Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[Carrington]

Those comments are very interesting ..

The comments are interesting, I don't think we ever discussed the tapes at the hospital showing JS/DS wearing different clothes.
Of course, Adam or Rebecca could have brought JS a change of clothes to the hospital. And, DS sister could have brought hers.
So, I guess it's just another ?.

IMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Thanks--I am struggling with my thought processes due to severe insomnia for the past 10 days. I just realized how that could work. I was thinking that she was referring to Jonah as her dad, and not that the girlfriend could be Dina. My heavens, I need sleep!

LOL I've slept & I was still thinking the same thing as you were!

 

[MsFacetious]

It is strange that she stated "He fell off a balcony at his dads house this morning".

Umm.... I find it odd that she never updated on Max's condition... aside from once in the comments on July 19th... and that someone said they were glad Max was going to be okay.... on August 4th. I totally thought I missed something huge... :waitasec:

 

[Bonepile]

Rebecca Mawaii Zahau
1979 - 2011
“I am with my Lord where there is no pain, no tears, no more sadness nor crying, and where there is no more death.”​

 

[Theforeigner]

Shacknai speaks; mystery answers could come next week

CORONADO, Calif. -- Conclusion to a nearly month-long death mystery at the Spreckels Mansion on Coronado could come by the end of next week.
The San Diego Sheriff’s Department said Tuesday it expects to release information on the death of 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau as soon as it gets toxicology results, which could be by next Friday.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...could-come-next-week-20110809,0,3128257.story

I'm sure this is a duplicate post from thread #5. Worth posting again.

One more week or less!

There seems to be new info concerning JS's wereabouts at the time of MS's accident in that newsreport.
It also repeet the calim that it was RN's little sister who was at the house:

Quote:

"Two days before she died, Shacknai’s 6-year-old son Max was fatally injured after falling near a flight of stairs. His death is being investigated by Coronado Police as an accident. Rebecca Zahau and her 13-year-old sister were the only other two people inside the home when the fall happened. Police said Shacknai was returning from the gym at the time."

 

[Quester]

I believe AS’ story of cutting RN down and this is why:

I believe that weathered teak table leg broke when the weight of AS alone or AS + RN was upon it.

That table was placed with two legs which look to be on the grass just beside the brick pathway and two legs which look to be on the brick pathway. Now those two legs on brick (or just one of the legs) could have slid, splaying the legs under the added weight to a mortise join between the bricks or even off the brick pathway, snapping one of the legs at the join to the table top.

Otherwise, under normal use, that 4-legged table may have carried on to support many more breakfasts, lunches, etc. And, with all four legs on grass or even a solid surface, a little weight (dishes, food, etc) and movement would not have snapped a leg as it would as I described above.

Note: I acknowledge that we have no indication whether or not the table and all four legs were intact prior to the day RN was found in the courtyard. However, if a leg had been broken from the table prior to this date, I find it highly unlikely that the table would have remained in the courtyard in its broken state with small children around (or anyone around for that matter).

 

[defense101]

I believe AS’ story of cutting RN down and this is why:

I believe that weathered teak table leg broke when the weight of AS alone or AS + RN was upon it.

That table was placed with two legs which look to be on the grass just beside the brick pathway and two legs which look to be on the brick pathway. Now those two legs on brick (or just one of the legs) could have slid, splaying the legs under the added weight to a mortise join between the bricks or even off the brick pathway, snapping one of the legs at the join to the table top.

Otherwise, under normal use, that 4-legged table may have carried on to support many more breakfasts, lunches, etc. And, with all four legs on grass or even a solid surface, a little weight (dishes, food, etc) and movement would not have snapped a leg as it would as I described above.

Note: I acknowledge that we have no indication whether or not the table and all four legs were in-tack prior to the day RN was found in the courtyard. However, if a leg had been broken from the table prior to this date, I find it highly unlikely that the table would have remained in the courtyard in its broken state with small children around (or anyone around for that matter).

yup as well the leg laying under the table where it stood the day RN was found, might show that it was intact to that day. imo

 

[Quester]

Anyone been able to figure out who (name) the un-named psychologist was in the following article (dated 7/25) and whether or not he/she is involved in this case?

Seems so unusual that a reporter didn't properly introduce the name?? OR, is this typical not to name a psychologist in a contentious divorce in a newspaper?

BBM in article quote; I noted the he but could this be wrong? (When did DS get her license?)

Nearly 10 years ago, as [JS] and his first wife were in the middle of a hard-fought divorce, his estranged wife was clear about one thing: The driven business executive may have been a poor husband, but he was a devoted father. The couple have a daughter, 14, and son, 13.

The chairman and chief executive of Medicis Pharmaceutical Corp. spent long hours at work, she said. During their honeymoon he'd asked his wife whether he had made a mistake, according to court records. A psychologist who evaluated the couple during the divorce to help determine custody said he thought [JS] had been defensive and might have had some unresolved anger issues.

But, wrote the psychologist, "It was quite apparent to me that his children are most important to him and he loves them dearly."

...

In the late 1980s, he helped found Medicis — which markets acne and anti-wrinkle treatments around the world — and in 1993 married his first wife, [KJ]. Leading up to their divorce a few years later, the two had a rocky relationship, according to court records.

After the divorce, [JS] married his second wife, [DS].

7/25 http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jonah-shacknai-20110725,0,5072719.story?page=1&obref=obinsite

 

[time]

Inobu ... I don't think they have ruled anyone out, let alone JS. The hospital tapes could have shown several gaps in whereabouts for both DR and JS as far as we know. I'm not sure anyone ever verified DR was there the entire time?

Others related on DR side also include her sister and now her boyfriend and his family.

 

[Inobu]

No matter which way you look at it the evidence keeps point back to a staging scene. Here are two factors which would negates the table being broken in the said manner.

The total weight of AS and RN has to be 280lb + minimum. 170 for AS 110 for RN. Having 280 lb standing weight on that table, then having one leg breaking would have all 280lbs shifting to the broken side, driving that edge of the table to the ground. More damage would have occurred with the applied weight to the table tops edge. The fact that the table was still standing and the location of the leg questions the theory.

Another point to take into consideration (as pointed out is) the location of the table prior to the event. To move a broken table and carry it's leg and place it under the table is highly unlike unless...once again staging is the intent. The tables placement in the images presented does not appear to be its normal placement.

Here is the final point which makes me question the tables positioning.

The leg is broken outward from the right side yet the leg is to the left of the legs normal position. It rest under the table to the left. It contradicts the theory of down weight force breaking the leg. The three remaining legs would prevent lateral movement and the direction of the broken leg and the walkway are aligned which counters the shifting or loss of balance.

Notice the right angled piece as it flares outward to the right. That damage is more inline with the table being dragged from the right and the leg getting caught in the mortice and broken off. The leg being tossed under the table appears to be more likely the case.

Notice that there art no splinters in the wood nor stress fractures.

Inobu

 

[time]

Anyone been able to figure out who (name) the un-named psychologist was in the following article (dated 7/25) and whether or not he/she is involved in this case?

Seems so unusual that a reporter didn't properly introduce the name?? OR, is this typical not to name a psychologist in a contentious divorce in a newspaper?

BBM in article quote; I noted the he but could this be wrong? (When did DS get her license?)

I always wondered where all this came from. Was all this in a court transcript or something? .... weren't most or all of their records sealed or was that just the final settlement? I don't think any psychologist would give out this info themselves, not sure if they would comment on it if it were made public or if perhaps the first wife, KS/KJ, and JS gave the psychologist permission?

 

[Inobu]

Inobu ... I don't think they have ruled anyone out, let alone JS. The hospital tapes could have shown several gaps in whereabouts for both DR and JS as far as we know. I'm not sure anyone ever verified DR was there the entire time?

Others related on DR side also include her sister and now her boyfriend and his family.

I think that LE made that comment "not a suspect " when the lawyer appeared on the scene in late July. Everyone else remains as witnesses.

Inobu

I need to clarify that I'm just going off memory....

"I'm not Jonah's lawyer. I've never spoke with him. As far as I know he's not a suspect of any type," Pfingst said in a statement. One can take creedence in his comment is that he has full disclosure in order to represent a "defendant"

 

[time]

I think that LE made that comment "not a suspect " when the lawyer appeared on the scene in late July. Everyone else remains as witnesses.

Inobu

I need to clarify that I'm just going off memory....

"I'm not Jonah's lawyer. I've never spoke with him. As far as I know he's not a suspect of any type," Pfingst said in a statement. One can take creedence in his comment is that he has full disclosure in order to represent a "defendant"

Well, yeah, no one is a suspect or even a POI according to LE so I guess they can't be ruled out if they were never ruled in! As far as LE has said, DS/DR, JS, and AS are the witnesses we know of.

 

[Inobu]

Well, yeah, no one is a suspect or even a POI according to LE so I guess they can't be ruled out if they were never ruled in! As far as LE has said, DS/DR, JS, and AS are the witnesses we know of.

I think LE is trying not to lead the public to any conclusion in order to protect the case. During the jury selection not one potential juror can say that he or she has any prejudiced because there is no information available.

LE does make comments in an attempt to keep the public informed yet protect against public prejudice. Le keeps them all as witnesses but I think the comment I made referenced a conference where the LE (Brown hair, with mustache) alluded to JS not being a suspect, I think is was a bit of a slip of the tongue.

I can't find the video that supports that so it is an assumption on my part until...

Inobu

 

[time]

http://lubbockonline.com/national-news/2011-07-19/arizona-ceos-son-girlfriend-die-within-week

Shacknai has two children with his first wife, Kimberly, in 1993. The marriage was unhappy from the start, according to court-ordered family study written by psychologist John DiBacco as part of divorce proceedings. The two met while working for rival pharmaceutical companies. Kimberly told a psychologist that their honeymoon was “terrible” because Shacknai questioned whether he had made a mistake in marrying her.

 

[Quester]

Here's an image of the mansion and detached buildings from an angle I hadn't seen before:

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/__Story_Inserts/graphics/__CRIME_JUSTICE/Shacknai_murder_house_300.jpg

 

[Quester]

http://lubbockonline.com/national-news/2011-07-19/arizona-ceos-son-girlfriend-die-within-week

Shacknai has two children with his first wife, Kimberly, in 1993. The marriage was unhappy from the start, according to court-ordered family study written by psychologist John DiBacco as part of divorce proceedings. The two met while working for rival pharmaceutical companies. Kimberly told a psychologist that their honeymoon was “terrible” because Shacknai questioned whether he had made a mistake in marrying her.

Thanks Time! :seeya:

That solves the mystery of the un-named psychologist.

 

[time]

I was wrong, I'm not sure the first divorce records were sealed. The second, yes.

DR1999-000301 Case Type: Domestic Relations
File Date: 1/7/1999

FC2008-008253 This Case is Sealed


From public records from KJ & RS divorce...

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/FamilyCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=DR1999-000301

... this guy is somehow involved, interesting as he owns Southwest Skin Specialists.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Arizona/Scottsdale/howard-j-luber/48371208.aspx

He may have been a neighbor or is now?

http://www.city-data.com/maricopa-county/C/Caballo-Drive-3.html

 

[time]

When I first looked at RN's divorce records, it just seemed mutual and neither even hired attorneys. Not sure though, maybe one of them didn't finish filing the paperwork on time. Maybe it delayed things? That could have been why there were still financial questions and the Credit card thing?

 

[Quester]

I was wrong, I'm not sure the first divorce records were sealed. The second, yes.

DR1999-000301 Case Type: Domestic Relations
File Date: 1/7/1999

FC2008-008253 This Case is Sealed


From public records from KJ & RS divorce...

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/FamilyCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=DR1999-000301

... this guy is somehow involved, interesting as he owns Southwest Skin Specialists.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Arizona/Scottsdale/howard-j-luber/48371208.aspx

He may have been a neighbor or is now?

http://www.city-data.com/maricopa-county/C/Caballo-Drive-3.html

So JS & wife #1 slogged it out in court for just over two years (Jan '99 - Apr '01). Makes that 1999 employment agreement all the more pertinent here.

Anyone know what year JS and DS married?

That long slog sounded similar to what I thought I read early on in this case about JS and DS' marriage termination. Namely, JS & DS divorced in '08 or '09 but child custody was contested and finalized in early '11. [I earlier looked for the link but couldn't find it again.]