Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[4Jacy]

I agree about the rage.

I think JS and DS found out there was no hope of survival for MS with 100% certainty Tuesday night and MS was kept on Life Support just for harvesting his organs. After hearing this news Tuesday night and in an absolute blind hysterical rage JS who has a temper which was already proven in his previous relationships, dragged RN out of bed and she may have been asleep naked or he told her to take her clothes off to further humiliate her i.e "now your family is going to see you hanging naked from the balcony because you killed my son."

BBM[/B]

I totally agree with your theory, which is also mine. He was totally out of control and he wanted to humiliate and frighten her and then kill her. He probably had her tied to the chair and made her watch him prepare the noose he was going to put around her neck.

I believe MS's death was likely an accident on her watch and JS misplaced his rage because he felt so angry, upset and furious that with all his money he could not save his son and he lost his mind and killed RN.

I think the 'loud party' was JS and RN fighting or more likely JS screaming at her what did she do, tell me what you did and I won't hurt you, tell me how my son really died and I won't hurt you and the more she 1. had no answer as it was an accident or 2. told him the 'truth' i.e "I wasn't watching him, I was doing my hair, I was on the phone," the more enraged JS got. He hog tied her or bound her (we will see what is revealed by LE in time) and tossed her off the balcony. I think RN knew MS was not coming out of the coma and knew that when JS came home at some point because of his temper she feared he might kill her dog out of rage thus the kennel but I do not think she thought he would come after her or she would have left the house.


BBM
I never did understand why she would have kennelled the dog. I guess that's a fairly good reason. However, if she thought JS would be insane enough to kill her dog, wouldn't she want to remove herself from the premises also? UNLESS the dog was the cause of the accident.

Why AS was there, could be as simple as his brother told him his son was near death and would he like to pay his last respects while his nephew was technically alive. That AS has been allowed to resume his life tells me he was investigated and is not a POI.

Just my theory. I am also hooked on this case and my theory is what my instinct tells me happened and I could be wrong, time will tell. I do not believe RN committed suicide this looks like an up close and personal rage killing to me of someone totally out of control and grief stricken who struck out at who he was blaming as the reason why his son was dead. As for the mother DS, I don't think it was her for one second bc as a mother she was not leaving her son's bedside for a minute (I think hospital video will prove that in time).

[Really appreciate your post, Matty. But just wait, money talks. Remember the OJ case, the William Kennedy Smith case, et al. There is too much money involved to let this ship sink. :banghead:

 

[Paladine]

Thank you so much defense101!! :tyou::tyou: Can you tell me how?

by these pictures I could see AS standing on the table to cut RN down, jumping down and turn toward the grass and then walking a few steps to lay her down. I think he realized when he went to cut her down that she was deceased...but continued with his initial plan (get her down and start life saving methods)

If this is a staged scene then 1 of 2 things happened:

AS did this to RN

AS was involved in the crime/staging
I don't know why I keep going back to these pictures. What am I missing or looking for?

We need autopsy reports. I'm not sure she was hanging, how she was hanging, dead before hanging, or just thrown from the balcony and made to look like a 'hanging'...

Thus far, my vote goes to the bolded option...

RBBM

 

[Bonepile]

Thanks Defense101 and Scorekeeper .. Just arrived home from work and see that the photos were transferred. Wish they were better quality, but ...

Way back on July 21st I sent an email to a friend ...

1. Boy in girlfriend's care falls down stairs of mansion and is declared at hospital to be "brain dead"
2. Father in violent rage confronts girlfriend who was taking care of kid at time of incident.
3. Father strangles girlfriend
4. Father asks for brother's assistance to rig body as suicide which they do
5. Brother waits x number of hours for Father to establish alibi at hospital waiting as his son is passing away
6. Brother calls police while father is at hospital and police arrive

... and then on July 28th I sent him another email ...


JS at the hospital or at the house screaming at her "if my son dies you are responsible, and you know I will kill you" and she realized with his history of aggression that he might just do what he threatened to do, and that because of his feelings their life together was now over with not another chance in this world to regain him or his love, and in a panic she did herself in?


I am not sure even to this day which is true, but I will patiently wait and see what the results of all the tests are .. so we wait.

 

[scorekeeper]

JS picked Ocean (the dog) up from the kennel and took him/her back to AZ with him. I can't find the link now...

Someone had asked about Sitrick and Company clients (PR company).......it easier to say they don't represent me than to list their clients!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

http://sitrick.com/practice/client-list

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks Defense101 and Scorekeeper .. Just arrived home from work and see that the photos were transferred. Wish they were better quality, but ...

Way back in July 21st I sent an email to a friend ...


1. Boy in girlfriend's care falls down stairs of mansion and is declared at hospital to be "brain dead"
2. Father in violent rage confronts girlfriend who was taking care of kid at time of incident.
3. Father strangles girlfriend
4. Father asks for brother's assistance to rig body as suicide which they do
5. Brother waits x number of hours for Father to establish alibi at hospital waiting as his son is passing away
6. Brother calls police while father is at hospital and police arrive

... and then on July 28th I sent him another email ...


JS at the hospital or at the house screaming at her "if my son dies you are responsible, and you know I will kill you" and she realized with his history of aggression that he might just do what he threatened to do, and that because of his feelings their life together was now over with not another chance in this world to regain him or his love, and in a panic she did herself in?


I am not sure even to this day which is true, but I will patiently wait and see what the results of all the tests are .. so we wait.

That is pretty much where I stand too, Bonepile.

It could be either way.

I also will wait... although anxously... for some type of new information from LE.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Unfortunately, there are no norms when it comes to suicide. I have 2 family members, one of whom was successful, and the other who made two unsuccessful attempts (unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if another attempt is made within the year). In neither of those cases was a note left behind. Additionally, sometimes there is a great calm before the storm, the person appears normal as they have found the answer to their situation. And sometimes, a person, even women, will resort to a more "violent or painful" method. One friend shot herself point blank in the chest, while another friend blew her husband's head off before she put the gun in her own mouth. Some suicides are well-planned for days or week, others are done on impulse.

Have the details surrounding Max's fall been released to the public? If her death was a suicide then she felt in some way responsible and maybe she was. The most bizarre aspect of this is the loud party while the boy lay dying in the hospital. I can see such a callous move would enrage either of the boy's parents.

 

[Matty29]

I have read a lot about sociopaths/psychopaths over the last decade since so many criminal defendants have shown those traits.

During my research on the subject I found out that most of them do NOT become murderers but instead they can become POWERFUL CEOs of large companies or be very successful in sales making millions each year. The reasons given is they are self driven to achieve at all costs. They have no compassion in their hearts for their employees. They are ruthless. Employees have one purpose only and that is to make the psychopath look good at all times.

Also they do not have attachments to their children such as love and true bonding BUT do see the children as extensions of themselves ONLY! So children are important but for all the wrong reasons. The child is an ornament that fulfills what they perceive they are entitled to have all to make themselves look better. So if the child is lost it really isn't about the loss of the child so much but about the psychopath feeling outrage that something belonging to them has been taken.

If they ever believe someone is not worthy to be in their social selected unit and blame them for something that has happened that placed the sociopath in a bad light the socio will banish them with a vengence.

So I have to admit when I heard that Jonah was a CEO I pondered these thoughts.

IMO

My Father is one of those CEO's...I know the type very well...

My Father's son did die (my brother) not from a murder but from a long term terminal illness he was born with. We knew when he was 14 months old he would likely not make it into his teens, (he died at 12 years old). My Father has never spoken his name and if you mention my brother he has to leave the room, he simply cannot handle the emotion of the whole ordeal.

Now, I know my Father so well, and I know the narcissistic personality so well, that if he could have, if it would have been an accident on his second wife's watch, well his temper is horrifying and I can see something like what happened to RN on my Dad's 2nd wife if one of us kids died on her watch.

Because JS was older and more established than when he was married to his first wife it seems the more wives they have they more impatient they become with them, so that RN was 'just a girlfriend' probably meant he had little to no respect for her anyway thus it was easy to become furious with her and toss her over the balcony...

Don't think we will see justice for RN here bc of his money tho. Time will tell. I could be totally off base and it was a suicide and I have never known anyone to have committed suicide so I have no idea how a person can be fine one minute and kill themselves the next, but I know from what I read that that is very possible. In this case, I just don't believe it though.

 

[MyBelle]

That is pretty much where I stand too, Bonepile.

It could be either way.

I also will wait... although anxously... for some type of new information from LE.

IMO

I'm curious why you think the boy's father rather than his mother might be responsible for Rebecca's death.

 

[Paladine]

RN used to attend Calvary Chapel Island of Grace when she lived on Long Island. Someone asked about her religious beliefs. They are having a memorial service for her today. RIP Becky.

A youtube video I found from this Churches baptisims...I loved the song, titled: Bring Me To Life...and the images...I had full immersion baptisim in a lake as an Adult...to belong to this church, and for them to post such a memorial, it makes me feel that Rebecca had some strong spiritual beliefs...

I am begininng to feel very connected to this victim...as it always goes, eh, peeps? ...at least for me...RIP, Rebecca...and, if I may say, may God cradle her gently in His arms...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_0yJFlok1A"]‪Calvary Chapel Island of Grace 2007 Baptism‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[defense101]

JS picked Ocean (the dog) up from the kennel and took him/her back to AZ with him. I can't find the link now...

Someone had asked about Sitrick and Company clients (PR company).......it easier to say they don't represent me than to list their clients!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

http://sitrick.com/practice/client-list

Their client list is impressive, and I found this interesting in their list

REPUTATION MANAGEMENT

Sitrick And Company has strong reputation management capabilities — and a proven track record of both creating positive images for new or relatively unknown companies and rebuilding the reputations of established firms that find themselves in challenging circumstances.

Clients benefit from our high-profile work. Because we are gatekeepers to some of the biggest news stories in the country, we enjoy unsurpassed access to the media — a vital component in the success of any reputation management or crisis communications program.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.10news.com/news/28566086/detail.html

Last Wednesday morning, Jonah Shacknai's brother, Adam, called 911 to report he had discovered 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau critically injured at the home. Police officers arrived to find Zahau lifeless on a lawn behind the 27-room main residence on the property

Adam Shacknai told investigators he found Zahau hanging from a second-floor bedroom balcony over a central courtyard and cut the rope or cord attached to her neck to get her down, Curran said

BBM

 

[Inobu]

I don't know why I keep going back to these pictures. What am I missing or looking for?

Because you cannot see the truth in what is said verses what you see.

Everyone is all over the place because the scene is all over the place.

Just think about it.

Case 1 Balcony Jump

1. Why tie the rope on the bottom rung of the balcony. Top rung easier and makes the required length shorter. The rope almost doubles in length on the bottom rung because you need enough rope to allow you to move around on the balcony, put the noose around your neck, tie your own hands behind your back,stand up and flip yourself over the rail to your death.

This is what they are having you believe she done from the balcony.

Case 2 Ground level jump

2. Run upstairs to the balcony tie the rope on the bottom rung drop the rope down. Run down, climb on the table put the noose on, tie your own hands behind your back jump off the table and into the wall.

Then AS walks up see RN. Call 911 reports a woman hung that appears dead. Moves the table beneath the balcony to the wall, pulls out the knife or scissors, Cuts her down to reviver her, carrier her to the grass. Don't attempt to reviver her, Move the table back on the side walk in the standing position and wait for EMT.

This is what you believe.....

Please try this. Have someone in your family to play dead and you move them from the floor to the couch just to see how hard it is to move dead weight.

And you believe he cut her down with the items in the picture above by him self.

Just look at the table. why move the table back to the walkway when it is out of the way against the wall? It does not make sense the only reason is you want it to look a certain way. Staging..

Just so many factor that points to staging...........

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm curious why you think the boy's father rather than his mother might be responsible for Rebecca's death.

I am not really sure who is responsible for Rebecca's death. This very well could turnout to be a bizarre suicide.

I am not firmly thinking Jonah did this or even Dina and I see no motive for Adam to harm Rebecca.

But as far as speculation goes...........I think both Jonah and Dina could have equal and same like motives if either one blamed Rebecca for Maxie's death.

They both seem to have anger problems imo.

What I meant by "either way" is it could be a suicide or homicide.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

Their client list is impressive, and I found this interesting in their list

REPUTATION MANAGEMENT
Sitrick And Company has strong reputation management capabilities — and a proven track record of both creating positive images for new or relatively unknown companies and rebuilding the reputations of established firms that find themselves in challenging circumstances.

Clients benefit from our high-profile work. Because we are gatekeepers to some of the biggest news stories in the country, we enjoy unsurpassed access to the media — a vital component in the success of any reputation management or crisis communications program.

respectfully red-ed by me

Great post...factual and succinct. The MSM is owned or so claims this PR company, in so many words...imo.

Justice is not always equal, imo. Power and Money rule. WE need, in our own little ways, need to change that, imo.

I really hope I'm being paraniod and I hope being I'm cynical and that all goes right and just in this case...

I hope some people who may know something have courage, in spite of fear, and tell the truth, offer what they know...that's how they can fight for justice.

 

[4Jacy]

My Father is one of those CEO's...I know the type very well...

My Father's son did die (my brother) not from a murder but from a long term terminal illness he was born with. We knew when he was 14 months old he would likely not make it into his teens, (he died at 12 years old). My Father has never spoken his name and if you mention my brother he has to leave the room, he simply cannot handle the emotion of the whole ordeal.

Now, I know my Father so well, and I know the narcissistic personality so well, that if he could have, if it would have been an accident on his second wife's watch, well his temper is horrifying and I can see something like what happened to RN on my Dad's 2nd wife if one of us kids died on her watch.

Because JS was older and more established than when he was married to his first wife it seems the more wives they have they more impatient they become with them, so that RN was 'just a girlfriend' probably meant he had little to no respect for her anyway thus it was easy to become furious with her and toss her over the balcony...

Don't think we will see justice for RN here bc of his money tho. Time will tell. I could be totally off base and it was a suicide and I have never known anyone to have committed suicide so I have no idea how a person can be fine one minute and kill themselves the next, but I know from what I read that that is very possible. In this case, I just don't believe it though.

Thank you again Matty for your very insightful post. I am sorry about your brother, and feel for you what you went through with your father. Life isn't fair, and I'm grateful we all have this forum to share and vent. God bless you!

 

[jjenny]

respectfully red-ed by me

Great post...factual and succinct. The MSM is owned or so claims this PR company, in so many words...imo.

Justice is not always equal, imo. Power and Money rule. WE need, in our own little ways, need to change that, imo.

I really hope I'm being paraniod and I hope being I'm cynical and that all goes right and just in this case...

I hope some people who may know something have courage, in spite of fear, and tell the truth, offer what they know...that's how they can fight for justice.

There sure haven't been much info about this story lately. I guess "gatekeeping" is working.

 

[pferrin]

Have the details surrounding Max's fall been released to the public? If her death was a suicide then she felt in some way responsible and maybe she was. The most bizarre aspect of this is the loud party while the boy lay dying in the hospital. I can see such a callous move would enrage either of the boy's parents.

Welcome MyBelle. No autopsy eport has been released on Maxies death. Apparently there was not a party..but it has been said(rumor?) that there was loud music around 100am. Could this loud music have been used to cover a murder. That is what I believe.

Again Welcome.

 

[MyBelle]

I am not really sure who is responsible for Rebecca's death. This very well could turnout to be a bizarre suicide.

I am not firmly thinking Jonah did this or even Dina and I see no motive for Adam to harm Rebecca.

But as far as speculation goes...........I think both Jonah and Dina could have equal and same like motives if either one blamed Rebecca for Maxie's death.

They both seem to have anger problems imo.

What I meant by "either way" is it could be a suicide or homicide.

IMO

ITA. If either blamed her for Max's death then I don't see Jonah wanting Rebecca to continue living at that house and a reaction would be to tell her to get her stuff out. Her reaction was to have a party. To me, this is a suicide Rebecca staged to look like a homicide.

 

[jjenny]

I want to thank everyone again for trying to help me understand the photos more.

I just think we are missing something.

If Adam's story just didn't add up why would LE a week later tell a local reporter they were leaning toward a suicide and saying there is documentation that people do bind their hands and feet up before they commit suicide? On a link already posted.

It just seems to me these 15 homicide detectives would know if what Adam said rang true based on the scene.

The problem we have with really no sound conclusive evidence of what happened or how Adam cut her down.

Yet, Adam is allowed to leave and go back to his home very early after Rebecca's death. His story had to make sense to LE about what he found and what he did.

IMO

Do we know when AS left? Did he stay for Max's funeral?

 

[jjenny]

ITA. If either blamed her for Max's death then I don't see Jonah wanting Rebecca to continue living at that house and a reaction would be to tell her to get her stuff out. Her reaction was to have a party. To me, this is a suicide Rebecca staged to look like a homicide.

There was no party. From an "anonymous source" it was loud music, not a party.