Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #2

[elementry]

When I read this a long way back in the thread it seemed odd to me. He sold stock and stock options and put some in trusts for the children. What's up with that?

This is actually pretty usual activity of corporate insiders "feeding at the trough", issuing themselves shares through compensation plans and then selling, partly for tax reasons that are incurred by the options grants, but also scoring tons and tons of dough thereby. It's his company, so how can one begrudge him that? Here's his feeding pattern over the last 18 months:

http://holdings.nasdaq.com/asp/Insi...rporation&market=NYSE&selected=MRX&symbol=MRX

Also the various trusts are methods of transferring wealth without tax consequences and not necessarily suspicious in regards to what befell him last week. imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/07/2...emocrats-san-diego-home-raise-more-questions/

Your source is a blog that quotes from another blog?

 

[kljohnson0458]

:fence: I surrender I can't guess anymore. News should be soon. Ya'll are great. :seeya:

 

[scorekeeper]

Thanks you n/t, I wanted to post that earlier, but was too busy reading. This is despicable the way her body was treated. What are they, a bunch of k-stone cops out there. She should have, as you stated, have had a tent around and over her. I can't believe this!! :maddening:

Investigators from the Medical Examiners Office arrived around 8 p.m

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/police-call-in-homicide-unit-in-suspicious-death

So RN was left at property from 6:45am until sometime after 8pm. I understand that evidence has to gather, etc.......but LE had to know that media copters were flying over the scene....LE should have respected RN by putting up a tent...totally disrespected by media and LE

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree, they don't become official/signed until after tox is done, but cause of death is pretty much known, like strangulation etc. through initial autopsy why then seal it? For example look at many celebrities that have died and we hear after initial autopsy that they have to wait until tox comes back because they can't for sure say what happened. Example Anna Nicole Smith; tox comes back that she overdosed.

This really adds to my speculation of what happened to Maxi. If they're not related why seal his too? I'm beginning to wonder if when Max fell from the stairs he became hung onto something during his fall, and because of similarity to RN's death they have sealed his also.

A question to others that may know. Maxi was coma induced because of trauma to the brain, which obviously could happen from a tragic fall. Now IF a child was found hanging would a coma inducement be done? If not then that will end my speculation on this theory. Sometimes silence isn't golden.

Thank-you.

It took months for them to release the autopsy report on Michael Jackson didn't it and Laci Peterson's too among others?

The ME really cant rule MOD or COD until the tox report comes back in. They must have all things known to them before they redender an official cause and manner of death. He/she will take into consideration whether he found drugs in her system to see if it may have played a part in her death.

It could show she was highly intoxicated at the time or overloaded with drugs. If so, LE would know if those drugs or alcohol bottles were found in the mansion, where and if so, fingerprinting of the items would need to be tested to see who's fingerprints are on them. So it is just another piece of the puzzle that helps put it together. If only her fingerprints are found then that leans more toward a suicide with possible drugs/alcohol used for courage. If the drugs were present either were not found in the home or with someone else's fingerprints on them then that leans more toward a homicide.

If someone is found hanging and they have been hanging there awhile the oxygen supply has already been starved from the brain. I believe the maximum time is around 6 minutes and even that amount of time can cause brain death with the person in a vegetative state.

IMO

 

[~n/t~]

Your source is a blog that quotes from another blog?

Carry on......sorry you missed the point I was trying to make. It's obvious others got it. :seeya:

 

[~n/t~]

Investigators from the Medical Examiners Office arrived around 8 p.m

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/police-call-in-homicide-unit-in-suspicious-death

So RN was left at property from 6:45am until sometime after 8pm. I understand that evidence has to gather, etc.......but LE had to know that media copters were flying over the scene....LE should have respected RN by putting up a tent...totally disrespected by media and LE

Thank you.......I agree and this is what I was referring to earlier.

 

[~n/t~]

Thanks you n/t, I wanted to post that earlier, but was too busy reading. This is despicable the way her body was treated. What are they, a bunch of k-stone cops out there. She should have, as you stated, have had a tent around and over her. I can't believe this!! :maddening:

YW ....I agree. It's unacceptable. I realize they have a job to do but whether it was suicide or murder, she deserved dignity.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'll add this here to your post Linda.Unfortunately like a few others here, I have had a loved one take their life by hanging.I may not have this perfectly the way it was relayed to me, but I was told after autopsy/investigation that when a person hangs them self the jump they make causes damage to small bones in the upper spinal column.Just wanted to add this as another possible way they could tell if she actually died from manual strangulation or hanging.

I am so sorry to hear of your loss justbetweenus.

The ME will have no problem determining if she died by hanging.

We are not for certain what type of makeshift 'rope' she used but whatever it was it would make abrasions across the neck area. The loop abrasion would show bruising in the frontal neck area with the impression of the 'rope' rising higher up closer to behind her ears as it goes further up behind the back of her head since the rope would be up higher attached to the balcony and she is hanging below it. If the 'rope' was abrasive and rough like a nylon rope then the person would actually have rope burns on the neck area. She also will have ruptures and hemorrhages in her eyes.

And you are correct. Small bones can be broken or fractured. Some if the jump is high up enough can even wind up with a broken neck and there will be spinal and brain stem damage.

IMO

 

[jstwondering]

IIRC the dog who "attacked" Dina was NOT the Weimeranar (sp?) primarily cared for by RN but a "guard dog" belonging to JS. I remember reading this in the first RN thread and can go back and try to find it if necessary.

As usual, I am just here reading all of your great work, but did see this come up several times so i thought I'd chime in.

So for those interested, my old bf had a Weimaraner, and she was a great, albeit neurotic, inbred, sickly dog. I always had the impression that they were super passive. For those of you old enough, remember the dogs that were posed into the letters of the alphabet on Sesame Street, or the dogs that would be dressed up in a coat, but had a human's arms eating something to look like the dog was eating.....these were weimaraners. So I just assumed they were perfect family pets. But then I looked up te breed on google, and this stood out:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimaraner.htm
Give your Weim plenty of extensive exercise, or he will become very restless and over excited. Because this breed is so full of energy, the first thing they need to learn is sit. This will help prevent jumping, as they are strong dogs and will knock over elderly or children by accident. This breed especially should not be hit to discipline, they become wary easily.

 

[time]

http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/07/2...emocrats-san-diego-home-raise-more-questions/

That's weird (the title), what does it matter if he is a democrat or not?

 

[scorekeeper]

Your source is a blog that quotes from another blog?

Coronado Patch

ABC

AZCentral

Daily Mail

were all quoted in the blog. It seems to be the "new wave" of reporting.
Seems to have some of the same questions that have been posed here.
The article seems well written and researched. I like reading all the different opinions/blogs that are out there in cyberspace......kinda' makes you "think outside the box" - heck some of the great "sleuthers" from WS have blogs...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No it's not uncommon but exposed in that manner? If the report is true that she laid there "in view to the public" from early morning to 2 pm?? It's disgusting.

I will agree with that but unfortunately it is done sometimes.

While we have emotional feelings seeing a dead body so exposed on a lawn the police who work these kind of cases see dead bodies way too often.

Rebecca and LE were behind the walls in the backyard and this is a community not use to media helicopters piercing their privacy. Imo, the police had no idea the helicopter photographer would take a photo of Rebecca. We don't know what happened once they did realize it. They may very well could have covered her body right after then. They may have called into the news station and told them to back off.

So she wasnt in view of the public. She was behind fencing in the backyard.

I am sure it has woken that sleepy easygoing community up that their privacy can be penetrated if the media gets curious and nosy enough. The one I blame is the media who dared to broadcast these heartbreaking images to the world.

IMO

 

[time]

Investigators from the Medical Examiners Office arrived around 8 p.m

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/police-call-in-homicide-unit-in-suspicious-death

So RN was left at property from 6:45am until sometime after 8pm. I understand that evidence has to gather, etc.......but LE had to know that media copters were flying over the scene....LE should have respected RN by putting up a tent...totally disrespected by media and LE

Yes, they knew the media was all over it and helicopters were flying over for that very reason.

 

[scorekeeper]

So for those interested, my old bf had a Weimaraner, and she was a great, albeit neurotic, inbred, sickly dog. I always had the impression that they were super passive. For those of you old enough, remember the dogs that were posed into the letters of the alphabet on Sesame Street, or the dogs that would be dressed up in a coat, but had a human's arms eating something to look like the dog was eating.....these were weimaraners. So I just assumed they were perfect family pets. But then I looked up te breed on google, and this stood out:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimaraner.htm
Give your Weim plenty of extensive exercise, or he will become very restless and over excited. Because this breed is so full of energy, the first thing they need to learn is sit. This will help prevent jumping, as they are strong dogs and will knock over elderly or children by accident. This breed especially should not be hit to discipline, they become wary easily.

BBM

I can't find the MSM article, but I remember a previous article that a neighbor was talking about RN and seeing her walking the dog (when we visit the beach, we walk the dogs 4-5 times per day). She worked out 3-4 times per week at the gym. I believe he was still a puppy also (14 or 18 months)...a puppy to me is any dog under 2 years...my personal opinion...
and did a couple previous post about wondering if the 13 year old, Maxie and the dog were running/playing or involved with the "accident"....

 

[~n/t~]

I will agree with that but unfortunately it is done sometimes.

While we have emotional feelings seeing a dead body so exposed on a lawn the police who work these kind of cases see dead bodies way too often.

Rebecca and LE were behind the walls in the backyard and this is a community not use to media helicopters piercing their privacy. Imo, the police had no idea the helicopter photographer would take a photo of Rebecca. We don't know what happened once they did realize it. They may very well could have covered her body right after then. They may have called into the news station and told them to back off.

So she wasnt in view of the public. She was behind fencing in the backyard.

I am sure it has woken that sleepy easygoing community up that their privacy can be penetrated if the media gets curious and nosy enough. The one I blame is the media who dared to broadcast these heartbreaking images to the world.

IMO

Well according to that report she was still exposed at 8 pm.....so it sounds like nothing was done. In the cases I've followed over the years, I have never seen a crime scene not sealed off, protected and covered even when the find is skeletal remains.

I hope her family sues.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, they knew the media was all over it and helicopters were flying over for that very reason.

The media must not have been all over it if it took them until 2:00 in the afternoon to do a flyover.

911 call came in around 6:45 am.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

I will agree with that but unfortunately it is done sometimes.

While we have emotional feelings seeing a dead body so exposed on a lawn the police who work these kind of cases see dead bodies way too often.

Rebecca and LE were behind the walls in the backyard and this is a community not use to media helicopters piercing their privacy. Imo, the police had no idea the helicopter photographer would take a photo of Rebecca. We don't know what happened once they did realize it. They may very well could have covered her body right after then. They may have called into the news station and told them to back off.

So she wasnt in view of the public. She was behind fencing in the backyard.

I am sure it has woken that sleepy easygoing community up that their privacy can be penetrated if the media gets curious and nosy enough. The one I blame is the media who dared to broadcast these heartbreaking images to the world.IMO

BBM

Politely disagree........freedom of speech

Those photos have been viewed and sleuthed by our members many times over.....if not for those photos, we would have hardly anything to discuss.....

 

[Jaxson]

Anybody think the attorney was hired on Tuesday by RN for her young sister....then she couldn't deal with her sister causing Max's accident and committed suicide rather than live with Maxie dead, sister accused and JS blaming the sis? Or maybe RN was at fault for Maxie somehow and figured she needed an attorney and then just couldn't live with it. With her saying that the other child was hurt I think the kids were doing something dangerous and Maxie died because of it. I am really feeling accident/suicide.

On a side note I doubt the police thought media wold expose her the way they did, I don't blame LE for not putting up a tent. I think media was unconscionable. (hope I spelled that right)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well according to that report she was still exposed at 8 pm.....so it sounds like nothing was done. In the cases I've followed over the years, I have never seen a crime scene not sealed off, protected and covered even when the find is skeletal remains.

I hope her family sues.

It didn't have to be sealed off in this case though n/t. The scene was already sealed by the high fencing around the backyard where she was laying. She was not in the public's view.

The ME really prefers to have the body stay uncovered until they arrive. That way if any evidence is on the body then the body cover will not alter or destroy the evidence.

I don't fault LE. I imagine they had never had to deal with the media hawkers until they saw them zoom overhead like vultures.


IMO