Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[arielilane]

This may be old news, however, Dina was once part of Medici.

http://thesocialdiary.com/oscardelarenta1.html

 

[mentalsolstice]

Did Adam say he did CPR? He may have jumped up on the table and grabbed her around the hips/legs or waist and tried to lift her body up to relieve the tension on her neck from the rope while trying to cut her down. If the electrical cord was around her neck (which I am not sure it was) then he would have tried to remove it hoping she could breathe or at least loosened it way up.

IMO

Snipped. IMO, "efforts to revive" could mean a variety of things, such as feeling for a pulse, lightly slapping the face, loosening the noose, etc. IMO, I don't think it matters if it was done by AS, LE or EMTs. Actual CPR may never have happened, but efforts were made to determine if it even plausible to attempt, and then she was pronounced dead at the scene.

I also don't think AS lied to his LL about his whereabouts, especially if left in a hurry. I'm not "liking" AS for this if it was indeed a homicide. Too many other <unusual> persons involved. MOO

 

[arielilane]

Mr. Pfingst currently represents clients in complex litigation, white collar crime, and professional licensing matters.

http://www.higgslaw.com/apg_a53_Paul_J_Pfingst.html

 

[CuriousAmazon]

If JS had hired him..there would be no need to show up at the home. Phingst know LE rules about gaining access. Also why do the interview..if JS or PR company hired him..he just put JS more in the limelight. IMO JS does not want to have his name associated with this crime at all.

Sort of in the same thought process with a little different interpretation...what IF JS or Medicis hired Phingst to be there for police questioning of the scene with AS. I'm assuming AS was still there at the crime scene and that was why the attorney went there in person vice waiting to talk to him later...to say to AS, don't say anything, don't incrimate yourself, you're legally not required to answer those questions, etc or to say to LE my Client doesn't need to answer that question. AS may have had little to no money to hire this guy, but surely JS or Medicis would do so...because he appears to be ALL about his image, his company, his PR... My :twocents:

 

[Carrington]

http://kims3003.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-Jonah-Shaknai-Who-Killed-Rebecca-Nalepa-Zahau

Information we have not seem before, to my knowledge, about her ex.
It's a blog, so I don't know if information is correct.

IMO

 

[arielilane]

Sort of in the same though process with a little different interpretation...what IF JS or Medicis hired Phingst to be there for police questioning of the scene with AS. I'm assuming AS was still there at the crime scene and that was why the attorney went there in person vice waiting to talk to him later...to say, don't say anything, don't incrimate yourself, you're legally not required to answer those questions, etc. AS may have had little money to hire this guy, but surely JS will do so...because he appears to be ALL about his image, his company, his PR... :twocents:

I agree with your post.

I'd like to add that when a crime or what appears to be a crime, person with money is concerned; not too far behind is an attorney.

 

[SunnieRN]

From what I read... Paul Pfingst was seen at the mansion last night. He confirmed he was representing someone associated with the house,but said that person is not Jonah Shacknai. Now what that means I'm not sure. that would mean DS or AS?

Just curious, but do we actually know when GS left San Diego? Could GS be the client that is being represented?

 

[defense101]

Just curious, but do we actually know when GS left San Diego? Could GS be the client that is being represented?

I believe GS left the day after MS accident. If I'm wrong please correct me.

 

[lauriej]

Wednesday evening, former District Attorney and current defense attorney Paul Pfingst showed up at the crime scene. Pfingst confirmed to News 8 that he had been hired to represent someone connected with this case, although he would not specify who his client is.

"I'm not Jonah's lawyer. I've never spoke with him. As far as I know he's not a suspect of any type," Pfingst said in a statement.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...mansion-owners-son-girlfriend?redirected=true

BBM

Why would he say that? How would he know that? Unless DS, AS or JS told him.

..he may have just been answering the reporter's question, much the same as tim curran answered @ the press conf. when asked if anyone was a suspect-----"no, everyone at this point is a 'witness'.."

..reporter----"mr.pfingst, are you jonah's lawyer?? is he a suspect??"

..pfingst-----"no, i'm not jonahs' lawyer----as far as i know he's not a suspect of any type.."

 

[Curious Me]

I wonder who the other clients are of that PR team that was hired? Media clients, perhaps? As soon as that PR team was hired, it was like a faucet turned OFF! No info. Something to sleuth...it's my BD today, I hate BD's...but I gotta go out w/the kids and act happy, lol...or I'd search myself...

ALL IMO

:bdsurprise:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PALADINE!

:bdsong:

 

[jjenny]

The houses are so close. I wonder if any neighbors heard anything?

Loud music? At least that what was reported. Loud music obviously could be used to cover up any sort of noise one doesn't want neighbors to hear.

 

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BBM

His apartment manager said "he saw him a couple days ago". The article was written on the 15th; MS had his "accident" on the the 11th. Did he see him Sunday, Monday or Tuesday am (not sure when he arrived at the mansion - Monday/Tueday)....

Did JS or someone send for him? To get information from RN? Do "do the dirty work"?

I don't think RN's death was random either....the way she was found...speak anger, anger, anger..

This was also taken from the article:

Adam Shacknai said from San Diego that the police were questioning him but he did not have anything to do with Nalepa's death.

Why would you say that??? Did JS or DS make such statements????

Without more information, there are to many unanswered questions and theories

scorekeeper ... I could look at it this way. I think more often those that are not guilty plainly say they didn't do it? The wording is a bit odd though, as in, he references a death that someone may have caused and others may have helped (to cover up or plan or whatever)? I don't have the perfect wording to cover all possibilities, it just makes me wonder if he's afraid someone thinks he helped in some way. Is he excluding himself from both a murder AND helping with this statement.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I wonder who the other clients are of that PR team that was hired? Media clients, perhaps? As soon as that PR team was hired, it was like a faucet turned OFF! No info. Something to sleuth...it's my BD today, I hate BD's...but I gotta go out w/the kids and act happy, lol...or I'd search myself...

ALL IMO

BBM and O/T:

Happy Birthday, Paladine! Hope it is a great one!!

 

[Inobu]

I do find your posts very interesting Inobu.

However I am not following your logic.

Are you saying Adam knew ahead of time that Maxie was going to fall down the stairs and die and RN was going to die too?:waitasec:

IMO

Adam Shacknai lives in an apartment in Midtown Memphis. His leasing agent neighbor, Robert Sanders, said he last saw him a few days ago.

"He said that he was going to have to go back out on the tugboat company he works for," said Sanders.

Instead, Adam Shacknai ended up in San Diego in a guest house in his brother's mansion.


Robert was under the impression that AS was going back to the tugboat based on what AS told him.

The critical point is when did he have that conversation with AS?

Alibi's are established by someone collaborating the location of another.

Robert thought AS was going to the tugboat based on AS comment.

MS was rushed to the hospital on July 11 if the comment between AS and Robert occurred before MS accident then the comment has truth and a casual conversation.

If the comment was made after July 11 and AS knew about MS accident and was in the way to San Diego He should have told Robert that he was going to San Diego and not the tug boat. The question is when did AS arrive in San Diego and did he know he was going to San Diego when he had the conversation with Robert.

The article was written July 15. Robert said that he talked to AS a few days ago. Lets say a few days ago is 3. Then his conversation took place on the July 12th. If AS knew about the accident then his response would have been "I might have to go to San Diego instead of the tugboat". This is why the date of the conversation is important.

It establish a time line and an account of AS moves

The way the story is written AS was "living" in San Diego but that is not the case he was visiting. AS must have just arrived based on the conversation with the housing agent in Memphis this sheds more light on why and how AS enters the picture.

Adam certainly isn't the only family member that has compromised a scene when they have found a loved one dead from murder, natural causes, overdoses or suicides. I really don't think he was thinking about Crime Scene 101 at the time all of this was happening.

How can we judge people's credibility when we have not even seen them or heard them speak?

You did not need to meet or know OJ to know that the inconsistencies with Nicole and Ron case had foul play as in this case.

I don't think her neck had to be necessarily broken. The balcony was not up real high. I imagine there was spinal damage and brain stem damage but she most likely died from asphyxiation. Had she jumped off the balcony without a rope she may have broken her neck and some of her lower extremities. In the photo her face is straight up. It does not look like the neck is broken Her face doesn't even look bloated, blackened and swollen imo.

It is not the height that breaks the neck it is the weight and tension she had enough weight but the height is unknown. They have to measure the rope and its length. Your latter comment questions the hanging too. What you listed are the tell tale signs which goes against his claim that she was hanging when he got to that area.

I would imagine since time was of the essence he cut her down first and then dialed 911. I think it is misinformation that she was ever face down. Imo she laid in the same position seen in the photos until the ME came out the the scene later that night after the SW was obtaine. By the time the media helicopter swooped in around 2 pm the medics had long been on the scene when called early that morning.

Point 2 his reasoning to moving the body was to revive her. Where as there is no evidence of him making an attempt just as you pointed out.

Did Adam say he did CPR? He may have jumped up on the table and grabbed her around the hips/legs or waist and tried to lift her body up to relieve the tension on her neck from the rope while trying to cut her down. If the electrical cord was around her neck (which I am not sure it was) then he would have tried to remove it hoping she could breathe or at least loosened it way up.

IMO

CPR is the only revival means he could perform. If he cannot perform CPR then how cant you attempt to do something you don"t know how to do?

Even you are point out all the inconsistencies that should have been done based on his reasoning for cutting her down. The photo shows nothing but a body dumping so to speak. The only thing he was successful at is disrupting the investigation scene.

 

[defense101]

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Originally posted by Inobu


Point 2 his reasoning to moving the body was to revive her. Where as there is no evidence of him making an attempt just as you pointed out.


CPR is the only revival means he could perform. If he cannot perform CPR then how cant you attempt to do something you don"t know how to do?

Even you are point out all the inconsistencies that should have been done based on his reasoning for cutting her down. The photo shows nothing but a body dumping so to speak. The only thing he was successful at is disrupting the investigation scene.[/QUOTE]


Exactly, and in the press conference, A journalist asks him " When Adam made the 911 call, he said what?", and Capt. Curran replies "That there was a woman on the property and that she appeared to be dead". This would tell me he knew when he made the call that she was dead, what I find interesting is that he said "there was a woman on the property" as if disconnecting any connection to RN, why not say my brothers girlfriend?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

scorekeeper ... I could look at it this way. I think more often those that are not guilty plainly say they didn't do it? The wording is a bit odd though, as in, he references a death that someone may have caused and others may have helped (to cover up or plan or whatever)? I don't have the perfect wording to cover all possibilities, it just makes me wonder if he's afraid someone thinks he helped in some way. Is he excluding himself from both a murder AND helping with this statement.

It is understandable when the death investigation began that LE would come right out and ask Dina, Jonah or Adam if either one of them had anything to do with Rebecca's death. I would be amazed to learn LE did not go this route since the death had been ruled suspicious. Remember LE was/is in an investigative mode with no determination reached.

LE takes the opportunity when it presents itself and asking them early on lets them know they are going to get to the bottom of it one way or another. They do this to watch their reactions and how they answer the questions.

So Adam denying he had anything to do with Rebecca's death is just reaffirming what he has already told LE. I really dont see a motive for Adam to be involved.

Now it doesn't mean in the end the death wont be ruled a suicide but LE knows usually they have only one or two bites at the apple before everyone will lawyer up even if they are innocent because they may think LE is going to try a pin a homicide on them.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Snipped. IMO, "efforts to revive" could mean a variety of things, such as feeling for a pulse, lightly slapping the face, loosening the noose, etc. IMO, I don't think it matters if it was done by AS, LE or EMTs. Actual CPR may never have happened, but efforts were made to determine if it even plausible to attempt, and then she was pronounced dead at the scene.

I also don't think AS lied to his LL about his whereabouts, especially if left in a hurry. I'm not "liking" AS for this if it was indeed a homicide. Too many other <unusual> persons involved. MOO

I agree. He may have thought if he cut her down and loosened the tension on the noose ......she might be able to breathe.

It is impossible to get into the mind of someone who is having to face such traumatic circumstances.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

I agree. He may have thought if he cut her down and loosened the tension on the noose ......she might be able to breathe.

It is impossible to get into the mind of someone who is having to face such traumatic circumstances.

IMO

Well whatever his intentions were, unfortunately all it accomplished is disturbing the scene.

 

[Inobu]

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Originally posted by Inobu


Point 2 his reasoning to moving the body was to revive her. Where as there is no evidence of him making an attempt just as you pointed out.


CPR is the only revival means he could perform. If he cannot perform CPR then how cant you attempt to do something you don"t know how to do?

Even you are point out all the inconsistencies that should have been done based on his reasoning for cutting her down. The photo shows nothing but a body dumping so to speak. The only thing he was successful at is disrupting the investigation scene.

Exactly, and in the press conference, A journalist asks him " When Adam made the 911 call, he said what?", and Capt. Curran replies "That there was a woman on the property and that she appeared to be dead". This would tell me he knew when he made the call that she was dead, what I find interesting is that he said "there was a woman on the property" as if disconnecting any connection to RN, why not say my brothers girlfriend?[/QUOTE]

Good catch...........

Don't just listen but listen to the words they say.

 

[pferrin]

I have been thinking about trailing cord. It is possible when AS cut RN down and was putting her on ground that the cord..rope got tangled around him. He could have flung it off ..making this looked unnatural.

The position of the rope on the neck can cause the neck to snap ..ie in nazi times they did much testing on the position of the rope. The neck does not always break when a person is hanged.