Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[Inobu]

Hmmm...:waitasec: Have you done this before?


Okay, apologies, I had to say it. :innocent:

Cute..........lol

Applied logic that's all and I told you guys in the beginning I stayed at Holiday Inn Express.

Inobu

 

[MyBelle]

Keying on the source of the article the CoronadoPatch which is local is more than likely to have reporters on hand making first hand interviews. The article was posted on July 14 closing the interview window to late July 13 or early July 14. The time of the interview set the time frame or window of the conversation

Here is the time line.

Monday afternoon the request to kennel the dog was made.
Situation prevented the pickup.
Tuesday 8:45 Greenbrug picks up the dog. Dog needs shots.
It is not known how long the dog was to stay per the initial conversation and when was the dog due back?

The connection? JS had the Shepard for what seems to be protection. Was that the case for RN? Remove the dog ,remove the protection. It is suspected that the call could indicate someone removing the dog from the premise.

The gating question is when was the extension call made and by whom. If it was made late Tuesday then one might thinks someone was trying to remove RN's protection posing an opportunity.

If it was made Wednesday then the call proves irrelevant.

That is what I am implying by the question or thought.
Inobu

The dog wasn't a shepard, it was a weimeraner.

We have two and I still can't spell it. They are very strong, playful with incredibly large paws that could easily knock over a child Maxie's age.

 

[Charlie09]

Passion - Money - Fear of exposure; These were 3 reasons listed for murder in a book I finished reading (The Deepest Water by Kate Wilhelm).

Passion - JS was supposedly passionate with RN
DS may have been totally, totally jealous of RN
JS and DS may have both been very, very angry and blamed RN
for Maxie's accident and soon-to-be death

Money - DS would probably no longer receive child support and alimony
JS's company may have suffered financially if GS/RN was named
as being somehow responsible for Maxie's condition

Fear of Exposure - JS because if GS was somehow involved in Maxie's
accident and RN knew what really happened - JS didn't want
RN talking; didn't want her to expose the truth

JS.......I also think AS would have assisted his brother. A lot of anger and control issues (bindings, ties) evident. Someone wanted embarrassment for RN and possibly a "word to the wise" for others....

If we only had the findings on the picture and carpet pieces removed....

Let me have it!! With no LE reports, we keep "sleuthing/speculating".....:crazy::seeya::banghead:

I automatically think child support too - but then I round robin to she was a professional and probably didn't need the child support to "make it". But it could have been a sizable chunk that helped her with say, the purchase or the rent of the house down the street in Coronado (I can't remember if she rented or owned) She worked for his company though right? Would it make a difference of her employment AND child support once Max had passed?

And alimony - not married 10 years, she was working full time able to support herself, didn't give up half her life to work her way through his schooling, I'm not sure she qualifies for alimony. (But not familiar with AZ law on it either...in CA it would have been temporary at best.)

I still think the bigger message is for JS to be quiet about something. How close to him "they got" ( then I put down my novel and think I'm being silly Although I do wonder if security is tight around him? Or Dina? YES, YES, speculation all of it )

 

[Inobu]

The dog wasn't a shepard, it was a weimeraner.

We have two and I still can't spell it. They are very strong, playful with incredibly large paws that could easily knock over a child Maxie's age.

I thought JS had the Shepard and RN had the Weimaraners.

Let me go check..... am I losing it?

Reports allege history of domestic violence in Shacknai home Article headline

The woman told police she was attacked by Shacknai's German shepherd during several arguments inside their Paradise Valley home Shepard is in Az I guess.

Inobu

 

[CuriousAmazon]

We had a Weimaraner, we had him "rough time estimate" from 4 months until 16 months, so he was still a puppy...we (I) gave him away December 2010 because he was just too much to handle. One of the Vets told me that most owners who had this dog had to be prescribed medication to keep them calm (the name escapes me right now). In any case, our Weim was very hyperactive, he would jump on my 7 yo daughter and purposely knock her down and try to hump her. He would do the same to my 10 year old son. Whenever we weren't looking, our dog would do something to the kids....I think it was his way of playing. Our same dog was crated and he had the most amazing ability of escaping his crate. He chewed through all of our drywall, although he ate often.

By saying all this...well I'm just trying to led some credence that maybe Ocean "playing around" with a 6 y.o might have knocked him over. A weim has enough force and strength to hurt a child, that's why they recommend not having these energetic dogs around children. And possibly whoever wanted Ocean boarded, knew/understood he is a energetic dog and may have made an attack on RS difficult.

RN left the Weim alone in the house for at least 2 hours when she went to the hospital on Monday of Maxie's accident. So since she didn't spend a day at the hospital, why board the dog at all? Especially since AS was around...couldn't AS take the dog out when needed? You board the dog because you expect to spend a significant amount of time away from him, not for a few hours to visiting your BF's son in the hospital. Or you board the dog because you have been told to do so, so instead of arguing, you get it done.

JS has taken the Weim with him to AZ, so I don't know how it plays into all this.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

I thought JS had the Shepard and RN had the Weimaraners.

Let me go check..... am I losing it?

Reports allege history of domestic violence in Shacknai home Article headline

The woman told police she was attacked by Shacknai's German shepherd during several arguments inside their Paradise Valley home

Inobu

No you're not losing it. JS & DS had a Shepherd while married when living in AZ. JS & RN have/had the Weim, Ocean.

 

[MyBelle]

Passion - Money - Fear of exposure; These were 3 reasons listed for murder in a book I finished reading (The Deepest Water by Kate Wilhelm).

Passion - JS was supposedly passionate with RN
DS may have been totally, totally jealous of RN
JS and DS may have both been very, very angry and blamed RN
for Maxie's accident and soon-to-be death

Money - DS would probably no longer receive child support and alimony
JS's company may have suffered financially if GS/RN was named
as being somehow responsible for Maxie's condition

Fear of Exposure - JS because if GS was somehow involved in Maxie's
accident and RN knew what really happened - JS didn't want
RN talking; didn't want her to expose the truth

JS.......I also think AS would have assisted his brother. A lot of anger and control issues (bindings, ties) evident. Someone wanted embarrassment for RN and possibly a "word to the wise" for others....

If we only had the findings on the picture and carpet pieces removed....

Let me have it!! With no LE reports, we keep "sleuthing/speculating".....:crazy::seeya::banghead:

Not sure why you're assuming child support would end for a 6-yr-old. It usually goes til 18 and even then might include college costs and health care.

If this was murder, the explanation I could believe is that it was retaliation for not supervising Maxie.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

The dog wasn't a shepard, it was a weimeraner.

We have two and I still can't spell it. They are very strong, playful with incredibly large paws that could easily knock over a child Maxie's age.

Ahhh, we were on the same wave length! :great:

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Not sure why you're assuming child support would end for a 6-yr-old. It usually goes til 18 and even then might include college costs and health care.

If this was murder, the explanation I could believe is that it was retaliation for not supervising Maxie.

Not certain, but I think scorekeeper meant that with Max's passing, DS may have seen the end to her child support.

 

[MyBelle]

We had a Weimaraner, we had him "rough time estimate" from 4 months until 16 months, so he was still a puppy...we (I) gave him away December 2010 because he was just too much to handle. One of the Vets told me that most owners who had this dog had to be prescribed medication to keep them calm (the name escapes me right now). In any case, our Weim was very hyperactive, he would jump on my 7 yo daughter and purposely knock her down and try to hump her. He would do the same to my 10 year old son. Whenever we weren't looking, our dog would do something to the kids....I think it was his way of playing. Our same dog was crated and he had the most amazing ability of escaping his crate. He chewed through all of our drywall, although he ate often.

By saying all this...well I'm just trying to led some credence that maybe Ocean "playing around" with a 6 y.o might have knocked him over. A weim has enough force and strength to hurt a child, that's why they recommend not having these energetic dogs around children. And possibly whoever wanted Ocean boarded, knew/understood he is a energetic dog and may have made an attack on RS difficult.

RN left the Weim alone in the house for at least 2 hours when she went to the hospital on Monday of Maxie's accident. So since she didn't spend a day at the hospital, why board the dog at all? Especially since AS was around...couldn't AS take the dog out when needed? You board the dog because you expect to spend a significant amount of time away from him, not for a few hours to visiting your BF's son in the hospital. Or you board the dog because you have been told to do so, so instead of arguing, you get it done.

JS has taken the Weim with him to AZ, so I don't know how it plays into all this.

I totally agree with you. We had our two neutered/spayed and that helped considerably with the agressiveness but they are still strong, playful dogs that like to jump and swim and chew. They ate the drywall in our laundry room and figured out how to unscrew the infant gate across the door. They are adorable looking puppies and children do love them. When ours were pups, the neighbor kids would come over and play with them. That ended when the pups got stronger than the kids. We have no young kids in our household and would not recommend this breed be around kids. The fact that RN wanted to place the dog outside of the house is a clue to me that the dog played a part in Maxie's injury.

 

[Charlie09]

just another 2cents. I'm not sure I would take the patch, as a reliable news source. More like local gossip and re-writes of what the MSM has said -

http://coronado.patch.com/about

 

[MyBelle]

Not certain, but I think scorekeeper meant that with Max's passing, DS may have seen the end to her child support.

The child was still alive at the time of RN's death. If there was an emotion at that point that would trigger the rage of murder, I think it was one of blame rather than anticipating the loss of child support.

 

[Paladine]

There are some aspects of the rope that only LE knows and will further reveal the truth.

The instrument used to cut the rope will dictate the quickness in the cut. Holding a hundred pounds with one hand and cutting with the other will be challenging.
The angle in which the rope was cut will indicate the position of the cutter. Up ward angel verses downward angle. A straight across cut would be questionable.
The tautness of the rope leaves cut patterns.
The final cut angle could be a tell tale sign. If the rope was doubled back and cut ( Like a horse shoe) then we know RN's weight was not on the rope and it was cut for show.
Inobu

RBBM

I almost bolded the whole thing ....once I started, I couldn't stop...

Man...what a post. Thanks. And that's what can be told by 1 piece of evidence...one can only imagine what will the rest might tell us...

 

[branwynbreeze]

Just WOW Ibnobu. I did not know DS mother NR lived in Coronado. Does NR live with DS? Could NR have been at home in Coronado (nearby JS home )and been called by GS about Maxie? Didn't neighbors say there was a woman or women at JS home they did not know? Perhaps it was DS sister and or mother? Just my thoughts & M

From your link

Nancy Romano, mother of Shacknai's ex-wife, Dina Shacknai – who also lives in Coronado –* told the paper Nalepa and Shacknai had been together for two years. Dina Shacknai is the mother of the injured boy.

I could be wrong, but I think article implies DS lives in Coronado. I think NR lives maybe in No CA, but don't quote me.

 

[Inobu]

Just WOW Ibnobu. I did not know DS mother NR lived in Coronado. Does NR live with DS? Could NR have been at home in Coronado (nearby JS home )and been called by GS about Maxie? Didn't neighbors say there was a woman or women at JS home they did not know? Perhaps it was DS sister and or mother? Just my thoughts & M

From your link

Nancy Romano, mother of Shacknai's ex-wife, Dina Shacknai – who also lives in Coronado –* told the paper Nalepa and Shacknai had been together for two years. Dina Shacknai is the mother of the injured boy.

I don"t mean to go over the same thing but that is what I meant about taking the source into consideration and validating. Chances are the Arizona Repubic is going to take more interest in the story more so than MSN and dedicate resources to it, it is real local news to them. The CoronadoPatch just has to run down the street for an interview verses CNN or AP.
So the credibility and information access is broad.

Inobu

 

[Paladine]

The dog wasn't a shepard, it was a weimeraner.

We have two and I still can't spell it. They are very strong, playful with incredibly large paws that could easily knock over a child Maxie's age.

True...but I think Inubo (sp?) was referring to the dog that reportedly bit Dina....a different dog.

 

[branwynbreeze]

The child was still alive at the time of RN's death. If there was an emotion at that point that would trigger the rage of murder, I think it was one of blame rather than anticipating the loss of child support.

I think there is a difference between alive and on life support. Even if MRI was a last hope measure, I think all involved knew what the outcome would be.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

I totally agree with you. We had our two neutered/spayed and that helped considerably with the agressiveness but they are still strong, playful dogs that like to jump and swim and chew. They ate the drywall in our laundry room and figured out how to unscrew the infant gate across the door. They are adorable looking puppies and children do love them. When ours were pups, the neighbor kids would come over and play with them. That ended when the pups got stronger than the kids. We have no young kids in our household and would not recommend this breed be around kids. The fact that RN wanted to place the dog outside of the house is a clue to me that the dog played a part in Maxie's injury.

OMG our dogs are twins! Laundry room drywall, unscrewing infant gate, lol. We had ours neutered since the Vet thought it would help a great deal. But alas, this had no impact on our Weim's energy level. He needed to be ran hard every single day, about 3 - 4 miles, and he was still a pup!!!

 

[i.b.nora]

The Patch article links to the Arizona Republic article which makes it abundantly clear that Nancy does NOT live in Coronado.

 

[MizStery]

I could be wrong, but I think article implies DS lives in Coronado. I think NR lives maybe in No CA, but don't quote me.

I went back and reread the paragraph. I think you are right. I am sorry to have misread the story. So as Roseanne Roseannadanna would say,"never mind". I am giving myself a timeout.