Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[Paladine]

I don"t mean to go over the same thing but that is what I meant about taking the source into consideration and validating. Chances are the Arizona Repubic is going to take more interest in the story more so than MSN and dedicate resources to it, it is real local news to them. The CoronadoPatch just has to run down the street for an interview verses CNN or AP.
So the credibility and information access is broad.

Inobu

I agree with this post...in general, local papers and newsites do have the better sources and are closer to the crime, in my mind, it makes sense. BUT local papers can also be more 'controlled' by a powerful person who runs in the same social circles as the person in question...it can swing boths ways, imo.

 

[Inobu]

I could be wrong, but I think article implies DS lives in Coronado. I think NR lives maybe in No CA, but don't quote me.

Shacknai's ex-wife, a clinical psychologist based in Arizona, also lives part-time at a nearby home in Coronado. News 8 (Local News Station) spoke to an unidentified man at her home, who said she was not prepared to make a public statement at this time. He added that she was at the hospital with her son at the time of the incident at the mansion.

Means the station tracked her down and went to the home. validation.

 

[Theforeigner]

Thanks so much for posting his picture. A memorial tribute of photo's were available on one of our threads.... i am not sure if this was sponsered by the
church or RN family.I am sure it is NN in the kitchen with RN at a potluck during the Christmas season. It caught my eye because I have the identical vintage JOY decoration myself. Now that is a detail I know you are happy I shared. :smile:

Your welcome

But you got me mystifyed by the remark highlighted in red ?

 

[branwynbreeze]

A comment about Weims, I've has Sporting breed (Gun dogs) my entire life. The only ones that gave me fits were German Shorthair Pointers, some have no off switch. Weims I've know have been very biddable.

By 14 months dog should have know basic obedience commands and yeah, they are still goofy at that age, but a lot depends on what they can and cannot get away with-boundries set. A dog will dominate or attempt to and if allowed will exhibit destructive behaviour. Of course, that could also be from lack of proper exercise, too.

Disclaimer: all dogs and households are different, this is just my experience with dogs as owner, handler and trainer of show, obedience and hunting dogs.

ETA-oh yes, I've had the forever puppy, as well. She thought it was fun to remove things from tables and parade around with them (sometimes chew on them). She did this until her passing from cancer at 10 years old.

 

[Inobu]

I agree with this post...in general, local papers and newsites do have the better sources and are closer to the crime, in my mind, it makes sense. BUT local papers can also be more 'controlled' by a powerful person who runs in the same social circles as the person in question...it can swing boths ways, imo.

Yes, when they start clamming up then you know something was said. The factor that reduced that probability is that this is the vacation home not primary residence. This event is a liability to the city.

Also remember the tax switch issue. Ask for a tax break and then start remodeling................

 

[Paladine]

I am basing this post on the memory of a picture which I can't find! It is the picture which shows the Juliet balcony with a shortish (2feet) bit of rope dangling down from the center of it.

If the hanging rope was anchored inside and ran through the uprights of the balcony, that means it's unlikely that a suicide was committed by going over the rail toward the ground. The rope would have to be threaded thru the uprights and brought up onto the balcony, then placed about the neck (possibly with bound hands and/or feet). Only then could the person go over the top of the balcony rail to the ground. It would make it difficult to know how much rope would be required to avoid hitting the ground and not achieving your 'goal'.
So I am assuming that the rope would have been threaded through the uprights, and the dread act would have been achieved by performing all the necessary binding and noosing and jumping from the table top. Again, if the rope was too long, you wouldn't get the desired results, so it had to be kept short.

And if it was short, of course you couldn't put it around your neck until you had climbed up on the table. And you couldn't climb on the table if you were tightly bound- so you would have to stand or sit on the table while you bound yourself, then noose yourself, then jump. Since the rope couldn't be very long, it must have been just long enough to extend to your neck.

We don't know exactly how far it was from the balcony floor to the ground, say 10-15 feet. If it was 10 feet, then the cut end of the rope was about 8 feet off the ground after she was cut down, or 9 feet or 11 feet, etc. A 6' tall person standing on a 3 foot table could easily cut the rope, since he would be almost bumping his head on the balcony when he cut it. But if the rope was designed to be only long enough to permit a hanging, then why would it need to be cut so far up on the wall?

She stands on the 3' table and jumps.

Her feet are, say, 2 feet from the ground. She's 5' tall, so the noose is only 6 feet off the ground. I'm not tall, but I could reach up and cut the rope (near her neck) without standing on the table. If the cut part of the rope is 8' off the ground (I'm thinking the balcony is more like
12-15'), I can only reach it by standing on the table.

If it (the rope cut) is 10-12' off the ground, I can't reach high enough even if I stand on the table.

So why was the rope cut so far up the wall? Her bent knees may indicate that she was hanging in an almost squatting position, making the noose only 4 or 5' feet off the ground.

Why was the rope cut so far up the wall? Why didn't he just cut it immediately above the noose knot?

Great questions...

If she would have jumped from the balcony, the rope should be dangling OVER the rail...

The 'rope' is under the rail or on the bottom of the rail, through the rail, from the glimpse I think I saw...

SO she would have had to go outside, stripped or stripping naked, and then bind herself with electrical cord, knoting the rope to 'suspend' herself while standing on a three-legged table? Am I there, yet? No. I know...there are so many inconsistancies with what we do know...and we know little.

P.S. In the presser a reporter asked, how high is the balcony...the answer, as I recall clearly, was 10-15 feet, exactly your assumption.

Between you and Inubo, and a few others, I'm sold. I see it. I see that I cannot see it.

 

[Paladine]

A comment about Weims, I've has Sporting breed (Gun dogs) my entire life. The only ones that gave me fits were German Shorthair Pointers, some have no off switch. Weims I've know have been very biddable.

By 14 months dog should have know basic obedience commands and yeah, they are still goofy at that age, but a lot depends on what they can and cannot get away with-boundries set. A dog will dominate or attempt to and if allowed will exhibit destructive behaviour. Of course, that could also be from lack of proper exercise, too.

Disclaimer: all dogs and households are different, this is just my experience with dogs as owner, handler and trainer of show, obedience and hunting dogs.

ETA-oh yes, I've had the forever puppy, as well. She thought it was fun to remove things from tables and parade around with them (sometimes chew on them). She did this until her passing from cancer at 10 years old.

So sorry to hear...it's hard when we lose our furbabies, too... I have a 5 yr old...I'm already dreading it...(< personal issue )

 

[scorekeeper]

Not sure why you're assuming child support would end for a 6-yr-old. It usually goes til 18 and even then might include college costs and health care.

If this was murder, the explanation I could believe is that it was retaliation for not supervising Maxie.

MyBelle,

I believe that DS and JS knew the medical outcome of Maxie on Monday. He was found unresponsive and not breathing. From everything I have read he was on life support on Monday. I'm sure DS was notified by attending physician that Maxie was not going to recover. She is having to be at the hospital with her ex (they have a documented abusive relationship) and who knows what he is ranting about.....

My point was DS was going to lose $$$$. And I would think that DS is going to blame RN for her son's condition and her decrease in income.

But you are right, Maxie was still on life supports on Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning....

Someone asked about DS house in Coronado; It is owned by a trust fund/company of JS.......I can try to find link if needed..

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[Morag]

Someone asked about DS house in Coronado; It is owned by a trust fund/company of JS.......I can try to find link if needed..

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I wonder if she has the right to live there for life, or is it at the pleasure of the trustee?

 

[pferrin]

foreignor Thanks for doing timeline..IMO it was not RN's sister there at js house on the 11th but IT was GS..JS daughter What makes you think it was RN"S sis? tia

 

[4Jacy]

She was shaken by recent events in her home, said a San Diego kennel owner who spoke with her on the Spreckels property Tuesday, less than 24 hours before she died

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...etectives-not-ready-to-discuss-cause-of-death

Article from July 15 - he only mentions that he spoke/say with RN on Tuesday.

So the call placed for the extended stay must have been placed on Thursday as reported in my previous post.

[/B]I do believe as previously posted....the dog may have been involved with Maxie's accident....RN could have been instructed to board the dog; therefore, leaving her vulnerable.[/QUOTE]

BBM

Scorekeeper, way back when I posted that the dog may have had something(accidently, by the way,) to do with little Maxie's accident, well, I no longer believe this. The reason? The dog is still (as far as we know) alive.

 

[4Jacy]

I totally agree with you. We had our two neutered/spayed and that helped considerably with the agressiveness but they are still strong, playful dogs that like to jump and swim and chew. They ate the drywall in our laundry room and figured out how to unscrew the infant gate across the door. They are adorable looking puppies and children do love them. When ours were pups, the neighbor kids would come over and play with them. That ended when the pups got stronger than the kids. We have no young kids in our household and would not recommend this breed be around kids. The fact that RN wanted to place the dog outside of the house is a clue to me that the dog played a part in Maxie's injury.

These are have always been my favorite dogs. For their beauty, for their eyes, but not for their attitude. My oldest son was bitten by two of them when they lived next door to us.

As I have said before, yes, the dog could have played a part in little Maxie's death: however, is the dog still alive???

 

[CuriousHousewife]

Just throwing this out there, could the dog have gotten under foot on the stairs? Mine did when she was able to get up and down the stairs and she could have knocked my kids down running by, too and i almost trip over my cats on the stairs about daily.

 

[pferrin]

http://www.meierhoffer.com/interments/rebecca-m-zahau/
Another reason I dont think RN had a younger sister at JS HOUSE..SHE DIDNT HAVE A 13 YO SIS..according to her sis Mary in article above

Rebecca lived a life that was family centric. Although there was a geographic distance between us, Rebecca always made us feel she was right here with us. She loved God, her, family, and life. She honored and admired her parents. She was a role model to her younger siblings. She adored her nephew and niece. Rebecca was taken from us far too soon. It is hard to accept that she will not be a part of our lives as her younger brother and sister gets married, her nephew and niece graduates from high school, with the birth of new members, and the other many family milestones ahead of us.


She states that as RN's younger brother and sis get married and nephew and neice graduate high school..Now if she had a 13 year old sis ..I am sure her sis would have said when her younger sis graduates high school..She does NOT. Please anyone tell me this childs intials and where she lives..till then I believe it was GS at the house.

Please dont use hln as a source for me ..cause I dont believe them..tia

 

[scorekeeper]

4Jacy,

BBM

I also posted awhile back that I felt the dog may have been involved in the accident.

But you bring up a good point with JS taking the dog back to AZ with him.

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[jstwondering]

Even though RN & JS were a 'couple', in that situation, where there is a critically injured child, she was the outsider, the "other woman." If I were the mother, I definitely would not want her anywhere near my son. From what we have heard about the Shacknai divorce, Dina did not want it, and had a hard time letting go. The other woman now is in her house, with her husband and her son. A lot to deal with if you still "love" your ex husband. MOO

I totally agree, and would venture to add that it is a lot to deal with even if you no longer love your ex, but totally, over-the-moon love your 6 year old baby boy!

 

[Theforeigner]

foreignor Thanks for doing timeline..IMO it was not RN's sister there at js house on the 11th but IT was GS..JS daughter What makes you think it was the sis? tia

Your welcome

And concerning the RN's sister/ GS..JS daughter issue, BOTH have been reported in newsreports.
However the reason I only have RN's sister listed is due to that I posted the timeline without reading it through propperly SORRY!, I had planed to correct it and put the GS..JS daughter as the probably correct person and add RN's sister as somone reported in at least one newsreport.
I will go back and correct it.

Thanks for make me aware of my error

 

[pferrin]

Sorry Foreigner ..that sis thing has been making me crazy for weeks. Thanks very much.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...-death-investigation-20110719,0,3614348.story

The sheriff's department said Tuesday they is looking into the "possibility other people may have been staying inside the house" the night before Zahau died.

Earlier reports indicated Zahau and Adam Shacknai were the only ones inside the mansion.

BBM

That's interesting......

 

[Theforeigner]

http://www.meierhoffer.com/interments/rebecca-m-zahau/
Another reason I dont think RN had a younger sister at JS HOUSE..SHE DIDNT HAVE A 13 YO SIS..according to her sis Mary in article above

Rebecca lived a life that was family centric. Although there was a geographic distance between us, Rebecca always made us feel she was right here with us. She loved God, her, family, and life. She honored and admired her parents. She was a role model to her younger siblings. She adored her nephew and niece. Rebecca was taken from us far too soon. It is hard to accept that she will not be a part of our lives as her younger brother and sister gets married, her nephew and niece graduates from high school, with the birth of new members, and the other many family milestones ahead of us.


She states that as RN's younger brother and sis get married and nephew and neice graduate high school..Now if she had a 13 year old sis ..I am sure her sis would have said when her younger sis graduates high school..She does NOT. Please anyone tell me this childs intials and where she lives..till then I believe it was GS at the house.

Please dont use hln as a source for me ..cause I dont believe them..tia

I have now corrected the info on the timeline I posted.

FYI:

On Neil Nalepa´s Face Book he has two Zahau teenages listed as friends, their names are: Xxxx Zahau, 6th grade (girl), and Jxxxxx Zahau, 8th grade (boy)

They go to school in Cosby Missouri.
Who's children/siblings they are, I dont know for sure, but I belive that RN's sister Mary Zahau-Loehner live in St. Joseph, Mo, and that is ca. 15 miles from Cosby Missouri, so they are probably her children, that beeing RN's niece and nephew.