Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[justice be served]

That is interesting Cleo. But when you said:

"Mom learned quickly that if she wanted to yell at one of us, she either had to put Lucky outside or lock her in a bedroom; if she didn't take those actions, Lucky would jump up and start biting at my mother's arms and legs."

.........Then my thoughts go to the fact that those precautions were pretty obviously not taken by any of the parties based on the injuries shown on DS in the police reports. Not sure why.

 

[Inobu]

Inobu, I came here because I was interested in this case and valued everyone's thoughts & opinions. DDIASCI

This case is very interesting hard not to follow.

You guys keep looking but don't "charge in" look at things in detail and look for the truth.

I can't get past the first 15 minutes of the investigation because of the questionable account.

tiresblondy, CuriousAmazon

This is what I have issues with and I know that some here that have issues with my centralizing on a few trivial facts but that is the nature of the beast. It is the trivial facts that are missed by assailants which the investigators find to catch them.

The truth is the truth and has rhyme and reason. A lie is false and deviates from rhyme and reason that is what you key on. You cannot have a lie true but you can have a true lie.

The truth is either in the open or covered by lies. It is up to you to discern if the truth is in the open if not you have to uncover the lies.

In RN’s case the truth is not in the open that is why it is so bazaar. What is covering the truth? That is what you need to look for and remove in order to get to the bottom of her case.

Start from the beginning. Neither of the events has a natural flow based on what was reported.

Inconsistencies

1. 911 call – a women “appeared to be dead”

2. Cutting her down – Adam reportedly cut her down from where she was hanging in an attempt to save her.

Scenario 1 Usage on the term "appeared to be dead"

If the 911 call was made first, then AS made a somewhat acknowledgement that she was dead buy saying “appeared to be dead”. With that said there would have been no reason to cut her down. Let's say there was sign’s of life after the call. Then he would have made an attempt to revive and we would have seen the scarf removed and the body poised for CPR but we didn't.

Question: Was he standing there looking up at the body and reporting the incident to 911? This question is made so you can mentally place yourself in the event. Did he hang up and then cut her down?

if so, he should have positioned the body and started CPR until EMT arrived and they would have taken over.

This was not the case as we can see in the images EMT left the body as is.

Scenario 2

If he cut her down before calling 911 then he would have been in close proximity to her and would have known for sure that she was dead. The comment that she “appeared to be dead” would not have been made in that his revival attempt was futile and he stopped to call 911.

But once again the body position does not reflect a revival attempt by anyone. If RN remotely looked alive they (EMT) would have jumped on her and had her positioned for CRP. That proves that she was far gone when they arrived and negates AS account for cutting her down.

The next factor that indicated that she was far gone was her leg position. The angle of her body and knees were open and should have fell closed if she was placed down before RM - Rigor mortis. If AS cut her down then he had to feel that she was in RM and negates his complete initial account again.

This is just the basic introduction not 15 minutes into the event and it goes from the truth.

This doesn’t say that he did it but it removes creditability to his account of a hanging.

Everyone is taking his word that she was hung or found hanging from the balcony. No one can collaborate that other than AS.

Why are you taking AS word as the truth? Have you ever considered that he was covering something?

Here is the next question that you need to ask your self.

What is on the carpet and picture? Out of all the things to take out of the house they took a picture. What does a picture, have to do with a suicide?
Do you think she wrote her suicide note on the picture? If so LE would have said the have the note. Logic states that there is residue or splatter of some short which opens the possibility that another event occurred in another location.

Criminal want you to believe what they want you to believe. Seek the truth and don't be swayed in your search.

People like RN don't come all the way from Burma to America to commit suicide.

Inobu

Lotta insight in these images. It shows a lot.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/questions-remain-after-deaths-of-coronado-mansion-owners-son-girlfriend?redirected=true

When its said and done I will show you what I saw in the images.

 

[defense101]

This case is very interesting hard not to follow.

You guys keep looking but don't "charge in" look at things in detail and look for the truth.

I can't get past the first 15 minutes of the investigation because of the questionable account.

tiresblondy, CuriousAmazon

This is what I have issues with and I know that some here that have issues with my centralizing on a few trivial facts but that is the nature of the beast. It is the trivial facts that are missed by assailants which the investigators find to catch them.

The truth is the truth and has rhyme and reason. A lie is false and deviates from rhyme and reason that is what you key on. You cannot have a lie true but you can have a true lie.

The truth is either in the open or covered by lies. It is up to you to discern if the truth is in the open if not you have to uncover the lies.

In RN’s case the truth is not in the open that is why it is so bazaar. What is covering the truth? That is what you need to look for and remove in order to get to the bottom of her case.

Start from the beginning. Neither of the events has a natural flow based on what was reported.

Inconsistencies

1. 911 call – a women “appeared to be dead”

2. Cutting her down – Adam reportedly cut her down from where she was hanging in an attempt to save her.

Scenario 1 Usage on the term "appeared to be dead"

If the 911 call was made first, then AS made a somewhat acknowledgement that she was dead buy saying “appeared to be dead”. With that said there would have been no reason to cut her down. Let's say there was sign’s of life after the call. Then he would have made an attempt to revive and we would have seen the scarf removed and the body poised for CPR but we didn't.

Question: Was he standing there looking up at the body and reporting the incident to 911? This question is made so you can mentally place yourself in the event. Did he hang up and then cut her down?

if so, he should have positioned the body and started CPR until EMT arrived and they would have taken over.

This was not the case as we can see in the images EMT left the body as is.

Scenario 2

If he cut her down before calling 911 then he would have been in close proximity to her and would have known for sure that she was dead. The comment that she “appeared to be dead” would not have been made in that his revival attempt was futile and he stopped to call 911.

But once again the body position does not reflect a revival attempt by anyone. If RN remotely looked alive they (EMT) would have jumped on her and had her positioned for CRP. That proves that she was far gone when they arrived and negates AS account for cutting her down.

The next factor that indicated that she was far gone was her leg position. The angle of her body and knees were open and should have fell closed if she was placed down before RM - Rigor mortis. If AS cut her down then he had to feel that she was in RM and negates his complete initial account again.

This is just the basic introduction not 15 minutes into the event and it goes from the truth.

This doesn’t say that he did it but it removes creditability to his account of a hanging.

Everyone is taking his word that she was hung or found hanging from the balcony. No one can collaborate that other than AS.

Why are you taking AS word as the truth? Have you ever considered that he was covering something?

Here is the next question that you need to ask your self.

What is on the carpet and picture? Out of all the things to take out of the house they took a picture. What does a picture, have to do with a suicide?
Do you think she wrote her suicide note on the picture? If so LE would have said the have the note. Logic states that there is residue or splatter of some short which opens the possibility that another event occurred in another location.

Criminal want you to believe what they want you to believe. Seek the truth and don't be swayed in your search.

People like RN don't come all the way from Burma to America to commit suicide.

Inobu

Lotta insight in these images. It shows a lot.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/questions-remain-after-deaths-of-coronado-mansion-owners-son-girlfriend?redirected=true

What if AS had cut her down before RM set it which would account for the position of the body, but didn't phone 911 until hours later?

 

[Matty29]

Welcome, gemvt! I totally disagree with your theory, but we can agree to disagree, right? I just don't think, being the type of woman Rebecca was, that she would have allowed herself to be seen in such a horrible and gross way. To me this seems like a rage killing.

Also, WHY did AS go to CA? What help was he actually to JS? And when did AS tell his realtor he was going back out on the tugboat? :waitasec:

There are so many questions yet not answered, we need more evidence to be revealed.

I agree about the rage.

I think JS and DS found out there was no hope of survival for MS with 100% certainty Tuesday night and MS was kept on Life Support just for harvesting his organs. After hearing this news Tuesday night and in an absolute blind hysterical rage JS who has a temper which was already proven in his previous relationships, dragged RN out of bed and she may have been asleep naked or he told her to take her clothes off to further humiliate her i.e "now your family is going to see you hanging naked from the balcony because you killed my son." I believe MS's death was likely an accident on her watch and JS misplaced his rage because he felt so angry, upset and furious that with all his money he could not save his son and he lost his mind and killed RN.

I think the 'loud party' was JS and RN fighting or more likely JS screaming at her what did she do, tell me what you did and I won't hurt you, tell me how my son really died and I won't hurt you and the more she 1. had no answer as it was an accident or 2. told him the 'truth' i.e "I wasn't watching him, I was doing my hair, I was on the phone," the more enraged JS got. He hog tied her or bound her (we will see what is revealed by LE in time) and tossed her off the balcony. I think RN knew MS was not coming out of the coma and knew that when JS came home at some point because of his temper she feared he might kill her dog out of rage thus the kennel but I do not think she thought he would come after her or she would have left the house.

Why AS was there, could be as simple as his brother told him his son was near death and would he like to pay his last respects while his nephew was technically alive. That AS has been allowed to resume his life tells me he was investigated and is not a POI.

Just my theory. I am also hooked on this case and my theory is what my instinct tells me happened and I could be wrong, time will tell. I do not believe RN committed suicide this looks like an up close and personal rage killing to me of someone totally out of control and grief stricken who struck out at who he was blaming as the reason why his son was dead. As for the mother DS, I don't think it was her for one second bc as a mother she was not leaving her son's bedside for a minute (I think hospital video will prove that in time).

 

[Inobu]

What if AS had cut her down before RM set it which would account for the position of the body, but didn't phone 911 until hours later?

If he cut her down before RM the knees would have fell close.

 

[defense101]

If he cut her down before RM the knees would have fell close.

Good point...

 

[Inobu]

Matty29

You have a good perspective, you just have to apply the character and personalities of the people you are studying into the equation nothing more nothing less.

Inobu

 

[Inobu]

What if AS had cut her down before RM set it which would account for the position of the body, but didn't phone 911 until hours later?

Your assumption on a delayed 911 call seems to fit the puzzle in that the music established a time line that the assailant(s) had to avoid. Finding the body too early would have brought up the question of being up at that hour or tying the event with the silencing of the music. Closing the window of event and exposing individuals.

Inobu

 

[scorekeeper]

Can someone bring a previous post over to this thread? :tyou:

I don't know how....:waitasec:

Thread 3, page 30, post 729 by Bonepile?

It shows the balcony with the "rope" hanging down; table and RN.

Thanks!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes,

You are so optimistic and believing that good trumps evil. :innocent:

I love reading your post.

Even though I differ with your opinion!!:seeya:

Thanks!!

score

LOL! Sorry I had company come in right after I posted that Score and just now came back on.:great:

Thank you for your kind words. I love posting with all posters here.

Perhaps I do refuse to believe evil will triumph over goodness.

I don't know what happened to Rebecca but if someone has taken her precious life from her I must always hold onto the belief that they will pay dearly in our justice system.

I do know that even the rich and powerful can fall. I have seen them do it. I have seen them be convicted and I have seen them go to prison. So I must believe that if anyone (no matter who they are) did this they too will be punished.

And in the end if it is proven to LE this was a tragic suicide then my heart aches for Rebecca's family because losing a loved one this way will forever haunt them.

I am beginning to think whatever happened to Rebecca whether self inflicted or by somone else had been done hours before Adam found her.

IMO

 

[Theforeigner]

RN used to attend Calvary Chapel Island of Grace when she lived on Long Island. Someone asked about her religious beliefs. They are having a memorial service for her today. RIP Becky.

OK, so Rebecca ALSO lived on Long Island? Interesting! and thanks you so very mutch for sharing.

This is the address of that church:

Calvary Chapel Island of Grace
Address:‎
1680 Railroad Avenue
Holbrook, NY

Does anyone know the profession/education of Neil Nalepa?

And were and what year Rebecca and Neil Nalepa got married

 

[justice be served]

Your assumption on a delayed 911 call seems to fit the puzzle in that the music established a time line that the assailant(s) had to avoid. Finding the body too early would have brought up the question of being up at that hour or tying the event with the silencing of the music. Closing the window of event and exposing individuals.

Inobu

Inobu, I appreciate your depth of analysis every time you post! Just my opinion/theory - could it be that AS was aware of what was going on while the deed was being perpetrated but he was not involved directly - he was awakened perhaps and made aware strictly because he was close on the premises? Maybe AS and the perpetrator then commisserated on what then needed to happen and then Plan B came into play -- and your theory? With blood really thicker than water? Just my humble opinion/thoughts.....

 

[defense101]

Can someone bring a previous post over to this thread? :tyou:

I don't know how....:waitasec:

Thread 3, page 30, post 729 by Bonepile?

It shows the balcony with the "rope" hanging down; table and RN.

Thanks!!

I didn't know how to do that either but here are Bonepile's pictures...which should show up if I did this right, thanks Bonepile.

 

[Inobu]

Staged event confines the thought pattern in that it preoccupies the mind and confines the mindset.

I'll try to use a little humor to bring a perspective to shocks us into reality.

Do you think the orange cord walked up to RN and say use me. No, someone had to bring the two together. Either RN went to the cord, someone brought the cord to RN or the cord was in the vicinity.

That cord came from some where.

We need to ask ourselves

Where do you think the orange cord would be found.

I think you guys should focus on that. If you think the cord was placed on her feet and hands in the court yard then keep looking in the court yard.

If you think it was placed somewhere else then look for it. If I'm not mistaken some one said there was an addition or something going on in an attic?

attic - construction - tools -

I have my thought I think 85 to 90% I"m on target, well see.

Inobu

I did leave my thoughts here we will see when its said and done.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I agree with several other that suicide is not likely because:

1.Woman VERY seldome choose hanging when they comit suicide.

2.The fact that electrical cord was used to hang her and tie her feet and hands IMO point to that somone, who did NOT belong to the household , bound and hung her, because it IMO point to that it was what was on hand "here and now". If RN had decided to commited suicide by hanging I belive she would have found or bought some rope, and that she would have done it away from the house or at least INSIDE the house, and definitley NOT naked.

3. I would assume that RN or her fiance JB had sleeping pills or other drugs avaible in the house that she could have used to commit suicide so WHY choose hanging? and naked, outside hanging from a balcony?

4. Why no suicide note? why no last text message to a loved one? expressing her remorse and sorrow if unbearable remorse was her motive?

5. If she was THAT devastated, why was she "normal" the evening before when she talked to her sister by phone?

I just can not phantom that this was a suicide.

Unfortunately, there are no norms when it comes to suicide. I have 2 family members, one of whom was successful, and the other who made two unsuccessful attempts (unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if another attempt is made within the year). In neither of those cases was a note left behind. Additionally, sometimes there is a great calm before the storm, the person appears normal as they have found the answer to their situation. And sometimes, a person, even women, will resort to a more "violent or painful" method. One friend shot herself point blank in the chest, while another friend blew her husband's head off before she put the gun in her own mouth. Some suicides are well-planned for days or week, others are done on impulse.

 

[Inobu]

Inobu, I appreciate your depth of analysis every time you post! Just my opinion/theory - could it be that AS was aware of what was going on while the deed was being perpetrated but he was not involved directly - he was awakened perhaps and made aware strictly because he was close on the premises? Maybe AS and the perpetrator then commisserated on what then needed to happen and then Plan B came into play -- and your theory? With blood really thicker than water? Just my humble opinion/thoughts.....

Yes, it has a high chance IMO.

 

[defense101]

Staged event confines the thought pattern in that it preoccupies the mind and confines the mindset.

I'll try to use a little humor to bring a perspective to shocks us into reality.

Do you think the orange cord walked up to RN and say use me. No, someone had to bring the two together. Either RN went to the cord, someone brought the cord to RN or the cord was in the vicinity.

That cord came from some where.

We need to ask ourselves

Where do you think the orange cord would be found.

I think you guys should focus on that. If you think the cord was placed on her feet and hands in the court yard then keep looking in the court yard.

If you think it was placed somewhere else then look for it. If I'm not mistaken some one said there was an addition or something going on in an attic?

attic - construction - tools -

I have my thought I think 85 to 90% I"m on target, well see.

Inobu

I did leave my thoughts here we will see when its said and done.

I found this regarding renovations to the mansion. "He came back again in May seeking changes to the guest house, caretakers quarters and the garage. Those were approved as well."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/shacknai-renovation-plans-drew-opponents-in-coronado-not-enemies

 

[scorekeeper]

I didn't know how to do that either but here are Bonepile's pictures...which should show up if I did this right, thanks Bonepile.

Thank you so much defense101!! :tyou::tyou: Can you tell me how?

by these pictures I could see AS standing on the table to cut RN down, jumping down and turn toward the grass and then walking a few steps to lay her down. I think he realized when he went to cut her down that she was deceased...but continued with his initial plan (get her down and start life saving methods)

If this is a staged scene then 1 of 2 things happened:

AS did this to RN

AS was involved in the crime/staging

I don't know why I keep going back to these pictures. What am I missing or looking for?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree about the rage.

I think JS and DS found out there was no hope of survival for MS with 100% certainty Tuesday night and MS was kept on Life Support just for harvesting his organs. After hearing this news Tuesday night and in an absolute blind hysterical rage JS who has a temper which was already proven in his previous relationships, dragged RN out of bed and she may have been asleep naked or he told her to take her clothes off to further humiliate her i.e "now your family is going to see you hanging naked from the balcony because you killed my son." I believe MS's death was likely an accident on her watch and JS misplaced his rage because he felt so angry, upset and furious that with all his money he could not save his son and he lost his mind and killed RN.

I think the 'loud party' was JS and RN fighting or more likely JS screaming at her what did she do, tell me what you did and I won't hurt you, tell me how my son really died and I won't hurt you and the more she 1. had no answer as it was an accident or 2. told him the 'truth' i.e "I wasn't watching him, I was doing my hair, I was on the phone," the more enraged JS got. He hog tied her or bound her (we will see what is revealed by LE in time) and tossed her off the balcony. I think RN knew MS was not coming out of the coma and knew that when JS came home at some point because of his temper she feared he might kill her dog out of rage thus the kennel but I do not think she thought he would come after her or she would have left the house.

Why AS was there, could be as simple as his brother told him his son was near death and would he like to pay his last respects while his nephew was technically alive. That AS has been allowed to resume his life tells me he was investigated and is not a POI.

Just my theory. I am also hooked on this case and my theory is what my instinct tells me happened and I could be wrong, time will tell. I do not believe RN committed suicide this looks like an up close and personal rage killing to me of someone totally out of control and grief stricken who struck out at who he was blaming as the reason why his son was dead. As for the mother DS, I don't think it was her for one second bc as a mother she was not leaving her son's bedside for a minute (I think hospital video will prove that in time).

I have read a lot about sociopaths/psychopaths over the last decade since so many criminal defendants have shown those traits.

During my research on the subject I found out that most of them do NOT become murderers but instead they can become POWERFUL CEOs of large companies or be very successful in sales making millions each year. The reasons given is they are self driven to achieve at all costs. They have no compassion in their hearts for their employees. They are ruthless. Employees have one purpose only and that is to make the psychopath look good at all times.

Also they do not have attachments to their children such as love and true bonding BUT do see the children as extensions of themselves ONLY! So children are important but for all the wrong reasons. The child is an ornament that fulfills what they perceive they are entitled to have all to make themselves look better. So if the child is lost it really isn't about the loss of the child so much but about the psychopath feeling outrage that something belonging to them has been taken.

If they ever believe someone is not worthy to be in their social selected unit and blame them for something that has happened that placed the sociopath in a bad light the socio will banish them with a vengence.

So I have to admit when I heard that Jonah was a CEO I pondered these thoughts.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

Hi everyone - this is my first post! I too have been fascinated by this case. I have to say that I am of the mind that Rebecca did commit suicide. My thought is that she received a call from JS that Tuesday night that Max was brain dead and that they were going to do an MRI the next morning to confirm, but that essentially at that point it was known that he would not survive. I think it is also possible that JS either behaved as if he was done with her or that he actually said as much...telling her to pack her bags and get out. Even if he accepted that Max's death was the result of an accident, it is such an enormous tragedy that he decided he wouldn't be able to get past it. This news combined with Rebecca's guilt and grief over the death of a loved child drove her to commit suicide in a dramatic and violent manner, probably to send a message and to illustrate her guilt.

DS and JS were, at that point, probably awake for over 30 hours straight and emotionally devastated. I cannot see either of them mustering the strength to either perform or arrange for a murder at that time.

When you look at the overhead photos, it seems clear to me that the table was pulled over to the brick walkway from the grassy area to get Rebecca down. Why would anyone keep a table in that location? It was probably the first thing AS spotted that could allow him to reach her body, so he grabbed it and dragged it to that location. This is IMO, of course...but to me seems the most realistic scenario, given the current information.

Welcome.

Repectfully bolded by me

The problem is the only confirmation we have that Rebecca was 'suspended', and AS cut her down, is AS.

A possible coverup is weighing heavy on my mind...I need more than just AS to tell me that.

(and thanks for your most entertaining post re; websleuths intervention Mizstery, lol...you weren't far from the truth, lol, I'm still sneaking in post time, they want me to DO things with them, lol, as in leave the computer and case ...and thanks to peace for bringing it to my attention; made my day