor Casey Tanaka imagined himself living in the house and the pleasure he would having opening the French doors and walking out onto a small terrace to view the ocean.