Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[Inobu]

When you look at the evidence that LE took (Table, Carpet and bags) it proves that they have most of what the need.

The carpet indicates another point of interest inside the home. The bags reduces the size of the articles of interest and the table is a deductive piece if evidence to collaborate if there was a suicide hanging.

What little info I'm going to make my guess:

Assailant:
Brother

Motive:
Nephew's death

Reason
I think he was trying to force a confession into what happened to his nephew. (LE violence comment). He may have gone too far resulting in her death. (Criminal act)
Supportive info
The loud music to drown out the event, the carpet showing another area of interest were the death may have occurred, the inconsistencies in the suicide area, revival attempt and body placement.

Note
I don't think either of the parents were present or directly involved.
I don"t think any sexual activity with the brother occurred but the nudity is a confusion factor which may have been added in the staging.

That seems to fit as the best probability.

Inobu

 

[pferrin]

Why would AS think that Maxie's fall was anything other than an accident? Certainly the killer would realize that a nude body would draw more attention to this situation...unless she was nude when he confronted her?

 

[Carrington]

Why would AS think that Maxie's fall was anything other than an accident? Certainly the killer would realize that a nude body would draw more attention to this situation...unless she was nude when he confronted her?

I can't find the exact answer I was googling for.
Anyway, my as of this moment theory is: Maxie could have been saved if Rebecca had not moved him. (CPR) which she did.

Blame

IMO

 

[Charlie09]

When you look at the evidence that LE took (Table, Carpet and bags) it proves that they have most of what the need.

The carpet indicates another point of interest inside the home. The bags reduces the size of the articles of interest and the table is a deductive piece if evidence to collaborate if there was a suicide hanging.

What little info I'm going to make my guess:

Assailant:
Brother

Motive:
Nephew's death

Reason
I think he was trying to force a confession into what happened to his nephew. (LE violence comment). He may have gone too far resulting in her death. (Criminal act)
Supportive info
The loud music to drown out the event, the carpet showing another area of interest were the death may have occurred, the inconsistencies in the suicide area, revival attempt and body placement.

Note
I don't think either of the parents were present or directly involved.
I don"t think any sexual activity with the brother occurred but the nudity is a confusion factor which may have been added in the staging.

That seems to fit as the best probability.

Inobu

He could also be convenient scapegoat for powerful, wealthy brother, with spinners by the boatload.

I realize that if the JS said anything everyone would be tearing it apart bit by bit, but I think the fact that the only thing that has been publicly released is by a PR firm about HIS image (and domestic abuse) speaks volumes.

 

[Inobu]

Why would AS think that Maxie's fall was anything other than an accident? Certainly the killer would realize that a nude body would draw more attention to this situation...unless she was nude when he confronted her?

It is easy for us "outsider" to accept an accident but the people with emotional connection wants to know exactly what happened. Also the natural reaction is the placement of blame. In the report it only says a fall no detail into how it occurred.

We have adult supervision of children to prevent and guard children from harm when the accident occurs what is the first reaction? Search for or seek fault.

It appeared that the police took two women in for questioning to determined what happened and no details were ever given or any that I have found.

This would drive someone involved to want to know why? and only the people present in the child's death were the women and they could not or did not give the exact answer.

Inobu

 

[MizStery]

It is easy for us "outsider" to accept an accident but the people with emotional connection wants to know exactly what happened. Also the natural reaction is the placement of blame. In the report it only says a fall no detail into how it occurred.

We have adult supervision of children to prevent and guard children from harm when the accident occurs what is the first reaction? Search for or seek fault.

It appeared that the police took two women in for questioning to determined what happened and no details were ever given or any that I have found.

This would drive someone involved to want to know why? and only the people present in the child's death were the women and they could not or did not give the exact answer.
Inobu

Another clue (as far as I know) is AS is the last known person to see RN alive.

This is just my opinion.

Good night to all.

 

[Inobu]

Another clue (as far as I know) is AS is the last known person to see RN alive.

This is just my opinion.

Good night to all.

You are right and here's how it really works.

The killer is the last person to see someone alive and the first person to see them dead.

The question is, What was AS? 1st or 2nd of the latter.

Me too. Good night

Inobu

 

[Charlie09]

Another clue (as far as I know) is AS is the last known person to see RN alive.

This is just my opinion.

Good night to all.

I somehow missed this tidbit.

 

[lauriej]

It is easy for us "outsider" to accept an accident but the people with emotional connection wants to know exactly what happened. Also the natural reaction is the placement of blame. In the report it only says a fall no detail into how it occurred.

We have adult supervision of children to prevent and guard children from harm when the accident occurs what is the first reaction? Search for or seek fault.

It appeared that the police took two women in for questioning to determined what happened and no details were ever given or any that I have found.

This would drive someone involved to want to know why? and only the people present in the child's death were the women and they could not or did not give the exact answer.

Inobu

..that's the problem--------we DON'T have a lot of details to go on at all.

..we don't know that LE questioned rebecca and GS "and no details were given", or that they couldn't "give an exact answer".

..we do know that LE took rebecca and GS in the police car to the hospital, and not "in for questioning".( per:"pferrin" and radioreference).

..i have a hard time believing that anyone would blame an adult (rebecca) for not "supervising" a 6 year old-----b/c an accident occurred at the time. ( and then murder her b/c of it).

..a 6 year old is quite old enough to play indoors without constant supervision.

..we need further info from LE. basically all of the news articles we've had to date were a re-hash of the same old same old as far as the crime scene goes------once they get forensics/autopsy/tox reports, and release them---we'll have a lot more to base theories on.

 

[lauriej]

Another clue (as far as I know) is AS is the last known person to see RN alive.

This is just my opinion.

Good night to all.

..what makes you think that? what i know is that rebecca's sister was the last one to talk to her------i've never seen anything to say that adam SAW her ?

 

[10-6Mom]

Maybe they plan to rule it a suicide if no other DNA at all is found on any of the items used to tie up Rebecca? I don't know how they can, really, otherwise. And if they do find other DNA, it still would not really prove murder, but make it murkier yet...

This could be the case, but IMO no DNA or just RN's does not convince me this is a suicide!! IMO LE/ME have determined by now if this is a homicide or a suicide. I feel they are getting all of their ducks in a row or right now this is a HUGE circumstantial evidence case and they are trying to get as much evidence to support what actually happened. I have said before, it blows me away how tight lipped the involved parties are in this case. With the players involved in this case LE has one chance to get this correct! jMO

 

[CocoChanel]

It is easy for us "outsider" to accept an accident but the people with emotional connection wants to know exactly what happened. Also the natural reaction is the placement of blame. In the report it only says a fall no detail into how it occurred.

We have adult supervision of children to prevent and guard children from harm when the accident occurs what is the first reaction? Search for or seek fault.

(....respectfully snipped by Coco)

Inobu

I know some feel that assigning blame and seeking punishment for who's at fault is not what Maxie's family would be concerned about in the days after his terrible accident and before his actual death. But I think that depends on individual personalities. In my own family there are some of us who expect nothing bad to ever happen, and when it does, someone must have done something wrong. Even something as minor as spilt milk has those with a blame-seeking personality pointing fingers and chastising those who's ineptness caused the milk to spill. I do not mean to equate this child's tragic accident with spilt milk. Just pointing out that a competitive and vengeful personality WOULD be searching for who 'should have' prevented the terrible accident from happening in the first place.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am not sure how one can be "highly intoxicated" yet manage to bind their feet and their hands behind their back, then hang themselves.

I honestly have no idea either but the death investigators do seem to think toxicology results can be a factor in suicides.

This morning I read this article. Now they did declare his MOD as a suicide quickly but they also added this.

Los Angeles County Assistant Coroner Chief Ed Winter told The Associated Press in an email Friday that the 42-year-old Irabu died by hanging himself, and the mode was suicide. He said Irabu did not leave a note.

Winter said an autopsy was performed Friday, but it will take six to eight weeks for the results of toxicology tests, which could shed further light on the circumstances of Irabu's death.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6...hanged-self?campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why would AS think that Maxie's fall was anything other than an accident? Certainly the killer would realize that a nude body would draw more attention to this situation...unless she was nude when he confronted her?

This is what has had my head shaking from the beginning.

If someone actually murdered her why would they stage a suicide that looks more like a homicide?

Why go through the process of binding her feet and wrists? Why put her outside hanging over the balcony at all so that it can be labeled violent and bizarre? If they wanted to stage a suicide they could have forced her at gunpoint to take pills and she would have overdosed inside the mansion.

While the suicide is odd it is even odder to me that someone would stage a homicide as a suicide this way.

imo

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I honestly have no idea either but the death investigators do seem to think toxicology results can be a factor in suicides.

This morning I read this article. Now they did declare his MOD as a suicide quickly but they also added this.

Los Angeles County Assistant Coroner Chief Ed Winter told The Associated Press in an email Friday that the 42-year-old Irabu died by hanging himself, and the mode was suicide. He said Irabu did not leave a note.

Winter said an autopsy was performed Friday, but it will take six to eight weeks for the results of toxicology tests, which could shed further light on the circumstances of Irabu's death.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6...hanged-self?campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

But did he also bind his hands and feet?

 

[jjenny]

I know some feel that assigning blame and seeking punishment for who's at fault is not what Maxie's family would be concerned about in the days after his terrible accident and before his actual death. But I think that depends on individual personalities. In my own family there are some of us who expect nothing bad to ever happen, and when it does, someone must have done something wrong. Even something as minor as spilt milk has those with a blame-seeking personality pointing fingers and chastising those who's ineptness caused the milk to spill. I do not mean to equate this child's tragic accident with spilt milk. Just pointing out that a competitive and vengeful personality WOULD be searching for who 'should have' prevented the terrible accident from happening in the first place.

ITA. Even if child's death was a tragic accident, doesn't mean somebody couldn't have blamed RN because she was a caregiver at the time.

 

[Wendy101]

..that's the problem--------we DON'T have a lot of details to go on at all.

..we don't know that LE questioned rebecca and GS "and no details were given", or that they couldn't "give an exact answer".

..we do know that LE took rebecca and GS in the police car to the hospital, and not "in for questioning".( per:"pferrin" and radioreference).

..i have a hard time believing that anyone would blame an adult (rebecca) for not "supervising" a 6 year old-----b/c an accident occurred at the time. ( and then murder her b/c of it).

..a 6 year old is quite old enough to play indoors without constant supervision.

..we need further info from LE. basically all of the news articles we've had to date were a re-hash of the same old same old as far as the crime scene goes------once they get forensics/autopsy/tox reports, and release them---we'll have a lot more to base theories on.

What if he was a special needs child and required extreme supervision...

 

[peace9274]

..that's the problem--------we DON'T have a lot of details to go on at all.

..we don't know that LE questioned rebecca and GS "and no details were given", or that they couldn't "give an exact answer".

..we do know that LE took rebecca and GS in the police car to the hospital, and not "in for questioning".( per:"pferrin" and radioreference).

..i have a hard time believing that anyone would blame an adult (rebecca) for not "supervising" a 6 year old-----b/c an accident occurred at the time. ( and then murder her b/c of it).

..a 6 year old is quite old enough to play indoors without constant supervision.

..we need further info from LE. basically all of the news articles we've had to date were a re-hash of the same old same old as far as the crime scene goes------once they get forensics/autopsy/tox reports, and release them---we'll have a lot more to base theories on.

BBM

Anger, one of the stages of grief, could very well turn to rage.
It could very well be displaced anger/rage, in this case.


Taken from Dr Kubler-Ross' 5 Stages of Grief:
"2. Anger Stage.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead),
or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place,
even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it."

Also:
"Grief And Stress

During grief, it is common to have many conflicting feelings. Sorrow, anger, loneliness, sadness, shame,
anxiety, and guilt often accompany serious losses. Having so many strong feelings can be very stressful.

Yet denying the feelings, and failing to work through the five stages of grief, is harder on the body and
mind than going through them. When people suggest "looking on the bright side," or other ways of cutting
off difficult feelings, the grieving person may feel pressured to hide or deny these emotions. Then it will take
longer for healing to take place."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But did he also bind his hands and feet?

I don't know. I don't think they listed any particulars about his hanging death.

But my point of linking the article was to show they do take into consideration toxicology results and enter that into their equation.

 

[pferrin]

I wonder if it was "normal" for Rebecca to be speaking with her sister at midnight? That phone call everything was fine, and Rebecca was going to update her about Maxie "tomorrow".

It is easy for us "outsider" to accept an accident but the people with emotional connection wants to know exactly what happened. Also the natural reaction is the placement of blame. In the report it only says a fall no detail into how it occurred.

We have adult supervision of children to prevent and guard children from harm when the accident occurs what is the first reaction? Search for or seek fault.

It appeared that the police took two women in for questioning to determined what happened and no details were ever given or any that I have found.

This would drive someone involved to want to know why? and only the people present in the child's death were the women and they could not or did not give the exact answer.

Inobu

On tuesday evening Maxie had not been pronounce dead...He was still having tests done???

The police did go to the JS home when the call about Maxies call came in. They took RN and the other female in the home to meet with JS ..he had already arrived at the hospital. Then police took the females home.

I was listening to scanner archives..I think he stayed at the home 15-30 min at max. I do recall it was not long. Police were satisfied that this was an accident ..until RN death.

I am struck with the violent death..The nudity..anger..in your face display. Why the nudity..if this was about RN allowing Maxie to get hurt then bindings..display..location.... goes way past anger that Maxie being injured.

This IMO was to send a message. RN was dead so who is this message meant for?? There is more to this story. imo