Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

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  • #161
The field certainly is getting crowded. Thank you to everyone who brings ideas to this table. I was on the suicide side of the fence, now I'm just getting off the fence, period. I only hope that this is solved and JN's family gets some peace and closure.

From what I have read here, the following scenarios may apply:
1) angry neighbor upset about the approved architectural restoration to be done on the mansion
2) JS or ex-wife taking revenge for their son's tragic accident on JN's watch
3) Jealous ex-husband
4) Pay back by Medicis to force JS out
5) Strategic strike by takeover corporation
6) Stranger/intruder

All I know is I will never be enriching anyone connected with this. I don't have acne and I like my wrinkles; I've earned every one of them.

"This is mess." -- Judge Belvin Perry
 
  • #162
Welcome,jwporetenus! Glad to have another person's perspective. Where are you getting the stock information from? I found it interesting. I was unable to locate " a takeover". The investigation has been ongoing. tia

I did read and post some info on the proposed takeover. It was a Canadian company named Valeant. They have been doing takeovers of other co's for awhile now....google the company name, they are in growth mode. I, personally, think this angle is a red herring...or reasonable doubt? ;)

Valeant Pharmaceuticals International Inc. has approached Medicis Pharmaceutical Corp. about a possible sale to Valeant, people familiar with the matter said.

The approach comes amid an investigation into what authorities described as the unusual death of the girlfriend of Medicis's founder and chief executive, Jonah Shacknai. Since the girlfriend's death at Mr. Shacknai's home in July, Medicis shares have been underperforming the broader market, leaving the company vulnerable to a takeover approach, said people familiar with the matter.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904480904576496293954276376.html

On another note....I found this company by learning a friend works for them, lol...you can buy almost anything, or anything, these days, it seems...(wonder if JS has this service, as well?)

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  • #163
I think you could look at this both ways in regards to the stocks, Medicis spending 200 mil in stock repurchasing, lower stock prices more shares or Valeant lowering share prices in midst of takeover bid. Now I would have thought those conspiracies possible as big pharma is nasty business, except for the death of MS. I think that is where the conspiracy fails. imo this was personal.
 
  • #164
Another possible theory, maybe they hired the wrong interior decorator. There is only so much an upscale neighborhood can take.
 
  • #165
Re:
I think you could look at this both ways in regards to the stocks, Medicis spending 200 mil in stock repurchasing, lower stock prices more shares or Valeant lowering share prices in midst of takeover bid. Now I would have thought those conspiracies possible as big pharma is nasty business, except for the death of MS. I think that is where the conspiracy fails. imo this was personal.

I agree- one thought though-- i dont think that a 'personal' killing nixes the Medici angle. Medicis IS Shacknai. He built it -- it's literally his (business) baby.
IME, guys like that dont draw a line between personal a d professional-- its ALL personal. Sometimes they take business intrigue MORE personally if their ego is that invested in what tbey created. If that were true here, the personal and professional may be merged here.

But it's TOTAL spec on my part!! Could be that Medici has been in takeover sights all along and JS has been happily phasing out and the deaths are totally unrelated.
 
  • #166
Another possible theory, maybe they hired the wrong interior decorator. There is only so much an upscale neighborhood can take.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

You could be on to something with the interior decorator theory!

Did you see that purple dinning room table? :eek:
 
  • #167
Thanks for the warm welcome, all! Websleuths was my news source for the Casey Anthony slog, you guys kept the commentary and insights hot. I finally had to jump in there with you!

It's early, early days in this sad case, but my preliminary prediction is that this will be another JonBenet unsolved case. Despite what I insinuated about JS's grief carrying him to a dark place, my first instinct was that there was something else going on-- someone out to get JS by killing MS and then RN. If so, we will never find out what happened. Professional.

But of course, I can see the alternative scenarios.

Alternative one -- revenge kill. If RN was, or was perceived to be, at fault for MS's death (more accurately, his brain-death at that point), then all bets could have been off. JS or DS could have flipped out. Or maybe they both flipped together. My ex and I stand united against all foes when it comes to our boys -- maybe it's easier for us since our split didnt involve broken fingers, attacking dogs, etc., but maybe JS and DS let bygones be that and united against a common enemy. JS and DS released a joint statement regarding MS's death, and JS's statement addressing the stories about their domestic violence was written to protect DS, too. This was probably perfectly normal and correct -- if there is ever a time for letting go of petty fights and coming together, it's when you and your ex have lost your child. But perhaps it's because they have, to some degree, both been complicit, even if only to keep silence for the other. One point seems clear to me in the revenge-kill scenario --if it was JS, DS or both, they did NOT do it themselves. NOBODY would leave their breathing child for any reason, knowing he was about to be gone forever. Murder could wait-- unless they had someone to do it for them.


Other alternative, and sadly, perhaps the most likely -- blaming it on suicide. Money can buy a lot, and I think JS has MORE influence outside of Coronado than inside it. Big Pharm makes the Mafia look like a soccer team (a really rough soccer team, but still).

I respect all other opinions here for sure, and what do I know anyway(especially given the total news blackout)? But I will stake it all right now that Rebecca has no more committed suicide than I have. Murder, pure and simple -- but only MOO.

BBM What a thoughtful post! Regarding what your comment that I bolded, I have to agree with you on this. I also think that it makes the tobacco companies look like amateurs. :fence: I'm just not sure yet whether I can give up on the ex-wife & mother rage theory yet. IMHO.
 
  • #168
Don't throw tomatos...please! But, could JS have found out (recently) that MS was not his son? I know this is completely far fetched, but I want to throw out everything.

Was RN wearing her rings when her body was "discovered?" I take all jewelry off, with the exception of my rings, before I go to bed. Where are the rings, other jewelry, and personal items belonging to RN? Were they returned to her family?

Was it really RN's sister at the mansion and not GS's daughter. And how did that get all confused?

Did the boys on the roof see or hear anything the night before RN was murdered?

Why is it taking so long for the forensics and tox reports to be revealed?

txs
 
  • #169
i am going out of town overnight.....can someone PM if something breaks? I will be back tomorrow afternoon......THANKS
 
  • #170
Re:
I think you could look at this both ways in regards to the stocks, Medicis spending 200 mil in stock repurchasing, lower stock prices more shares or Valeant lowering share prices in midst of takeover bid. Now I would have thought those conspiracies possible as big pharma is nasty business, except for the death of MS. I think that is where the conspiracy fails. imo this was personal.

I agree- one thought though-- i dont think that a 'personal' killing nixes the Medici angle. Medicis IS Shacknai. He built it -- it's literally his (business) baby.
IME, guys like that dont draw a line between personal a d professional-- its ALL personal. Sometimes they take business intrigue MORE personally if their ego is that invested in what tbey created. If that were true here, the personal and professional may be merged here.

But it's TOTAL spec on my part!! Could be that Medici has been in takeover sights all along and JS has been happily phasing out and the deaths are totally unrelated.
This is a quote from the president of Medicis at the end of June concerning in regards to the Valeant possible purchase:

During a conference call in late June, company President Mark Prygocki was asked if he thought the company would consider acquisition offers.

"We see ourselves as an acquirer, acquirer of technology, a consolidator amongst existing assets that are out in the dermatology market that are for sale, as we speak. So, we see ourselves as being a buyer," he said.

http://www.dddmag.com/news-Valeant-May-Buy-Medicis-8911.aspx

so it seems that they weren't looking for a sale it would have to be a takeover imo.
 
  • #171
Does anyone have a link to the video when the news was asking the guy questions at DS house? Thanks
 
  • #172
i am going out of town overnight.....can someone PM if something breaks? I will be back tomorrow afternoon......THANKS


Oh scorekeeper I am worried. Do you think it is a WebSleuths deprogramming intervention? I have been getting some long serious looks every time I refresh the page. Be careful and come back to us. I think they got Ocean. :abduction:
 
  • #173
Sorry if this is a moot point/silly question, but this topic is hard to keep up with! Every time I come back there's another thread started...which is great, but alas, confusing.

I don't buy the suicide theory. But the focus on the table leg bothers me. The person who says he cut her down...did he state or has it be specifically stated that he used the table? I don't know why it is bothering me. I think it would be easier to add some puzzle pieces if it was known for sure where she was cut down from. In the heat of the moment I see standing on the table to get to her, but I assume this is the rope that is splayed out behind her in the aerial photos of the body and it seems pretty long. You're not going to get that high and not higher than a hanging body that kicked out a table at the same level. I think my personal first reaction would've been to run inside (if unlocked?) and cut down from the balcony, and the length of the rope seems to suggest that. I just don't know how comfortable I am with the idea that this table is somehow integral and it makes me anxious that something else is being overlooked. If she used it as a platform, I don't see it being broken. If it's suicide, she's going to kick it out or jump when she's ready and being as "put together" as she seems to have been, I imagine her balancing her weight, steadying herself and making sure it held, until it was "time." Unless there was some serious torture "stand on your toes until the table breaks and see if you can live" going on... It's just all so meticulous, suicide or murder, why use a table and not grab a chair or a step ladder? You put that much thought into it to begin with...

It could be a hose or something. It's hard to tell.
 
  • #174
Oh scorekeeper I am worried. Do you think it is a WebSleuths deprogramming intervention? I have been getting some long serious looks every time I refresh the page. Be careful and come back to us. I think they got Ocean. :abduction:

RBBM

So Hilarious! :floorlaugh: Did she mention the 'resort' she was being taken to?? Maybe we can sleuth it out and find her, returning her safely to her 'puter and our forum...;)

Thanks...:)

(this post in no way encourages the sleuthing of members...let alone those abducted by aliens aka spouses...proceed with caution. ;) )

ETA: You ARE missed, Ocean... :hug:
 
  • #175
RBBM

So Hilarious! :floorlaugh: Did she mention the 'resort' she was being taken to?? Maybe we can sleuth it out and find her, returning her safely to her 'puter and our forum...;)

Thanks...:)

(this post in no way encourages the sleuthing of members...let alone those abducted by aliens aka spouses...proceed with caution. ;) )

Oh yes, the fact she was packing alone worried me. Everyone knows on you anniversary weekend all you take is a toothbrush,wine opener and change of underwear. Paging Ocean...to the white curtesy phone in the resort lobby...we're sending scorekeeper to bring you back.:escape:
 
  • #176
Oh yes, the fact she was packing alone worried me. Everyone knows on you anniversary weekend all you take is a toothbrush,wine opener and change of underwear. Paging Ocean...to the white curtesy phone in the resort lobby...we're sending scorekeeper to bring you back.:escape:

LOL! THIS is good :)...:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Bet Ocean has a good laugh when she returns...:)
 
  • #177
BBM What a thoughtful post! Regarding what your comment that I bolded, I have to agree with you on this. I also think that it makes the tobacco companies look like amateurs. :fence: I'm just not sure yet whether I can give up on the ex-wife & mother rage theory yet. IMHO.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/15/valeant-idINL3E7IF25X20110715

TORONTO, July 15 (Reuters) - Valeant Pharmaceuticals International Inc (VRX.TO) (VRX.N) wants to become the world's biggest player in the skincare sector in about five years, its top executive told Reuters on Friday.
The company has been signaling its intent with a string of recent mid-sized acquisitions in the highly fragmented but lucrative dermatology sector.

The specialty drugmaker said on Friday it will pay $345 million to buy the skincare unit of Johnson & Johnson-owned (JNJ.N) Janssen Pharmaceuticals.

The news sent the Valeant's shares up 4 percent.

It was the second such deal for Valeant this week. The other was its planned $425 million acquisition of Sanofi's (SASY.PA) Dermik skincare business. Both deals were with large pharmaceutical companies eager to offload non-core assets.

Valeant, which has about 5 percent of the $20 billion market, plans to continue making deals in dermatology as it looks to reach the top faster, Chief Executive Michael Pearson said. When the recent deals close, the company will record about $1 billion in revenue from dermatology.

"We're ambitious in many ways. We just want to be a lot bigger than anyone else," he said in an interview.
While there is significant competition in the dermatology arena, Valeant will be facing smaller rivals, rather than the pharmaceutical giants, which have been beating a hasty retreat from the sector as they look to narrow their focus.

"It's like we're in the lightweight division and we're fighting other lightweights. We're not fighting heavyweights," Pearson said. "It fits us from a scale standpoint."

Pearson's philosophy has been to stay clear of the so-called Big Pharma companies, but engage in partnerships with them instead.

Valeant's main rivals in the industry are Medicis Pharmaceuticals (MRX.N), Allergan Inc (AGN.N), as well as Stiefel Laboratories Inc, which is a unit of GlaxoSmithKline (GSK.L).

Since it dropped a $5.7 billion bid for U.S. drugmaker Cephalon Inc (CEPH.O) in May, there has been speculation that Valeant would go after other large targets. In the same month, the company said it would buy Lithuanian group Sanitas (SAN1L.VL) for about 314 million euros ($443 million).

The company is still considering larger takeovers and can pull off a $6 billion deal, Pearson said.

"Europe is probably lower in the list right now" because of the two recent sizable deals there, Pearson said. The company could look at regions such as Latin America and Australia, he added.

Mississauga, Ontario-based Valeant, which focuses on the neurology and dermatology markets, expects Friday's deal to add to its earnings in 2011.

"They're out there buying assets for cash flow and building a broad dermatology presence. It seems like a pretty sound strategy to me," Stifel Nicolaus analyst Annabel Samimy said.

"The assets that they're buying are not necessarily the ones that require a significant amount of promotion or expense behind them," she added.

Revenue for the Janssen product portfolio, which includes prescription brands Retin-A Micro, Ertaczo and Renova, was about $150 million in 2010.

Valeant's shares were up 4 percent at C$52.47 in Toronto, and up 4.4 percent at $54.94 in New York.

($1=$0.95 Canadian) (Reporting by S. John Tilak in Toronto, additional reporting by Savio D'Souza in Bangalore)
 
  • #178
Sorry if this is a moot point/silly question, but this topic is hard to keep up with! Every time I come back there's another thread started...which is great, but alas, confusing.

I don't buy the suicide theory. But the focus on the table leg bothers me. The person who says he cut her down...did he state or has it be specifically stated that he used the table? I don't know why it is bothering me. I think it would be easier to add some puzzle pieces if it was known for sure where she was cut down from. In the heat of the moment I see standing on the table to get to her, but I assume this is the rope that is splayed out behind her in the aerial photos of the body and it seems pretty long. You're not going to get that high and not higher than a hanging body that kicked out a table at the same level. I think my personal first reaction would've been to run inside (if unlocked?) and cut down from the balcony, and the length of the rope seems to suggest that. I just don't know how comfortable I am with the idea that this table is somehow integral and it makes me anxious that something else is being overlooked. If she used it as a platform, I don't see it being broken. If it's suicide, she's going to kick it out or jump when she's ready and being as "put together" as she seems to have been, I imagine her balancing her weight, steadying herself and making sure it held, until it was "time." Unless there was some serious torture "stand on your toes until the table breaks and see if you can live" going on... It's just all so meticulous, suicide or murder, why use a table and not grab a chair or a step ladder? You put that much thought into it to begin with...

It could be a hose or something. It's hard to tell.

Hi girlinblue! :seeya:

The following are the facts of the case for Wed morning as far as we know to date:

AS (JS' brother) said he discovered RN hanging from the balcony in the courtyard Wed am.
AS said he "cut her down" and administered some form of aid.
AS called 911 (6:48 am Wed) and said there was a woman who appeared deceased (or something to that effect).
Police and paramedics responded, administered some aid and declared RN dead.
LE said she was found with wrists bound and ankles bound but not hogtied.
LE said "makeshift" noose was used; material-rope.
LE said they didn't know what noose rope was attached to "inside" and in some reports gave the impression that no remaining noose rope was visible from the balcony area.
LE would not disclose bindings material although orange electrical cord has been widely reported and something that matches that description is visible in photos.


Unless I've forgotten something, everything else about that morning, including use of the table, is speculation.

Regarding AS cutting her down: If you came upon someone in that situation you would have to make a quick decision: 1) cut her down, or 2) leave her as is. If you chose (1), time is of the essence if there's to be any hope of survival. Anything you do beyond beeline and cut her down would take precious time and risk possible survival. That beeline concept in this case would reasonably include the use of the table. Any other approaches toward RN with other tools or access points would take precious time. (Example: go to garage for ladder; go in house and upstairs to bedroom balcony; etc.)

Hope this helps to answer some of your questions.
 
  • #179
I am really beginning to think that is IS some sort of far-fetched movie-plot type of conspiracy. There are just so many VERY UNUSUAL elements to this case I just can't envision a simple explanation to it all.

I am troubled that we still do not know who the other female was when EMS came to the home for MS. I understand protecting the privacy of children, but surely we would have heard who it was if it was not an important part of this case. Since somehow her identity has been fiercely protected, it must have a bearing on the BIG PICTURE.

And another thing that is really starting to bother me - the presence and then departure of AS. It would be VERY helpful to know when he came to Coronado, when he left, whether he was at the funeral of MS, and where he is now. AS was apparently the only other person at the home at the time of RN's very suspicious death, and yet he seems to have very easily gone back to his life...be it Memphis or on a tugboat somewhere. Something just feels wrong to me about him, and the 'pass' he seems to have gotten from LE.

ALL of the above my own musings of course....
 
  • #180
Sorry if this is a moot point/silly question, but this topic is hard to keep up with! Every time I come back there's another thread started...which is great, but alas, confusing.

I don't buy the suicide theory. But the focus on the table leg bothers me. The person who says he cut her down...did he state or has it be specifically stated that he used the table? I don't know why it is bothering me. I think it would be easier to add some puzzle pieces if it was known for sure where she was cut down from. In the heat of the moment I see standing on the table to get to her, but I assume this is the rope that is splayed out behind her in the aerial photos of the body and it seems pretty long. You're not going to get that high and not higher than a hanging body that kicked out a table at the same level. I think my personal first reaction would've been to run inside (if unlocked?) and cut down from the balcony, and the length of the rope seems to suggest that. I just don't know how comfortable I am with the idea that this table is somehow integral and it makes me anxious that something else is being overlooked. If she used it as a platform, I don't see it being broken. If it's suicide, she's going to kick it out or jump when she's ready and being as "put together" as she seems to have been, I imagine her balancing her weight, steadying herself and making sure it held, until it was "time." Unless there was some serious torture "stand on your toes until the table breaks and see if you can live" going on... It's just all so meticulous, suicide or murder, why use a table and not grab a chair or a step ladder? You put that much thought into it to begin with...

It could be a hose or something. It's hard to tell.

It is the number of devices in the scene that is giving your trouble. Suicides are deliberate acts. Many occur in confine or private/concealed spaces depending on the driving circumstances. Public suicides are normally people trying to make their issue public.

There are just too many inconsistent variable that makes the scene unrealistic.

Lets step back through the event.

  1. Start
  2. RN find bindings
  3. RN finds rope
  4. RN finds orange cord
  5. RN Disrobes leaving blue article around neck.
  6. RN Places bindings on hand and feet
  7. RN carries orange cord and rope to yard
  8. RN attaches rope above balcony through railing
  9. RN Move table to walkway
  10. RN Breaks legs on table
  11. RN climbs on table 3 legged table
  12. RN places Noose around neck
  13. RN placing orange cord around feet
  14. RN placing orange cord on hands
  15. RN steps through hand allowing hand to be in back of her while standing on table
  16. RN leaping from table
  17. RN hangs herself
  18. AS waking up.
  19. AS finds RN hanging
  20. AS calls 911
  21. AS cutting RN down
  22. AS Placing RN in the grass
  23. RN lying in the grass.
  24. EMT arrives
  25. End

Step 7 negates Step 6 Why have the bindings when you have orange cord to tie the hands and feet.

The insertion of the table can vary between RN usage verses AS usage but its placement by either party negates the others action.

If RN used the table then her height would have to be lower than the table due to the slack needed for movement while tying herself. Her jump would have toppled the table.
If AS used the table how did RN achieved the height needed to hang herself. If RH did not use the table then how did the leg break and end up under the table.
If RN did not use the table then AS would not need the table to cut her down so why is the table in the middle of the walkway with a broken leg.


Just does not add up.

Inobu

If I left anything out feel free to clear it up.
 
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