Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[CuriousAmazon]

But, RN was different than the average American woman. Her culture and the places she lived 2/3 of her beginning life, and the last two years at the end of her life, are complex.

If he wanted her to leave, where would she go? Back to who she was at Macy's? If it is a fact that a proposal was looming, her future was looking mighty attractive.

Even if marriage didn't work out, she'd be financially set for the rest of her life, to live in a style she'd grown accustomed to. Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury. JS's wealth is in the upper echelon, and it was an immense upgrade for her, both monetarily and socially. Loss of that lifestyle would be comparable to you and me going from comfortable to homeless.

My first instinct was he "snapped" and told her to leave, then she "snapped" when she realized life was over, as she knew it. And, this is the focus of LE's investigation. Her frame of mind since Max's accident.

They've boiled it down to suicide or homicide (brilliant!), and the communications between the main players is crucial. Bags of evidence were carried from the mansion, and I'm sure there's no lack of technology in these people's lives. Phone and computer records will recreate contact information, and identify Internet searches.

At this point, all we know is something very bad happened between the time of MS's accident and JN's death. That these people are so far out of our league, makes it fascinating and mind-boggling. I sense that some people reject the suicide theory, because homicide is more entertaining.

This is my opinion, not based on whether I find this case exciting or what not, but because when I heard about it 1+1 did not equal 2 in my mind, and every day at work I do "analysis." IMO RN is different from the average American woman. Her family escaped the the rape and torture in Burmese 10 years ago. They are survivors! Survivors don't come all this way to die. She was beautiful, fit, had a good job, obviously had a ex who must have been still in love with her not to divorce her immediately even though RN was dating JS for 2-years, RN had lots of family and friends in Missouri, New York, Colorado, Germany, Arizona, her former boss enjoyed having her as an employee, her parents were still around, she was in JS's circle so she had opportunities to meet other eligible & wealthy young men, so I don't buy the Suicide theory for one minute. Even if LE declares it so, I refuse to believe it. LE has been wrong many times before and ruled a homicide a suicide, so I hope justice is served. If not now, then one day.

 

[Inobu]

in my opinion, you are still trying to lead posters to your conclusion - why?

Not sure what the problem is but I guess I have to point it out.

Explain to me how can I be leading someone when I stated

I even made it point to edit and clarify this..............


Read the article get the facts to confirm or dispel the notion.

Just for you Charlie09 I will jump ahead.

The poster posted a very good point but if you READ the article you will note that the kennel guy met her FACE to FACE.

Which means she made the call but Charlie09 did you know there was a second call?

Greenberg picked up the dog at 8:45 a.m. that morning. He described Nalepa as “sweet and nice, but subdued.” When he talked to her on Monday, she broke down and cried a couple of times, but by Tuesday there was just sadness in her voice.


This dispels the notion the DS made the call in that Greenberg saw her (RN) Tuesday when he arrived to pick up the dog. He does not mention that she was unaware of his intent. Confirming she made the call.

but new question arises that leaves another "thread" to pull, it too needs to be CONFIRM or DISPEL the notion completely.


Ocean is still at the San Diego kennel. A friend of the family called and asked Greenberg to keep the dog a bit longer.

Who was the family member that made the second call?

The article was posted July 14. The question is who made that call for the dog to remain and when.

It is about looking at all clues confirming or dispelling.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[Inobu]

How can it be both ways? How could she have "DISPLAYED HER MOTHERLY INSTINCTS AND LOVE FOR CHILDREN"...(sounds so real, btw...)

If she's also the "WICKED STEP-MONSTER" ?

Perception, perhaps?

Not making any accusation but simply answering the question.

The answer is simple.

When someone portrays an image that is not their true nature.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Bolded by me

JUST the way a narcissist would think, imo...

This wasn't a 1st love. This wasn't some green-behind-the-ears woman, imo...I really don't think her sky would cave in over losing Jonah...just my opinion.

Many women lose their children, many women feel guilty, many are 'blamed'...most don't wrap themselves in electrical cord and rope and dangle from balconies...IMO.

That is absolutely true. A lot of men and women have suffered unimaginable tradegies in their lives yet do not commit suicide.

But when over 30,000 people yearly do commit suicide it shows not everyone thinks and processes their pain the same way. That is not even counting the many thousands of females who attempts suicide and fails.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

"Wicked Stepmonster" was GS's perception. Not saying RN deserved the title.

Thanks...got it.

 

[Paladine]

Not making any accusation but simply answering the question.
The answer is simple.

When someone portrays an image that is not their true nature.

According to the original poster, who replied back to me on this board, your 'answer' is not her 'answer'. She surmised RN did not deserve the title...

My, this board is feeling like a rubics cube....EVIDENCE is needed, I feel like I'm being 'spinned' 6 ways to Sunday. <IMO

 

[BOZGAL]

I have been following this case since the beginning but just have not posted.
Some great thoughts on this forum.

My main feeling on this case is the fact nothing may ever come to light since there are wealthy people involved. I hope I am wrong on this because I do believe it was murder.

jmho

 

[Charlie09]

Not sure what the problem is but I guess I have to point it out.

Explain to me how can I be leading someone when I stated

I even made it point to edit and clarify this..............


Read the article get the facts to confirm or dispel the notion.

Just for you Charlie09 I will jump ahead.

The poster posted a very good point but if you READ the article you will note that the kennel guy met her FACE to FACE.

Which means she made the call but Charlie09 did you know there was a second call?

Greenberg picked up the dog at 8:45 a.m. that morning. He described Nalepa as “sweet and nice, but subdued.” When he talked to her on Monday, she broke down and cried a couple of times, but by Tuesday there was just sadness in her voice.


This dispels the notion the DS made the call in that Greenberg saw her (RN) Tuesday when he arrived to pick up the dog. He does not mention that she was unaware of his intent. Confirming she made the call.

but new question arises that leaves another "thread" to pull, it too needs to be CONFIRM or DISPEL the notion completely.


Ocean is still at the San Diego kennel. A friend of the family called and asked Greenberg to keep the dog a bit longer.

Who was the family member that made the second call?

The article was posted July 14. The question is who made that call for the dog to remain and when.

It is about looking at all clues confirming or dispelling.

I'll leave it at that.

Unless you have personal knowledge you only have second hand info from the media. We've seen conflicting reports on nearly everything in this particular situation.

I'm not trying to argue, but trying to persuade based on what has been reported may or may not be misleading. We can't confirm or dispel anything at this point. We can speculate.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I'll accept either ruling, suicide or homicide. I've had too much experience in my 50 years...and in my adult years working with victims of rape and domestic violence, to know that one cannot get into another person's mind and assume to know what they're thinking or predict what they'll do.

One thing I did wonder, if perhaps "someone" threatened JS and/or RN with a wrongful injury or death lawsuit, and with RN gone (by her own hand or another), that would make for a weaker case as she may have been the main witness. Just pondering motives...

 

[Paladine]

&#8220;A woman named Rebecca asked us if we could come and pick up her dog because her kid was in an accident, in the hospital and in a coma, and she wanted to go to the hospital and not worry about her dog,&#8221; Greenberg said.

A former employer, who knew the victim as Rebecca Zahau, said he hopes justice can be served.

Michael Trier, CEO of Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center, said Zahau worked as a Certified Ophthalmic Technician from April 2008 until December 2010.

From the same link, on the left of the page, I see a video I want to watch, "Friend Doubts Coronado Death a Suicide" BUT....after watching the darn commercial I got, "This content is currently unavailable"?

This case certainly has alot of 'content' that's 'unavailable', imo...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/125658918.html
Source: New Details in Coronado Mansion Mystery | NBC San Diego

 

[Paladine]

I have no link...but I do recall Ted Greenberg, kennel owner, saying that Jonah either called after Rebeccas death or/and picked up the dog...one could try searching his interviews for a link, imo.

ETA: those interested could try the 1st JVM interview...may be there...

 

[jjenny]

From the same link, on the left of the page, I see a video I want to watch, "Friend Doubts Coronado Death a Sucide" BUT....after watching the darn commercial I got, "This content is currently unavailable"?

This case certainly has alot of 'content' that's 'unavailable', imo...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/125658918.html
Source: New Details in Coronado Mansion Mystery | NBC San Diego

It worked for me. Basically the friend said (I am paraphrasing a little bit) that RN was not the kind of person who would ever commit suicide. RN was described by this friend as a "survivor" and someone who would never be seen or allow herself to be seen naked in public. If police are looking at "victimology" I don't think we've heard from anyone who believed her to be suicidal or capable of suicide, have we?

 

[Paladine]

I have been following this case since the beginning but just have not posted.
Some great thoughts on this forum.

My main feeling on this case is the fact nothing may ever come to light since there are wealthy people involved. I hope I am wrong on this because I do believe it was murder.

jmho

I share your fear...and your belief. Thanks for piping up...

 

[Paladine]

It worked for me. Basically the friend said (I am paraphrasing a little bit) that RN was not the kind of person who would ever commit suicide. RN was described by this friend as a "survivor" and someone who would never be seen or allow herself to be seen naked in public. If police are looking at "victimology" I don't think we've heard from anyone who believed her to be suicidal or capable of suicide, have we?

Thanks, jjenny ...it's that Canadian-thing, again...the interwebs keep holding it against me and won't let me watch some videos...

ETA: And I agree with the bolded portion, as well....I have not seen 1 person who said she was...but wait, now, that we've posted that...one will pop up.

 

[Jade]

Also, where was DS when she couldn't be found after Max's accident? She obviously wasn't too worried about how well Rebecca took care of Max. She didn't have her cell phone on, didn't leave word where she would be. She must have felt comfortable that Max was safe.

Didn't they try to contact her through several sources? Work, cell, home, neighbors? Wonder where JS was? I know they were not together, as he would have told DS and he beat Rebecca and GS to the hospital.

I have wondered if DS was rushing/had already rushed to the hospital when LE couldn’t reach her at home or by phone.

Someone will correct me if I am wrong but don’t you have to turn off your cell phone in certain hospital settings?

I am not sure if we know that is was actually turned off just no one answered?

DS possibly having gotten the news from GS or JS may have ignored the phone as she was in route and on arrival seeing she already knew and being in a state why answer.

Because of the delay in help arriving there was time while RN was giving CPR for GS to have been calling Dad and DS.

Or for JS or his assistant to call DS as soon as he heard even while underway.

If I had been RN I would have been telling GS to call them after calling 911.

I don’t think we know how DS learned of MS accident but it would make sense a family member had contacted her immediately.

all imo

 

[Paladine]

A link to a search listing all Shacknai stories in the San Deigo paper...just browsing, thought I'd share...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/search/?q=shacknai

 

[Charlie09]

Off to enjoy the beautiful sun at the beach here in Laguna Beach. Hoping there's some new news later today.

 

[Paladine]

Not making any accusation but simply answering the question.

The answer is simple.

When someone portrays an image that is not their true nature.

How is that simple? How do we know what Rebeccas 'true nature' is...? We can speculate, yes...but is it simple? No...imo.

ETA: the original post was not talking about 'someone'...it referred specifically to RN.

 

[Paladine]

Off to enjoy the beautiful sun at the beach here in Laguna Beach. Hoping there's some new news later today.

Enjoy ...and think of me in my frozen tundra, would ya?, lol....

 

[Paladine]

Ayep! Some awesome potential scriptwriters are born on true crime forums every day, starting with the JBR case in early 1997.

We most definitely need more facts with which to work; otherwise, the threads fill-up too fast with wild speculation, guessing...posters who are so SURE with their theories, others who post about personal experiences not necessarily relevant.

I've taken to reading Latest. Still same.

Carrion! ;->

jmo

Agreed. But we do want to keep the thread alive so it's all good....

And at the end of a case, I find it so cool to re-read the threads and see where we were right and where we headed in a wrong direction...and what led us THERE...lol...sleuthing doesn't stop.