Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[pferrin]

Anyone notice this odd coincidence?

http://poway.patch.com/articles/memorial-held-for-sdpd-detectives-daughter-and-new-spreckles-drama

The longtime SDPD chief of child abuse cases and her own daughter were found murdered a few days ago -- in circumstances eerily similar to the Shacknai case. She might have been involved in the determination of Max's cause of death, depending on when the Coronado police turned the case over to the San Diego PD.

May Donna Williams and her daughter Brianna rest in peace. Too sad

 

[sargenet]

Is this the news conference you're thinking about sargenet?


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...oCatNo=default&clipId=6051226&redirected=true

Thank you... I couldn't get it to play till I downloaded an updated flash...

Tim Curran did say that Adam reported he found her hanging from the balcony "with a rope around her neck".... I listened to it a few times and it makes me wonder if the rope was tied to any other part of her in addition to her neck.

He also said "we aren't going to comment on what she was anchored to inside"...or at least I thought he said "inside"..

He also said it was a rope...but isn't that orange electric cord in the photos? (or did I just read that)..

 

[i.b.nora]

The deaths of Donna Williams and her daughter Briana at the hands of the son and brother is just tragic beyond all reason. However, I see nothing at all similar to or coincidental with the deaths of Max and Rebecca.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Another interesting article from earlier on...

Spreckels mansion owner described as go-getter
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/

 

[justbetweenus]

Thank you... I couldn't get it to play till I downloaded an updated flash...

Tim Curran did say that Adam reported he found her hanging from the balcony "with a rope around her neck".... I listened to it a few times and it makes me wonder if the rope was tied to any other part of her in addition to her neck.

He also said "we aren't going to comment on what she was anchored to inside"...or at least I thought he said "inside"..

OMGSH..you are so right!! The first 100 times I listened to this I thought he was talking about how the balcony was attached to the house. BUT yes he is talking about what the rope was ancored to inside of the house. Reason why we never seen a rope hanging off the balcony.

He also said it was a rope...but isn't that orange electric cord in the photos? (or did I just read that)..

IIRC, he mentions that she was suspended by a rope, but would not comment on what type of material her feet and arms were tied with.

ETA> sorry I don't know what I did wrong here with the way response came out. Hope It's understandable.

 

[gngr~snap]

Thank you... I couldn't get it to play till I downloaded an updated flash...

Tim Curran did say that Adam reported he found her hanging from the balcony "with a rope around her neck".... I listened to it a few times and it makes me wonder if the rope was tied to any other part of her in addition to her neck.

He also said "we aren't going to comment on what she was anchored to inside"...or at least I thought he said "inside"..

He also said it was a rope...

but isn't that orange electric cord in the photos?

(or did I just read that)..

looks like it 100% to me.

 

[MizStery]

Anyone notice this odd coincidence?

http://poway.patch.com/articles/memorial-held-for-sdpd-detectives-daughter-and-new-spreckles-drama

The longtime SDPD chief of child abuse cases and her own daughter were found murdered a few days ago -- in circumstances eerily similar to the Shacknai case. She might have been involved in the determination of Max's cause of death, depending on when the Coronado police turned the case over to the San Diego PD.

There are similarities. Tragic.Senseless.
Warning:The text is graphic and disturbing.

Link

http://poway.patch.com/articles/double-homicide-claims-mother-daughter-in-rancho-peasquitos
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The teen's 24-year-old brother, Brian, was sitting next to her body in front of the home and was taken into custody, Collins said,*adding that police do not believe there are any other suspects. It appears the 18-year-old fell or was pushed from an upstairs balcony, and she also had knife wounds, Collins said. She was alive when paramedics arrived, but they were unable to save her, Collins said.


Neighbor Max Keomanivong, 22, said he heard screams from his home up the street and came outside to see the brother carrying the teen out of an upstairs window at the home and dangling her over the balcony. The brother then pushed the woman over the balcony, he said. The teen was naked, alive and covered in blood when he ran over to see if she was OK, Keomanivong said.

"It was gruesome ... not a pretty sight," Keomanivong said. Collins also confirmed that the teen's body was unclothed, and said it appears that was how she normally slept.*

 

[gngr~snap]

She was hanging by her neck.
"Jonah Shacknai's brother, Adam, told investigators he found Nalepa hanging from her neck from a balcony, her arms and feet tied. He then cut her down in hopes she was still alive."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...probing-womans-death-at-coronado-mansion.html

photoshop
Courtesy Bone Pile thread #3 pg 29?
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Also interesting: Did anyone know she could not swim?
Zahau-Loehner said Rebecca had a unique style, always coordinating her makeup to match her outfits. She said the family knew her as Becky and that she was a fitness fanatic, who always embraced new challenges, like the triathlon she was training for.

"I said, ‘How do you possibly plan to do the triathlon when you don't know how to swim?'" Zahau-Loehner recalled. "That's when she told me she signed up for swim lessons."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15145788/siste

 

[Paladine]

Haven't read through and caught up, yet...but as promised, the bedwetting link, for good measure. If it's a repeat, forgive me...please.

Dina also submitted a two-page letter, describing Jonah as temperamental. She said the incident began over a disagreement with their child’s soiled bedding and that Jonah cursed at her in front of their child.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/125848813.html
Source: Details Shed on Shacknai's Second Divorce | NBC San Diego

 

[justbetweenus]

photoshop
Courtesy Bone Pile thread #3 pg 29?
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Also interesting: Did anyone know she could not swim?
Zahau-Loehner said Rebecca had a unique style, always coordinating her makeup to match her outfits. She said the family knew her as Becky and that she was a fitness fanatic, who always embraced new challenges, like the triathlon she was training for.

"I said, ‘How do you possibly plan to do the triathlon when you don't know how to swim?'" Zahau-Loehner recalled. "That's when she told me she signed up for swim lessons."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15145788/siste

Thank-you. My eyes aren't the best, but that almost looks like it's hanging from a hook like a plant would?

 

[gngr~snap]

Thank-you. My eyes aren't the best, but that almost looks like it's hanging from a hook like a plant would?

I could be way off but my bet is that it was tied to the bed in that room and fed out just under the railing in order to support her body weight..
NOT that she is large but if the railing falls off/knot fails she might live..
(kinda "anti"suicidal) or if the knot didn't support her she could live and turn her killer in.
I think this person knew knots FWIW.

 

[defense101]

The more I read the more I am actually thinking she wasn't "hanging" by her neck. I think that was the assumption because they wouldn't say "suicide or murder"...so the assumption was she was hanging by her neck...

I went back to a lot of the old links on these pages, and saw some raw footage from the interview with Tim Curran that I found on Youtube...plus a few other TV news shows... nobody said she was found "hanging by her neck"... just "hanging"...

No doubt there was rope tied to her feet...they said they were "bound" but I believe they were clear that they were not tied together.... and her hands were tied behind her back....

I think the 911 tape might state she was hanging by her feet... and I bet we find out that AS pulled the table over to cut her down....because someone hung her feet first from the balcony..naked...with her hands bound behind her....

Someone was trying to make a point here....an angry point. To kill her and then display her naked body. Sounds personal to me.......

I think what he said was that the hands were tied behind her back, that her feet were bound but they weren't tied together. Meaning the hands and feet weren't tied together as in hogtied but the feet were bound. IMO

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Found this interesting tidbit posted on a separate forum. I researched the guy and he sounds legit. He also happens to be Michael Jackson's dermatologist as well and a friend to the stars (Liz Taylor, etc.)

A post in the Wall Street Journal:
For many years I was the main consultant to Medicis Pharmaceutical
Corporation run by Jonah Shacknai. I popularized their injectable filler
Restylane for wrinkle and lip augmentation by giving courses throughout
the US, Canada and Europe. Simultaneously Jonah used unlicensed foreign
doctors and sponsored courses and their educational seminars. At many
of the courses these individuals would treat patients. The main example
of this was Drs. Jean and Alastair Carruthers of Vancouver who created
and distributed a CD of my work and injection techniques through Johns
Hopkins! Furthermore, Jean published a paper describing my technique in
which she positioned herself as the senior author. in whichdecided she
would be the senior author on a lip injection paper. Subsequently,I did a
lip study for Medicis and then spent over 40 hours writing this pivitol
paper on lip enhancement with Restylane. The paper had to be accurate
and not like the ghastly ghost written “data” that floods the medical
literature. I also warned Medicis not to present this data to the FDA in
that it contained my personal injection techniques. I would expect that
it is very unusual for someone else to present the data. Contrary to my
agreement with Medicis they never published the paper I wrote on lip
augmentation and they presented my data to the FDA to expand the lip
study to multiple sites. With this expanded lip data Medicis gained FDA
approval for lip augmentation. As the money kept rolling in Jonah’s
houses kept getting larger and larger with Jonah himself developing
extreme arrogance totally losing contact with reality and developed a
tremendous overestimation of his capabilities, especially in regard to
his power. Needless to say though I had a signed agreement with Medicis
for my initial study on lips and the paper for $280,000 this did not
include the expanded studies and the work that would lead to FDA
approval in which they promised participation. But Jonah never paid me
and ceased to talk to me but as his wealth increased so did his
satyriasis --- his excessive, often uncontrollable sexual desire. Maybe
this was his desire to remain forever young. But this illness may very
well account for what happened at the Spreckles mansion as it did for
the action at Dupont Estate in Deleware.

Arnold W. Klein, MD
Professor of Medicine and Dermatology
UCLA
Klein Chair in Dermatology UCLA

 

[Paladine]

I am just catching up here.

BBM: She may have been hanging by her feet. There seems to be a very dark 'pooling' around her neck. Just JMO, though, but it was the first impression I had gotten and had also posted about maybe having been hogtied due to the bend in her legs. There could have been someone on the balcony controling how Rebecca fell.
I am leaning more toward DS and an attempt to frame JS. She seems to have the ability to feel rage toward Rebecca as much as jealousy, IMO.

MOO & all

We need news!

Additonally Bolded By Me

Chilling. Sadly...I can see that scenario.

 

[celticthyme]

Does anyone think JS might have hired his brother to come in and do the deed? Thought just occurred to me. Trying to figure out what he was doing there . . .

My $$ is still on the Ex. FWIW

 

[Paladine]

Does anyone think JS might have hired his brother to come in and do the deed? Thought just occurred to me. Trying to figure out what he was doing there . . .

My $$ is still on the Ex. FWIW

At this point, although I have my personal fave theories of posters and of my own, I do feel nothing can be ruled out...except suicide, IMO.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Arnold W. Klein, MD
Professor of Medicine and Dermatology
UCLA
Klein Chair in Dermatology UCLA

On Medicis
http://www.quora.com/Arnold-W-Klein/answers

 

[Paladine]

Yes, we have some info on Klein posted in another thread, maybe #3. I found it very interesting. Good to have it posted here, too...keeps those new to the case informed, imo...

 

[Paladine]

The more I read the more I am actually thinking she wasn't "hanging" by her neck. I think that was the assumption because they wouldn't say "suicide or murder"...so the assumption was she was hanging by her neck...

I went back to a lot of the old links on these pages, and saw some raw footage from the interview with Tim Curran that I found on Youtube...plus a few other TV news shows... nobody said she was found "hanging by her neck"... just "hanging"...
No doubt there was rope tied to her feet...they said they were "bound" but I believe they were clear that they were not tied together.... and her hands were tied behind her back....

I think the 911 tape might state she was hanging by her feet... and I bet we find out that AS pulled the table over to cut her down....because someone hung her feet first from the balcony..naked...with her hands bound behind her....

Someone was trying to make a point here....an angry point. To kill her and then display her naked body. Sounds personal to me.......

RBBM

Yes. I posted a similar opinion previously. Just cause she was 'hanging'...it doesn't mean by the neck. I, too, did some early reading and found "hanging"...not by WHAT, though...hanging, head down...? hands and feet tied? Seems plausible, to me...I THINK some assumed by the neck cause thats what people think of when they hear 'hanging', imo.

And I SO hear you on that last point...

 

[jstwondering]

Another interesting article from earlier on...

Spreckels mansion owner described as go-getter
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/16/spreckels-mansion-owner-described-go-getter/

Wow, I wish I knew how to put the photo in the article you posted next to a current photo. Shallow and has NOTHING to do with the case, but sure shows that less is more when injecting stuff into your face. IMO