Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[pferrin]

I have wondered if DS was rushing/had already rushed to the hospital when LE couldn’t reach her at home or by phone.

Someone will correct me if I am wrong but don’t you have to turn off your cell phone in certain hospital settings?

I am not sure if we know that is was actually turned off just no one answered?

DS possibly having gotten the news from GS or JS may have ignored the phone as she was in route and on arrival seeing she already knew and being in a state why answer.

Because of the delay in help arriving there was time while RN was giving CPR for GS to have been calling Dad and DS.

Or for JS or his assistant to call DS as soon as he heard even while underway.

If I had been RN I would have been telling GS to call them after calling 911.

I don’t think we know how DS learned of MS accident but it would make sense a family member had contacted her immediately.

all imo

Hi Jade.. I listened to police conversations to dispatch for the 11th..this is what I learned this was about 2 weeks ago when I wrote this..


I went on radioreference this afternoon and listen to police archives for july 11..from 10:00 am till about 12:45...my findings..

police and fire dept went to ocean ave a little after 10:00..I believe it was closer to 10:10am. 911 caller said 6 year old girl had fallen down the steps and was not breathing. the caller was hysterical..according to dispatch..gave addy as 1040 rather than 1043. Fire and police call dispatch back when on that block..there is no 1040. Dispatch calls caller and gets correct addy.

They transport Maxie to closer hospital..someone at house had been doing cpr while rescue was on the way. Rebecca calls JS on landline and he gets to hospital er first. 2 females from js house ride with police to hospital.

In the meantime..police go to Ave G to locate DS ..she is not home. They call her home # ..message box full. They said her car was there..they ran the tags.

Thee police tried numerous times to contact her..called lots of numbers went to house several times.

RN and GS meet with js and hospital and about 1 hour from the time of the 911
call..they were taking Maxie to childrens hospital. Police take the 2 females back to JS home..I believe this is RN and GS.

At 12:30 the police went by DS home again and she still was not there..I got tired and came back here..to me this says GS was not swept away..Dad prolly sent both home..didnt want GS to see anymore.

So I do know that DS did not get to hospital first..not sure what time they were able to notify her..I stopped listening at 100pm..hope this helps you.

 

[Paladine]

Been on vacation for a some days and rushed back to see the developments.

Frustrating indeed because there's none. How can that be? :-/

Lotsa $$$$$$$, maybe?

Did you catch the info on the PR Co. JS hired? It's here somewhere, wow, what an impressive company. That was about 6 days ago, no link handy, The last stories that came with any meaningful news? About the same time, per google search...all from my personal observation, of course, take it for what it's worth or one can look into it themselves.

We're patient. We'll wait. I'd venture to say...if anyone hopes by delaying news, or not reporting on this case, it will fade...it won't. Not for some of us and we can be a noisy bunch.

 

[pferrin]

Enjoy ...and think of me in my frozen tundra, would ya?, lol....

what is the temp up there today?

 

[Paladine]

what is the temp up there today?

I was playing into a stereotype, lol...today it's sunny, currently 73F going up to 82F....I had to use a conversion chart, lol...I'm used to: 23C to 28C...and not much humidity...

Hmmm....researching the temp made me think 'people must decompose at a slower rate here, if left outside'...ewww....the thoughts I have.

 

[pferrin]

72 is so nice...free ac.

 

[Paladine]

older story, first I can see reported in San Diego paper:

"This is a very bizarre death, there's no doubt about it," Curran said at a news conference. "There is roughly 200 years of experience in the sheriff's homicide unit, and they all agree these are very unusual circumstances."

http://ww.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/14/bound-woman-found-hanging-at-calif-mansion/

 

[Paladine]

Inobu, I do appreciate your posts and I can agree with you on a few points.

I agree with the hinkyness of the scene...and I appreciate your ability to articulate it so well. Well done, I get it, and thank you for the effort. I can totally see AS helping JS clean up....it's possible, in my mind.

I just think it would be much easier if you would post the answer, your conclusion and how you come to it, rather than giving us pointers to find the answer you seem to already know, lol...if that makes any sense...

I appreciate your intelligence.

Keep posting...you do add alot to this board.

 

[Paladine]

If my calculations are right it has been three weeks today since the homicide/suicide and those lab tests should be coming back anytime now.

I wonder what new discussions they will bring about, and what doors will be opened, and others closed??

3 weeks and there was supposedly a rush put on them, too...soon, I hope...

 

[StJohn]

I'll accept either ruling, suicide or homicide. I've had too much experience in my 50 years...and in my adult years working with victims of rape and domestic violence, to know that one cannot get into another person's mind and assume to know what they're thinking or predict what they'll do.

One thing I did wonder, if perhaps "someone" threatened JS and/or RN with a wrongful injury or death lawsuit, and with RN gone (by her own hand or another), that would make for a weaker case as she may have been the main witness. Just pondering motives...

I have thought about the possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit threat as well. There is some reason why RN was not at the hospital with JS on Tuesday night. After all, she specifically told the kennel owner that she needed to board the dog so she could be at the hospital. Why would she need to board the dog if she expected to return home every night? If RN & JS had such a loving, supportive relationship, wouldn't she want to be by his side every minute? Wouldn't he want her to be there? I think something went down between RN & DS at some point prior to Tues night, and RN may have been asked to stay at home.

 

[Jade]

Hi Jade.. I listened to police conversations to dispatch for the 11th..this is what I learned this was about 2 weeks ago when I wrote this..


I went on radioreference this afternoon and listen to police archives for july 11..from 10:00 am till about 12:45...my findings..

police and fire dept went to ocean ave a little after 10:00..I believe it was closer to 10:10am. 911 caller said 6 year old girl had fallen down the steps and was not breathing. the caller was hysterical..according to dispatch..gave addy as 1040 rather than 1043. Fire and police call dispatch back when on that block..there is no 1040. Dispatch calls caller and gets correct addy.

They transport Maxie to closer hospital..someone at house had been doing cpr while rescue was on the way. Rebecca calls JS on landline and he gets to hospital er first. 2 females from js house ride with police to hospital.

In the meantime..police go to Ave G to locate DS ..she is not home. They call her home # ..message box full. They said her car was there..they ran the tags.

Thee police tried numerous times to contact her..called lots of numbers went to house several times.

RN and GS meet with js and hospital and about 1 hour from the time of the 911
call..they were taking Maxie to childrens hospital. Police take the 2 females back to JS home..I believe this is RN and GS.

At 12:30 the police went by DS home again and she still was not there..I got tired and came back here..to me this says GS was not swept away..Dad prolly sent both home..didnt want GS to see anymore.

So I do know that DS did not get to hospital first..not sure what time they were able to notify her..I stopped listening at 100pm..hope this helps you.

Thank you for getting us that information.

I had read your post but it wasn’t sinking in that R had made the call to JS on the landline.

So after help arrived RN made her phone call to JS.

What a horrible call that must have been. God bless her.

Really though I guess it is really none of my business when or how she reached her sons bedside…I feel bad pursuing that aspect..

all imo

 

[scorekeeper]

Passion - Money - Fear of exposure; These were 3 reasons listed for murder in a book I finished reading (The Deepest Water by Kate Wilhelm).

Passion - JS was supposedly passionate with RN
DS may have been totally, totally jealous of RN
JS and DS may have both been very, very angry and blamed RN
for Maxie's accident and soon-to-be death

Money - DS would probably no longer receive child support and alimony
JS's company may have suffered financially if GS/RN was named
as being somehow responsible for Maxie's condition

Fear of Exposure - JS because if GS was somehow involved in Maxie's
accident and RN knew what really happened - JS didn't want
RN talking; didn't want her to expose the truth

JS.......I also think AS would have assisted his brother. A lot of anger and control issues (bindings, ties) evident. Someone wanted embarrassment for RN and possibly a "word to the wise" for others....

If we only had the findings on the picture and carpet pieces removed....

Let me have it!! With no LE reports, we keep "sleuthing/speculating".....:crazy::seeya::banghead:

 

[scorekeeper]

72 is so nice...free ac.

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O/T...It is 78 here....so nice to open the doors and windows to let in fresh air!! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[Paladine]

I have thought about the possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit threat as well. There is some reason why RN was not at the hospital with JS on Tuesday night. After all, she specifically told the kennel owner that she needed to board the dog so she could be at the hospital. Why would she need to board the dog if she expected to return home every night? If RN & JS had such a loving, supportive relationship, wouldn't she want to be by his side every minute? Wouldn't he want her to be there? I think something went down between RN & DS at some point prior to Tues night, and RN may have been asked to stay at home.

1st bolded by me: I cannot leave my dog alone all day, even if I intend to be home at night; she's a suck. The situation was precarious, Rebecca likely didn't know what would happen or how it would happen...I see her as a woman preparing to be there for her family, step or not.

2nd bolded by me: I can agree with that. If it was my child I might not want the girlfriend at hospital w/me and my child, totally understandable, imo. I'd want me, my child and the Father. There may have been an altercation at the hospital between Rebecca and Dina or maybe Dina just asked Jonah to ask her to leave...OR maybe Rebecca just left cause she chose to give the parents of the child that space...was Jonah even at the hospital in the evening hours? We do not know.

 

[pferrin]

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O/T...It is 78 here....so nice to open the doors and windows to let in fresh air!! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

OKIE..now I am jealous..makes me want to live in cooler weather.

Was talking to brother at lunch..one thing that bothers him is that police said they could not identify what she was tied to inside the home

also the fact that they said suspended..

and that she was supposedly hanging outside naked.

He said that because of ica case that police are not gonna jump out and give info too early.They will take their time..wheither we like it or not.

Also because $$$$ level involved..they will be more careful not to aide JS just to make sure that things are in order.

 

[Paladine]

This is my opinion, not based on whether I find this case exciting or what not, but because when I heard about it 1+1 did not equal 2 in my mind, and every day at work I do "analysis." IMO RN is different from the average American woman. Her family escaped the the rape and torture in Burmese 10 years ago. They are survivors! Survivors don't come all this way to die. She was beautiful, fit, had a good job, obviously had a ex who must have been still in love with her not to divorce her immediately even though RN was dating JS for 2-years, RN had lots of family and friends in Missouri, New York, Colorado, Germany, Arizona, her former boss enjoyed having her as an employee, her parents were still around, she was in JS's circle so she had opportunities to meet other eligible & wealthy young men, so I don't buy the Suicide theory for one minute. Even if LE declares it so, I refuse to believe it. LE has been wrong many times before and ruled a homicide a suicide, so I hope justice is served. If not now, then one day.

Man...what a post and a breath of fresh air. Thanks for that.

 

[Paladine]

Thanks for the opinion from your bro, pferrin, it gave me hope...

 

[StJohn]

Hi Jade.. I listened to police conversations to dispatch for the 11th..this is what I learned this was about 2 weeks ago when I wrote this..


I went on radioreference this afternoon and listen to police archives for july 11..from 10:00 am till about 12:45...my findings..

police and fire dept went to ocean ave a little after 10:00..I believe it was closer to 10:10am. 911 caller said 6 year old girl had fallen down the steps and was not breathing. the caller was hysterical..according to dispatch..gave addy as 1040 rather than 1043. Fire and police call dispatch back when on that block..there is no 1040. Dispatch calls caller and gets correct addy.

They transport Maxie to closer hospital..someone at house had been doing cpr while rescue was on the way. Rebecca calls JS on landline and he gets to hospital er first. 2 females from js house ride with police to hospital.

In the meantime..police go to Ave G to locate DS ..she is not home. They call her home # ..message box full. They said her car was there..they ran the tags.

Thee police tried numerous times to contact her..called lots of numbers went to house several times.

RN and GS meet with js and hospital and about 1 hour from the time of the 911
call..they were taking Maxie to childrens hospital. Police take the 2 females back to JS home..I believe this is RN and GS.

At 12:30 the police went by DS home again and she still was not there..I got tired and came back here..to me this says GS was not swept away..Dad prolly sent both home..didnt want GS to see anymore.

So I do know that DS did not get to hospital first..not sure what time they were able to notify her..I stopped listening at 100pm..hope this helps you.

pferrin, do we know for an absolute certainty that the 2nd female at the house was GS? Did they say her name at some point on the dispatch? The reason I am asking is because a reporter on HLN said the 2nd female at the home during the accident was absolutely not GS, but was RN's younger sister.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was playing into a stereotype, lol...today it's sunny, currently 73F going up to 82F....I had to use a conversion chart, lol...I'm used to: 23C to 28C...and not much humidity...

Hmmm....researching the temp made me think 'people must decompose at a slower rate here, if left outside'...ewww....the thoughts I have.

Oh my gosh that temperature sounds so wonderful.

Here in south Georgia it is 101 and with the humidity it feels like 114 and we are in a heat advisory alert.:banghead:

 

[Paladine]

Oh my gosh that temperature sounds so wonderful.

Here in south Georgia it is 101 and with the humidity it feels like 114 and we are in a heat advisory alert.:banghead:

I know, I see the heat advisories for ya'll...terrible.

It's changed here. We've gotten warmer, too...but we were sorta cold to start, lol...we joke, Canada will be the new Florida, lol...working out not so bad on our end.

 

[Morag]

I am basing this post on the memory of a picture which I can't find! It is the picture which shows the Juliet balcony with a shortish (2feet) bit of rope dangling down from the center of it.

If the hanging rope was anchored inside and ran through the uprights of the balcony, that means it's unlikely that a suicide was committed by going over the rail toward the ground. The rope would have to be threaded thru the uprights and brought up onto the balcony, then placed about the neck (possibly with bound hands and/or feet). Only then could the person go over the top of the balcony rail to the ground. It would make it difficult to know how much rope would be required to avoid hitting the ground and not achieving your 'goal'.

So I am assuming that the rope would have been threaded through the uprights, and the dread act would have been achieved by performing all the necessary binding and noosing and jumping from the table top. Again, if the rope was too long, you wouldn't get the desired results, so it had to be kept short.

And if it was short, of course you couldn't put it around your neck until you had climbed up on the table. And you couldn't climb on the table if you were tightly bound- so you would have to stand or sit on the table while you bound yourself, then noose yourself, then jump. Since the rope couldn't be very long, it must have been just long enough to extend to your neck.

We don't know exactly how far it was from the balcony floor to the ground, say 10-15 feet. If it was 10 feet, then the cut end of the rope was about 8 feet off the ground after she was cut down, or 9 feet or 11 feet, etc. A 6' tall person standing on a 3 foot table could easily cut the rope, since he would be almost bumping his head on the balcony when he cut it. But if the rope was designed to be only long enough to permit a hanging, then why would it need to be cut so far up on the wall?

She stands on the 3' table and jumps.

Her feet are, say, 2 feet from the ground. She's 5' tall, so the noose is only 6 feet off the ground. I'm not tall, but I could reach up and cut the rope (near her neck) without standing on the table. If the cut part of the rope is 8' off the ground (I'm thinking the balcony is more like
12-15'), I can only reach it by standing on the table.

If it (the rope cut) is 10-12' off the ground, I can't reach high enough even if I stand on the table.

So why was the rope cut so far up the wall? Her bent knees may indicate that she was hanging in an almost squatting position, making the noose only 4 or 5' feet off the ground.

Why was the rope cut so far up the wall? Why didn't he just cut it immediately above the noose knot?