Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[IzzyBlanche]

Maybe they plan to rule it a suicide if no other DNA at all is found on any of the items used to tie up Rebecca? I don't know how they can, really, otherwise.

Even the lack of anyone else's DNA on those items doesn't prove suicide. The killer could have worn gloves.

 

[Inobu]

There are aspects of this event that one must take into consideration. The words used and spoken, the context in which it was used and by whom.

Many are lead astray by the context of the word hanged used by the brother and him implying it to present a scene of a suicide. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion and following what the brother has stated but his statement may not be true. No one saw her hanging only the after math of his action "revival attempt".

The next point is the LE usage of suspended instead of hanged. That is a different word that describes a different manner of something in the air. It is an operative word that sets a different perspective.

The usage of bound and its description. Once again you have to interpret the word and its usage. Bound but not tied together. Example. Love cuffs (the fluffy kind) with spring clips can bind each ankle but not bind them together.

So don't just listen but listen to the word usage.

It is my opinion that the scene was staged based on a few things. (From the Ariel photo)

1. The orange cord or tether is a pointer that trails along. The feet was the lead and the loose end follows indicating the path or route in which the feet traveled. The cord trails rightward and away from the indicated hang point (Table). This means the brother would have carried her to the far right double the length on the cord and walk back for it to trail back to its resting point. If the table was used in either the hanging or body retrieval the brothers motion would have been a 180 turn and the cord would have been in a closer proximity trailing from the direction of the body.

2. The body was dumped and not placed as a rescuer would need to prepare the body/person for reviving (CPR). Her body was placed with arms in the rear in an unaltered state similar to a dumping and again the cord points to the direction traveled.

The inconsistencies are due to after thought and staging which does not coincide with physics and natural events.

What you must do is discern between the staged articles and natural articles.

There is no witness to an actual hanging only the word of the brother and it seems that many are taking it as factual. She was face down when the police arrived so the hanging can be questioned.

Inobu

 

[scorekeeper]

Inobu,

Very interesting 1st post. Definitely is very thought provoking.

Are you a chemist? (just kidding)

:welcome:

 

[jjenny]

I wonder if it was "normal" for Rebecca to be speaking with her sister at midnight? That phone call everything was fine, and Rebecca was going to update her about Maxie "tomorrow".

Considering that little boy was dying in the hospital, one wouldn't expect for their conversation to be "normal" anyway.

 

[jjenny]

..people from the fitness club she worked out at have said that she was in great shape, and very strong.

..if someone attacked her, i would think they'd have some pretty major bruises etc. from her attacking back, with her feet. there would definitely be signs of a struggle.

..and who knows, maybe there was, LE isn't giving us too much hard info------while they await autopsy/forensic/tox reports.

That depends on what she was doing. For instance, she could have been asleep.

 

[jjenny]

If they think it is a suicide I would think they would want to wait on the toxicology reports to come in and see if she was highly intoxicated on alcohol or drugs at the time which is common when people decide to take their lives. I guess it numbs their pain and gives them courage.

IMO

I am not sure how one can be "highly intoxicated" yet manage to bind their feet and their hands behind their back, then hang themselves.

 

[Wendy101]

Considering that little boy was dying in the hospital, one wouldn't expect for their conversation to be "normal" anyway.

What I was meaning was the time normal for them. I don't like using the word "normal" because all humans have their own normal... so that is why I put quotations around it. Hope I am saying that right

 

[Inobu]

Inobu,

Very interesting 1st post. Definitely is very thought provoking.

Are you a chemist? (just kidding)

:welcome:

No, I slept at Holiday Inn Express last night.

Had to post here as this case is really interesting as well as this forum with good post so I thought I would join.

Thanks

Inobu

 

[jjenny]

What I was meaning was the time normal for them. I don't like using the word "normal" because all humans have their own normal... so that is why I put quotations around it. Hope I am saying that right

I understood what you meant. But because the child was in the hospital, I wouldn't expect them to be talking at their normal time anyway.

 

[scorekeeper]

Are there 5 star hotels close to the hospital? Do you think JS had a room? I would much rather be 5 minutes from the hospital instead of 30 minutes (I think this is close to the time given from the mansion to hospital).

Remember RN boarded Ocean (the dog) on Tuesday morning.

Wonder why she went home, if JS had a room........speculation

 

[pferrin]

Inobu. glad you are here. Actually this group hasused much discernment over the last many days and you are bringing added insight. Thank you. Your explanation of cord/rope and trailing continues my belief in this homicide.

I was looking at photos and there appears to be a great deal of dark bruising beneath the neck..any ideas anyone?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I am not sure how one can be "highly intoxicated" yet manage to bind their feet and their hands behind their back, then hang themselves.

Exactly--highly intoxicated people who commit suicide use simpler methods.

 

[Inobu]

Well after all police did describe her death as "violent." So how does that jive with suicide?

Taking LE operative words is the only way one can follow along and they are pointing out facts that they find.

The context of "violent"... is it the violent nature of death by hanging or bodily violence inflected on her.

Inobu

 

[scorekeeper]

Inobu. glad you are here. Actually this group hasused much discernment over the last many days and you are bringing added insight. Thank you. Your explanation of cord/rope and trailing continues my belief in this homicide.

I was looking at photos and there appears to be a great deal of dark bruising beneath the neck..any ideas anyone?

BBM

Heck, from the pictures I downloaded (on her back), I can't tell...the more I enlarge them the blurrier they get.....plus the eyes aren't as good as they used to be...

I see the "blue scarf" floating out to the side...I don't know what the "white" thingy is at the top of the picture

If she was on her back initially....when she was turned over...is the darker part some of her hair???

 

[pferrin]

I have stayed in hotel rooms near the hospital when hubby was very ill. I believe that Rebecca was staying at home dealing with JS brothers arrival. Perhaps getting GS to the airport.

She did tell her sis that she would be going to hospital on wednesday. According to ValHall,..her source said RN had been to hospital on tuesday..and I listened to dispatch and police and know that officer took her on monday after Maxies accident.

The thigh area on RN looks to have livor begining IMO.

 

[pferrin]

Scorkeeper..The pics from fox are a bit blurry. I got out my jewelers glasses and look at RN with them and noticed below the neck has very dark coloration. it is the first time I noticed it. I was looking at the trailing of the cord/rope. It is below scarf area.

IMO dont think it is her hair.

 

[pferrin]

I had not thought about the rope/cord trailing and its importance. Another piece of evidence to point to homicide. Since the brother was the only one there when police arrived and since his story was that he cut RN down..we know he has involvement.IMO

 

[Charlie09]

Someone asked about 5 star hotels on hotel circle. No, they are family and business traveler hotels. The nicer more resort hotels are going to be in La Jolla and maybe some downtown???

 

[pferrin]

If JS brother AS is involved what could be possible motives?

Cover up a sexual assault?
Jealousy of brothers success?
Helping JS with crime?
Are there any reasons he might help DS commit this crime?

I agree with the retired SDPD detective that said..Someone was very angry..

 

[MsFacetious]

If they think it is a suicide I would think they would want to wait on the toxicology reports to come in and see if she was highly intoxicated on alcohol or drugs at the time which is common when people decide to take their lives. I guess it numbs their pain and gives them courage.

IMO

This is true.... unless of course there is such a large amount of drugs or alcohol in her system... that it would have incapacitated her.
That she would have been unconscious and unable to tie a knot, put herself in a noose, put herself over the balcony or kick a table out from under her.
There have been a few cases where a suicide/accident was proven to be murder because they wouldn't have been able to do what was done due to the level of drugs they were given.