Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[time]

So JS & wife #1 slogged it out in court for just over two years (Jan '99 - Apr '01). Makes that 1999 employment agreement all the more pertinent here.

Anyone know what year JS and DS married?

That long slog sounded similar to what I thought I read early on in this case about JS and DS' marriage termination. Namely, JS & DS divorced in '08 or '09 but child custody was contested and finalized in early '11. [I earlier looked for the link but couldn't find it again.]

I can't find when they got married, my recollection was they were married about three years and got married a couple of years after he divorced from KJ (Was that officially 2001?)
Hard to tell when is the end of either marriage though.

And, this article says "She told police she was attacked by her husband's German shepherd, just as she had been several times in the past. She gave police photos from 2006"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/coronado-m...ves-zahaus-personal-trainer/story?id=14124073

If Max was 6 and maybe they were married a year before he was born, then they got married around 2003/2004?

I think the last claim of abuse was in 2009 or 2010?

And, it does sound like both took a while to get finished.

 

[deanna82437]

http://www.scottsdale-az-blog.com/2011/07/20/pv-police-records-unveil-shacknais-stormy-marriage/

The below in bold are from the above link. Regular are my questions:

Jonah and Dina Shacknai were divorced in January after repeated stormy encounters.

Doesn't state a year, but article is from July 2011.

Domestic incidents occurred in September 2008 and January of 2009 according to this article.

Didn't find a marriage date, but saw references to her maiden(?) name of Romano and also referenced as Flores.

Very confusing case and I can see why it's being kept so quiet. Are they planning on having to get a jury? Sure, looks like it !

 

[branwynbreeze]

The leg is broken outward from the right side yet the leg is to the left of the legs normal position. It rest under the table to the left. It contradicts the theory of down weight force breaking the leg. The three remaining legs would prevent lateral movement and the direction of the broken leg and the walkway are aligned which counters the shifting or loss of balance.

Notice the right angled piece as it flares outward to the right. That damage is more inline with the table being dragged from the right and the leg getting caught in the mortice and broken off. The leg being tossed under the table appears to be more likely the case.

Notice that there art no splinters in the wood nor stress fractures.

Inobu[/QUOTE]

Respectfully snipped for space. That is the view of table I wanted to see again. To me, it looks as if a piece is missing from tabletop. If so, think it may be the whitish piece on ground by table.

 

[jwporetenus]

Whether JS is utlimately found to have any involvement in RN's death, I must say that I have NEVER been so impressed with a PR firm as I am with the entity that he has retained. When JS retained his PR firm, the articles about the murder went from 1467 to 45 in TWO DAYS. Prior to PR, if you Googled "Jonah," the browser would fill in his last name for you. After PR, you'd have to type his whole name to even get the 45 news articles.

Those 45 leftover articles were total retreads about poor little MS and about JS's grief (there is no sarcasm in that, I say "poor Max" with total sincerity and ditto for JS's grief. In fact, I think that grief may have driven him to some bad, bad place. As a parent, I could see it).

And so it continues -- a modern miracle as here, in the age of HLN and Casey Anthony, there is silence where the outcry should be. Google JS's name and see how few hits you get. The hits that do appear come in two flavors: (1)JS is THE greatest dad EVER and also a tremendous contributor to good causes and society in general; and (2) suicide most certainly IS being considered as a cause of death for RN, and anyone who says otherwise is quite wrong, thank you very much.

Maybe the first flavor has merit, hope it does. The second flavor is, in my opinion, steaming BS and I'm sure not downing it. But no matter what, reasonable minds can agree that Jonah Shacknai has nerves of steel and the sharpest of survival skills. Even in the darkest moment that a parent can ever know, the guy still has his wits about him and spends the cash where it will do the most good -- keeping the media on a tight leash and totally at heel for him. A public relations triumph.

Poor Rebecca. That woman was absolutely murdered. IMOO, of course.

 

[Charlie09]

Whether JS is utlimately found to have any involvement in RN's death, I must say that I have NEVER been so impressed with a PR firm as I am with the entity that he has retained. When JS retained his PR firm, the articles about the murder went from 1467 to 45 in TWO DAYS. Prior to PR, if you Googled "Jonah," the browser would fill in his last name for you. After PR, you'd have to type his whole name to even get the 45 news articles.

Those 45 leftover articles were total retreads about poor little MS and about JS's grief (there is no sarcasm in that, I say "poor Max" with total sincerity and ditto for JS's grief. In fact, I think that grief may have driven him to some bad, bad place. As a parent, I could see it).

And so it continues -- a modern miracle as here, in the age of HLN and Casey Anthony, there is silence where the outcry should be. Google JS's name and see how few hits you get. The hits that do appear come in two flavors: (1)JS is THE greatest dad EVER and also a tremendous contributor to good causes and society in general; and (2) suicide most certainly IS being considered as a cause of death for RN, and anyone who says otherwise is quite wrong, thank you very much.

Maybe the first flavor has merit, hope it does. The second flavor is, in my opinion, steaming BS and I'm sure not downing it. But no matter what, reasonable minds can agree that Jonah Shacknai has nerves of steel and the sharpest of survival skills. Even in the darkest moment that a parent can ever know, the guy still has his wits about him and spends the cash where it will do the most good -- keeping the media on a tight leash and totally at heel for him. A public relations triumph.

Poor Rebecca. That woman was absolutely murdered. IMOO, of course.

I get

About 518,000 results (0.19 seconds)

when I google, and the name still pops up after S

 

[sdcali]

yup as well the leg laying under the table where it stood the day RN was found, might show that it was intact to that day. imo

Something that has been bothering me is this. Why, if AS stood on the table to cut RN down, and the table leg broke, is the table still upright? Who righted it? It seems to me that AS would not have the presence of mind to set it upright in light of the tragic circumstances.

And if the table leg broke under the weight of AS cutting RN down, would they both have tumbled onto the brick walkway, getting scraped and bumped in the process?

Did AS have such scrapes? Did RN? And if so, were they fresh and were they likely to have been caused by such a fall or was that story made up to cover defensive wounds caused by RN fighting for her life?

Running with that theory, perhaps AS did NOT, in fact, use the table to cut her down. But going with that story, instead he held the edge of the table and kicked the leg and broke it?

Does anyone else have any theories to why the table was standing, if indeed it was broken under the weight of AS cutting down RN?

 

[Quester]

Whether JS is utlimately found to have any involvement in RN's death, I must say that I have NEVER been so impressed with a PR firm as I am with the entity that he has retained. When JS retained his PR firm, the articles about the murder went from 1467 to 45 in TWO DAYS. Prior to PR, if you Googled "Jonah," the browser would fill in his last name for you. After PR, you'd have to type his whole name to even get the 45 news articles.

Those 45 leftover articles were total retreads about poor little MS and about JS's grief (there is no sarcasm in that, I say "poor Max" with total sincerity and ditto for JS's grief. In fact, I think that grief may have driven him to some bad, bad place. As a parent, I could see it).

And so it continues -- a modern miracle as here, in the age of HLN and Casey Anthony, there is silence where the outcry should be. Google JS's name and see how few hits you get. The hits that do appear come in two flavors: (1)JS is THE greatest dad EVER and also a tremendous contributor to good causes and society in general; and (2) suicide most certainly IS being considered as a cause of death for RN, and anyone who says otherwise is quite wrong, thank you very much.

Maybe the first flavor has merit, hope it does. The second flavor is, in my opinion, steaming BS and I'm sure not downing it. But no matter what, reasonable minds can agree that Jonah Shacknai has nerves of steel and the sharpest of survival skills. Even in the darkest moment that a parent can ever know, the guy still has his wits about him and spends the cash where it will do the most good -- keeping the media on a tight leash and totally at heel for him. A public relations triumph.

Poor Rebecca. That woman was absolutely murdered. IMOO, of course.

Wow! Great first post! Welcome jwporetenus! :seeya:

We all now know which PR firm to call if we are ever in a sticky situation!

 

[scorekeeper]

jwporetenus,

:fireworks2: :greetings: :welcome:

:aktion: :wave: :wagon:

great post!

score

 

[Quester]

Something that has been bothering me is this. Why, if AS stood on the table to cut RN down, and the table leg broke, is the table still upright? Who righted it? It seems to me that AS would not have the presence of mind to set it upright in light of the tragic circumstances.

And if the table leg broke under the weight of AS cutting RN down, would they both have tumbled onto the brick walkway, getting scraped and bumped in the process?

Did AS have such scrapes? Did RN? And if so, were they fresh and were they likely to have been caused by such a fall or was that story made up to cover defensive wounds caused by RN fighting for her life?

Running with that theory, perhaps AS did NOT, in fact, use the table to cut her down. But going with that story, instead he held the edge of the table and kicked the leg and broke it?

Does anyone else have any theories to why the table was standing, if indeed it was broken under the weight of AS cutting down RN?

BBM - If the other leg on the brick path (the one that would have been closest to RN) had broken rather than the one that did, I believe the table would have tipped with the top touching the ground and anyone on it would have tumbled to the ground.

As it is, the table may not have tipped because AS could have been solidly positioned on the table top between the triangle made from the remaining 3 legs. Therefore, the table may have stayed upright throughout the cut down and dismount.

I think it all depends on the positioning of the table in relation to where RN was hanging.

I do wonder if there was some wobbling prior to dismount, as a result of the broken leg, that would have caused AS to twist about which could help to explain the trailing cords positioning issue that was discussed in previous threads??

 

[Paladine]

Whether JS is utlimately found to have any involvement in RN's death, I must say that I have NEVER been so impressed with a PR firm as I am with the entity that he has retained. When JS retained his PR firm, the articles about the murder went from 1467 to 45 in TWO DAYS. Prior to PR, if you Googled "Jonah," the browser would fill in his last name for you. After PR, you'd have to type his whole name to even get the 45 news articles.

Those 45 leftover articles were total retreads about poor little MS and about JS's grief (there is no sarcasm in that, I say "poor Max" with total sincerity and ditto for JS's grief. In fact, I think that grief may have driven him to some bad, bad place. As a parent, I could see it).

And so it continues -- a modern miracle as here, in the age of HLN and Casey Anthony, there is silence where the outcry should be. Google JS's name and see how few hits you get. The hits that do appear come in two flavors: (1)JS is THE greatest dad EVER and also a tremendous contributor to good causes and society in general; and (2) suicide most certainly IS being considered as a cause of death for RN, and anyone who says otherwise is quite wrong, thank you very much.

Maybe the first flavor has merit, hope it does. The second flavor is, in my opinion, steaming BS and I'm sure not downing it. But no matter what, reasonable minds can agree that Jonah Shacknai has nerves of steel and the sharpest of survival skills. Even in the darkest moment that a parent can ever know, the guy still has his wits about him and spends the cash where it will do the most good -- keeping the media on a tight leash and totally at heel for him. A public relations triumph.

Poor Rebecca. That woman was absolutely murdered. IMOO, of course.

Welcome And what a post: :clap:

I've said the same; it's frustrating. Is this America or Iran? What's up with the 'free press'? Sure...'FREE' to the highest bidder, imo. And the public? We are merely pawns to be played as they see fit. They feed us what they want us to know , so we'll think what they want us to think...imo.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

I get when I google, and the name still pops up after S

oh yeah...plenty of older stories, blogs, speculation...not much real solid, investigative, reporting....imo. I think that was the point.

I'm hoping the media is simply respecting the investigation but once the reports are out, that they will go over them with a fine-toothed comb...as we will here.

So...I still harbor a little faith in the media, I guess...I hope it bears out to be warranted.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Same link/page as noted previously, but some new photos, if anyone wants to watch it.

Made me very, very sad to watch this.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

 

[Paladine]

Same link/page as noted previously, but some new photos, if anyone wants to watch it.

Made me very, very sad to watch this.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

I watched it, thanks. I couldn't watch the 1st go round cause my flash wasn't updated....it was sad...and beautiful...but the 2 interposed images it ended with (or my puter froze that way??) was haunting, to me...

The picw/an older Woman and Man, my assumption is her father and mother...well, that one, w/RZ head against that older man's? The feeling ran through my heart, she would never disgrace him by having her body found that way....or any of her family. What woman in her right mind, would? I've seen no evidence RZ was not in her 'right mind', grievng, yes...but most grieving people don't end up that way, imo....it takes some twisted self hate to leave oneself in that condition, imo...

IMO

And in those pictures...I see love...family....excitement for life and its wonders...and, most importantly...a light in her eyes. (you might see something different)

I do not know this woman...but I feel she did not do this to herself...and I feel it strongly.

I hope the police give this case a good going over...I just need to feel she was given a fair shake. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong...and I'll feel sad she could have hated herself that much....but...we'll see, one day closer, peeps!

Night all...I gotta sleep.

 

[4Jacy]

There are factors that many posters have touch on what will set the tone for the prosecution. If LE finds actions that suggest a premeditated acts then you will see a 1st Degree count. If the actions prove to be incidental then a manslaughter count may be pressed. It all depends on what the evidence and actions points too. Which may include why some guests left the house before Tuesday night and why some remained.

Recalling the direct verbiage used by LE. They stated that she had bindings on her and used the word suspended not hanged. The types of bindings becomes significant in that it dictates a premeditate action verses a reactive action.

Asking someone or going yourself to home depot to buy duct tape, rope and plastic then cranking up an stereo or what ever and going insane most likely won't cut it. Picking up items that are lying around in the room may be more so acceptable.

I think the orange extension cord or tie down is just part of the prior event and had nothing to do with the appeared staged hanging.

According to LE JS is out of it. I think they confirmed that after the request for the hospital tapes were made he had a alibi.

The only way that MS death will be connected to RN death is if they (LE) gets a confession other than that the two deaths are not related. If they are not related then no temporary insanity plea can be made. If a temporary insanity plea is made then the deaths are related but LE will need a confession. Only the perpetrator can link the 2 deaths together anything else is only an assumption on our part.

The bottom line to this case is how well the investigation and forensic team did their job.[B][/B]

Inobu

BBM

Glad to see you posting again Inobu. However, the above bolded is, to me, not the bottom line. To me the bottom line is not "how well the investigation and forensic team did their job." but how much $$$$$$$$$ and power is involved. People, no matter what there position, can be bought and sold, it's done every day.

 

[4Jacy]

'nite all. xoxo :seeya: sweet, sweet dreams ~~~~

 

[Inobu]

Something that has been bothering me is this. Why, if AS stood on the table to cut RN down, and the table leg broke, is the table still upright? Who righted it? It seems to me that AS would not have the presence of mind to set it upright in light of the tragic circumstances.

And if the table leg broke under the weight of AS cutting RN down, would they both have tumbled onto the brick walkway, getting scraped and bumped in the process?

Did AS have such scrapes? Did RN? And if so, were they fresh and were they likely to have been caused by such a fall or was that story made up to cover defensive wounds caused by RN fighting for her life?

Running with that theory, perhaps AS did NOT, in fact, use the table to cut her down. But going with that story, instead he held the edge of the table and kicked the leg and broke it?

Does anyone else have any theories to why the table was standing, if indeed it was broken under the weight of AS cutting down RN?

There are so many question to that table that does not correlate to the implied event. As you mentioned the tables table should not have remained an upright position after losing its leg. Based on the direction of force (outward) the leg should have been swept away from the table not under it.

For the leg to end up in the opposite direction of force it goes against physics.

To answer your point ".................., perhaps AS did NOT, in fact, use the table to cut her down. But going with that story, instead he held the edge of the table and kicked the leg and broke it?"

Still the legs break direction is opposite of its rest position. The kicking action would have been from the inside outward.

Another note

I wonder if the investigator took notice to AS physical condition. If he was rested or looked as if he had not slept? There are so many answers to questions that could really narrow the leads down.

Inobu

 

[Inobu]

BBM

Glad to see you posting again Inobu. However, the above bolded is, to me, not the bottom line. To me the bottom line is not "how well the investigation and forensic team did their job." but how much $$$$$$$$$ and power is involved. People, no matter what there position, can be bought and sold, it's done every day.

Thanks, I had the same thought/fear too but this situation is different in that Coronado is not his main residence. His influence may not be as effective as it would be in his home state. His role in Coronado is done. After this case is wrapped up no politician will come close to him for fear of public opinion/perception. The city's image is tarnished by this event and they don"t care too much for that.

It was a good move to bring the SDSD into the investigation as they are outside the circle of influence per say.

Inobu

 

[deanna82437]

Same link/page as noted previously, but some new photos, if anyone wants to watch it.

Made me very, very sad to watch this.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

Thank you, very sad, but beautifully done.

 

[deanna82437]

I watched it, thanks. I couldn't watch the 1st go round cause my flash wasn't updated....it was sad...and beautiful...but the 2 interposed images it ended with (or my puter froze that way??) was haunting, to me...

The picw/an older Woman and Man, my assumption is her father and mother...well, that one, w/RZ head against that older man's? The feeling ran through my heart, she would never disgrace him by having her body found that way....or any of her family. What woman in her right mind, would? I've seen no evidence RZ was not in her 'right mind', grievng, yes...but most grieving people don't end up that way, imo....it takes some twisted self hate to leave oneself in that condition, imo...

IMO

And in those pictures...I see love...family....excitement for life and its wonders...and, most importantly...a light in her eyes. (you might see something different)

I do not know this woman...but I feel she did not do this to herself...and I feel it strongly.

I hope the police give this case a good going over...I just need to feel she was given a fair shake. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong...and I'll feel sad she could have hated herself that much....but...we'll see, one day closer, peeps!

Night all...I gotta sleep.

Thank You! I so agree with all you say and had the very same feelings while watching. The light in her eyes showing her expectations of the wonderful life ahead of her. Such a waste of a beautiful and obviously much loved lady. Very sad and hopefully justice will be done in this case. Thank you again ..

 

[justice be served]

Thank you kindly jw -- I could not have said it better and so I will leave it at that!! I am happy you have joined and look forward to your next lucid post with the terrific pragmatic perspective that you have shown.

Whether JS is utlimately found to have any involvement in RN's death, I must say that I have NEVER been so impressed with a PR firm as I am with the entity that he has retained. When JS retained his PR firm, the articles about the murder went from 1467 to 45 in TWO DAYS. Prior to PR, if you Googled "Jonah," the browser would fill in his last name for you. After PR, you'd have to type his whole name to even get the 45 news articles.

Those 45 leftover articles were total retreads about poor little MS and about JS's grief (there is no sarcasm in that, I say "poor Max" with total sincerity and ditto for JS's grief. In fact, I think that grief may have driven him to some bad, bad place. As a parent, I could see it).

And so it continues -- a modern miracle as here, in the age of HLN and Casey Anthony, there is silence where the outcry should be. Google JS's name and see how few hits you get. The hits that do appear come in two flavors: (1)JS is THE greatest dad EVER and also a tremendous contributor to good causes and society in general; and (2) suicide most certainly IS being considered as a cause of death for RN, and anyone who says otherwise is quite wrong, thank you very much.

Maybe the first flavor has merit, hope it does. The second flavor is, in my opinion, steaming BS and I'm sure not downing it. But no matter what, reasonable minds can agree that Jonah Shacknai has nerves of steel and the sharpest of survival skills. Even in the darkest moment that a parent can ever know, the guy still has his wits about him and spends the cash where it will do the most good -- keeping the media on a tight leash and totally at heel for him. A public relations triumph.

Poor Rebecca. That woman was absolutely murdered. IMOO, of course.