Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[arielilane]

Don't throw tomatos...please! But, could JS have found out (recently) that MS was not his son? I know this is completely far fetched, but I want to throw out everything.

Was RN wearing her rings when her body was "discovered?" I take all jewelry off, with the exception of my rings, before I go to bed. Where are the rings, other jewelry, and personal items belonging to RN? Were they returned to her family?

Was it really RN's sister at the mansion and not GS's daughter. And how did that get all confused?

Did the boys on the roof see or hear anything the night before RN was murdered?

Why is it taking so long for the forensics and tox reports to be revealed?

txs

I'm glad you brought up the question about it being RZ's sister or GS being at the manison at the time of the accident. I have read/heard both and I remain unclear if it was RZ's younger sister or if it was GS there the day of Max's fall or if both of them were there. Who knows?

 

[arielilane]

Yes, I don't see any connection. The usual business practice. They (Valeant) want the monopoly. Although, I don't think the deaths are related to Medicis. Other than JS being the owner. However, I do think Max's unfortunate accident and RZ's incident are related. We will hopefully find out this week.

 

[Inobu]

Another week or so and we will be accusing each other. (as I cut my eyes at arielilane hopping back on the fence) :fence:

 

[defense101]

Another week or so and we will be accusing each other. (as I cut my eyes at arielilane hopping back on the fence) :fence:

lol we could all be called witnesses by LE. I think we all may be in for a surprise when LE does finally either make a statement (suicide) or arrest someone because we have all gone around in circles a few times. I have my suspects rated with JS DS and NN at the top but still going in circles. Each time someone mentions something that gets my brain going I'm back looking at someone else. I have what I consider to be my main poi and will have to see what comes of it. I think telephone records can be key here as well as forensics, whose fingerprints and dna are there that shouldn't be in the house. The table in the back courtyard leads you one way then another. Is it staged or was it used, if it was used why is it in the position it is? It shouldn't be standing up especially considering where the broken leg is, it would be the exact corner of the table that AS would need to stand on in order to cut RN down. I'm very confused right now, I hope we hear something soon.

Inobu: I didn't read your post carefully enough, I am now seeing what you mean about the table with height, so AS wouldn't necessarily have used the table if RN committed suicide, the only way he would need to use the table is if she was murdered? Am I reading that right?

 

[Bonepile]

and the "boys on the roof" ...

How young were they? Did they have a camera? Are there any photos, and if so who might have them? Were they interviewed? If old enough did they Tweet to their friends? Or facebook? Were they responsible for the loud music? Do they even exist?

 

[Lawgirl]

lol we could all be called witnesses by LE. I think we all may be in for a surprise when LE does finally either make a statement (suicide) or arrest someone because we have all gone around in circles a few times. I have my suspects rated with JS DS and NN at the top but still going in circles. Each time someone mentions something that gets my brain going I'm back looking at someone else. I have what I consider to be my main poi and will have to see what comes of it. I think telephone records can be key here as well as forensics, whose fingerprints and dna are there that shouldn't be in the house. The table in the back courtyard leads you one way then another. Is it staged or was it used, if it was used why is it in the position it is? It shouldn't be standing up especially considering where the broken leg is, it would be the exact corner of the table that AS would need to stand on in order to cut RN down. I'm very confused right now, I hope we hear something soon.

Suppose they deem it to be a homicide, but cannot name a suspect -- then what? Just curious... the case just stays open until and unresolved until eternity?

 

[defense101]

Suppose they deem it to be a homicide, but cannot name a suspect -- then what? Just curious... the case just stays open until and unresolved until eternity?

 

[jjenny]

Suppose they deem it to be a homicide, but cannot name a suspect -- then what? Just curious... the case just stays open until and unresolved until eternity?

It would be just like any case where police know it's murder but don't have suspects.

 

[TorisMom003]

I had not heard about this case until a few days ago. I wanted to read all of the posts on all of the threads before I commented on if I thought this could really be a suicide to see if someone else had posted what my thoughts were. I was also hoping that there would be more information that had come out by the time I got to the last current post. Unfotunately it does not seem that has happened.

I do not feel that this is a suicide. Based on how RN was found, suicide does not make sense (IMO). Here are my problems:

1. Let's say that RN was depressed over Max's fall and resulting coma. Why would she take her own life before Max dies?

2. How is it phsically possible for RN to tie her ankles, her hands together and then hang herself? This does not make sense to me. Let's look at it this way.

A.) This process is if RN hung herself while being on the balcony ~ RN decides to hang herself so she ties a rope to the balcony (after making a noose), drops the rope under the railing of the balcony, finds one or two cords to bind her hands and feet, undresses herself at some point, sits down somewhere and binds her feet together, while still sitting binds her hands together, puts her feet through her arms while still sitting and gets her hands behind her back, grabs the rope and places the noose around her neck (while her hands are behind her back), sits on the railing and falls over the railing.......Would she not hit the wall under the balcony when she swings down? Would that not leave a mark on the wall?

B.) This process is if RN hung herself from below balcony using a table to stand on or just the ground. ~ RN decides to hang herself, makes a noose on one end of rope and ties the other end to the railing of the balcony, finds one or two cords to bind her hands and feet, gets undressed at some point, goes outside the house to under the balcony, sits on the table or the ground and binds her feet, binds her hands, while sitting on the table or the ground puts her feet through her arms, stands up bringing hands behind her back, somehow manages to get her head through the noose without using her hands and gets it down onto her neck, kicks off from the table or slouches down towards the ground to hang herself. Now, if RN can reach the table or the ground then what is the purpose of binding her legs/feet? It will not prevent her from "saving herself" as she can still touch the table or the ground. If the order is reversed and RN places the noose around her neck before putting her hands behind her back, how does she do that? The rope would have to be long enough for her to bend over to get her legs and feet between her arms. If the rope is that long then there is no need to bind her legs/feet as she can easily reach the table or ground.

3. Why would RN commit suicide after making plans to go to the hospital to see Max the next day? If it was because she was told to not come to the hospital or because someone (even just her) blamed her for Max's death, why would she not leave a note to express her guilt and to let JS know that she was sorry?

This whole case does not make alot of sense. There are too many things that are being left unanswered. I personally do not see any way in the world that suicide can even possibly be ruled as what really happened.

MOO

 

[Inobu]

lol we could all be called witnesses by LE. I think we all may be in for a surprise when LE does finally either make a statement (suicide) or arrest someone because we have all gone around in circles a few times. I have my suspects rated with JS DS and NN at the top but still going in circles. Each time someone mentions something that gets my brain going I'm back looking at someone else. I have what I consider to be my main poi and will have to see what comes of it. I think telephone records can be key here as well as forensics, whose fingerprints and dna are there that shouldn't be in the house. The table in the back courtyard leads you one way then another. Is it staged or was it used, if it was used why is it in the position it is? It shouldn't be standing up especially considering where the broken leg is, it would be the exact corner of the table that AS would need to stand on in order to cut RN down. I'm very confused right now, I hope we hear something soon.

Inobu: I didn't read your post carefully enough, I am now seeing what you mean about the table with height, so AS wouldn't necessarily have used the table if RN committed suicide, the only way he would need to use the table is if she was murdered? Am I reading that right?

Yes, based on a self inflected suicide the table sets up only one condition of use and places RN in a position that the table becomes useless for AS. The tables condition and position becomes questionable.

If the situation warranted AS usage of the table then RN could not have hung herself. Someone had to lift her to a height above the table which indicated homicide.

This just applies to the deduction of a suicide verses homicide with the rope table and balcony. When you add the orange cord, binding on the hands and feet, nudity, hand secured behind the back, RM, leg bent instead of straight the hanging/suicide becomes less and less of a probability.

Inobu

 

[Inobu]

I had not heard about this case until a few days ago. I wanted to read all of the posts on all of the threads before I commented on if I thought this could really be a suicide to see if someone else had posted what my thoughts were. I was also hoping that there would be more information that had come out by the time I got to the last current post. Unfotunately it does not seem that has happened.

I do not feel that this is a suicide. Based on how RN was found, suicide does not make sense (IMO). Here are my problems:

1. Let's say that RN was depressed over Max's fall and resulting coma. Why would she take her own life before Max dies?

2. How is it phsically possible for RN to tie her ankles, her hands together and then hang herself? This does not make sense to me. Let's look at it this way.

A.) This process is if RN hung herself while being on the balcony ~ RN decides to hang herself so she ties a rope to the balcony (after making a noose), drops the rope under the railing of the balcony, finds one or two cords to bind her hands and feet, undresses herself at some point, sits down somewhere and binds her feet together, while still sitting binds her hands together, puts her feet through her arms while still sitting and gets her hands behind her back, grabs the rope and places the noose around her neck (while her hands are behind her back), sits on the railing and falls over the railing.......Would she not hit the wall under the balcony when she swings down? Would that not leave a mark on the wall?

B.) This process is if RN hung herself from below balcony using a table to stand on or just the ground. ~ RN decides to hang herself, makes a noose on one end of rope and ties the other end to the railing of the balcony, finds one or two cords to bind her hands and feet, gets undressed at some point, goes outside the house to under the balcony, sits on the table or the ground and binds her feet, binds her hands, while sitting on the table or the ground puts her feet through her arms, stands up bringing hands behind her back, somehow manages to get her head through the noose without using her hands and gets it down onto her neck, kicks off from the table or slouches down towards the ground to hang herself. Now, if RN can reach the table or the ground then what is the purpose of binding her legs/feet? It will not prevent her from "saving herself" as she can still touch the table or the ground. If the order is reversed and RN places the noose around her neck before putting her hands behind her back, how does she do that? The rope would have to be long enough for her to bend over to get her legs and feet between her arms. If the rope is that long then there is no need to bind her legs/feet as she can easily reach the table or ground.

3. Why would RN commit suicide after making plans to go to the hospital to see Max the next day? If it was because she was told to not come to the hospital or because someone (even just her) blamed her for Max's death, why would she not leave a note to express her guilt and to let JS know that she was sorry?

This whole case does not make alot of sense. There are too many things that are being left unanswered. I personally do not see any way in the world that suicide can even possibly be ruled as what really happened.

MOO

This is just your preliminary assessment wait til you dig into it. It all does not make sense which is why I'm convinced that this area is staged (Yes I'm getting tire of saying just as you are getting tired of reading it.)

LE need to get going on this case.

 

[defense101]

I'm going to ask again because I've looked everywhere for the news video of when they spoke to a man at the door of DS's home, please does anyone know where I can find it?

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

From the instant I heard about this case on TV, it screamed 'homicide' to me. Women who commit suicide don't use violent methods; they're more likely to use pills or drowning. I can't imagine anyone- especially a woman- hanging herself while naked. And then to go through all the trouble of tying herself up and awkwardly scrambling off the balcony? What for? It just doesn't make sense.

Whoever was responsible was comfortable being in the house for quite a length of time. They knew she was alone and no one was expected to be coming home. Why was she naked? Could it have been a sex game gone wrong- possibly involving AS? Or was she stripped to cause humiliation. Maybe she had an ex-boyfriend or someone else who felt 'wronged'.

If JS or DS were responsible, they had money enough to hire someone else to do the dirty work. It also could have been a 'hit' related to the pharmaceutical business.

Just some thoughts.

 

[jwporetenus]

I'm catching up on everyone's ideas, so many good avenues to explore! I'm still intrigued by the Medicis angle, more on that later.

Just wanted to say a word about the suicide theory-- as I've said, I personally feel very strongly that RN's death was murder, not suicide. My opinion is not based on her reportedly sunny, life-affirming personality -- a person who doesn't fit the stereotypical suicidal personality (depression and/or bipolarity and/or family history of severe depression/suicide, and/or a traumatic head injury and/or a serious-terminal illness, etc.) can take their own life in dire circumstances.

( I respectfully disagree that the 9/11 example is applicable here -- those who jumped from the Towers did so in panic or to escape the horror of the fiery death that literally drove them to the
windows and out. They did not stop and plan an elaborate, naked, self-binding. They leapt in terror beyond any imagining. Whatever agony that RN may or may not have felt due to MS's brain death, I don't think it equates to a literal fireball driving her out a window. But then very little ever could equate to those poor 9/11 victims. Still so awful to imagine what they endured at the last).

But that's not to say that causing a sweet child's death wouldn't make her want to
kill herself. It would sure make ME want to kill myself -- except that, like RN had, I have people who count on me to live no matter what Ive done. Even if I caused a child's death, my mom, sibs, friends, and extended family, including
several young children who love me -- all of whom have loved me longer than three years --would all need for me to live. Would I hate myself so much for
accidentally causing a child's brain-death that I would betray every other person in my life, including my own blood family (and my boyfriend too), by killing myself?

No. And Im not any stronger or saner than you are. I'm average. So far, it seems that RN was, too. She had the same kinds of ties that I have, that you probably have. Would I bail on my kid sister because I accidentally caused a
child's brain death?

But okay, say I did decide to betray everyone, including my parents and siblings, my own blood family, and kill myself because I caused the accidental
brain-death of my boyfriend's child. Would I do it in the most public, embarrassing, in-your-face way I could think of? Would I really go far, far out
of my way to do something genuinely bizarre, public and oh-so-elaborate to essentially say a giant "*#*# you!" to the world, particularly my parents, because I was just so remorseful?

Would I do it in my boyfriend's own house, while he sat at his dying son's bedside, so he'd have my mess to clean up?

Would I do it in a way that would make him a sure target for a police investigation, and negative public speculation -- because I just felt so terrible for causing profound devastation already? Nothing says "Sorry I killed your child!" like making the parent a murder suspect. (and come on, unless she was genuinely mentally feeble, she would HAVE to have known that suicide in this
manner would, shall we say, invite inquiry).

Nope. Not unless I actually hated said boyfriend and everyone else, and believed the world revolved around me. And if I happened to be THAT narcissistic, I wouldnt kill myself to begin with.

And yes, that's me, not RN, but so far, Ive heard nothing that tells me that RN was so terribly different from an average bear like me.

So given all this, in my opinion, the elaborate, freakish means of death does not match the scenario of suicide as (1) an impulsive, desperate flight from guilt, or (2) an act self-punishment due to unbearable remorse. Too calculated for the former, too punishing to JS (and all loved ones) for the latter.

But all that said, this too must be said --what do I know? Not a thing, really, so my opinion really is nothing but MOO -- not just "my own opinion" MOO but also about as meaningful as a cow's MOO without some facts!

But I just can't shake the instinct that this woman did not strip, tie herself up with odd, unwieldy bindings, painfully contort herself into a bizarro pretzel, dive off her boyfriend's house in hopes that the whole rickety hogtie-style contraption would work out in suicide rather than severe fractures, and do that without regard to her own loving family -- just to say how sorry she was for
hurting someone accidentally.

Sometimes--oftentimes-- the simplest answer turns out to be the right answer. So for me, with the facts we know, it's murder.

(But the simple-is-right maxim does whack my whole Medici conspiracy theory,
lol)

 

[TorisMom003]

If this is a murder made to "look like a suicide", which IMO it is, then there are three distinct things that need to be asked when looking for the person that did this.

1. Who had so much jealousy or hatred towards RN to want to do this to her?

2. Who had a motive or felt that they had a very good reason (in their mind) to do this to RN?

3. Who wanted to cause not only humiliation to RN but to JS as well? Because let's face it, this kind of death (naked, bound and hung) in his home is going to cause him humiliation as well as the possible loss of revenue from bad publicity.

I personally do not see JS doing this or hiring someone to do this. Especially not in his home. It would be one thing if she had been found somewhere else but not him since she was found in his home. I also don't see his brother AS doing this. I don't see AS having that much hatred towards his brother for him to come running after getting a call from JS concerning Max's fall to only then do something like this shortly after arriving in town. I also don't see NN (RN's ex) as the one to do this. Of course they may have had a "messy" divorce and not been very civil towards one another but it still does not add up for him to do this. For me, that leaves one person. DS could be the answer to all 3 of my questions.

1. DS and JS had a very nasty marriage where they each played "I'm calling 911" on the other. I doubt after years of that type of behavior that they suddenly began to get along. Top it off with a new woman in JS's life that may or may not have been in the picture before the divorce was final and it remains a very tense situation.

2. DS may blame RN for Max's fall as she was the adult in the house at the time that it happened. DS already not liking RN has even more reason now to really hate RN. This could be the straw that broke the camals back.

3. DS would know that this kind of publicity would harm JS's company. JS is a man that puts forward his best face for his business. This type of death would humiliate two people at one time. RN is humiliated because she is dead, naked for all the world to see with her hands tied behind her back. JS is humiliated because his girlfriend is dead, naked for all the world to see with her hands tied behind her back in HIS home.

It is my opinion that even though DS is a woman, she could definately overpower RN. Just based on the photos that I have seen of the two DS is larger while RN is petite. If you factor in the rage and adrenalin then she would be even stronger.

MOO

 

[defense101]

There is definitely rage there, but you have to ask yourself who could easily access the home, would RN have opened the door to DS? Who if not JS would RN opened the door to to allow access to the home?

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

DS could be the answer to all 3 of my questions. [SNIP]

2. DS may blame RN for Max's fall as she was the adult in the house at the time that it happened. DS already not liking RN has even more reason now to really hate RN. This could be the straw that broke the camals back.

3. DS would know that this kind of publicity would harm JS's company. JS is a man that puts forward his best face for his business. This type of death would humiliate two people at one time. RN is humiliated because she is dead, naked for all the world to see with her hands tied behind her back. JS is humiliated because his girlfriend is dead, naked for all the world to see with her hands tied behind her back in HIS home.

It is my opinion that even though DS is a woman, she could definately overpower RN. Just based on the photos that I have seen of the two DS is larger while RN is petite. If you factor in the rage and adrenalin then she would be even stronger.

I can imagine that DS was responsible. But if she is, I think she hired someone else to do it- very possibly two people. It would have been too much of a struggle for DS to have done it alone and there would have been all kinds of evidence left at the scene. IMO, whoever did the deed was methodical and experienced.

 

[Inobu]

I'm going to ask again because I've looked everywhere for the news video of when they spoke to a man at the door of DS's home, please does anyone know where I can find it?

I recall it being an article written where a reporter knocked on the door and wanted to ask questions but the man said that Dina was not at home and had no comment.

I think arielilane may have found that link. It was during the discussion concerning where Dina's house was located, I remember saying that the reporter found her house.

There are so many pages it a needle in a Nebraska corn field.

Inobu

 

[TorisMom003]

Would JS bother changing the alarm code or door locks after his marriage was over? If not DS would have a key still and also know the code to turn off the alarm. RN was found around 6:30 am, however we do not know what time she died. RN could have been in bed asleep, DS quietly enters the house and attacks RN while she is sleeping. Less of a struggle that way. Manual strangulation with a rope that was then used to hang RN.

ETA: There is also the question of why a rug and a painting/mirror was removed from the home after a search warrent was issued on the day that RN died. This tells me it was not something to do with Max's death but did have something to do with RN's death. I'm not sure why a rug would need to be taken in by LE if a suicide occurred outside of the home on a balcony.

 

[Pach]

1.) I am curious what were the exact words of AS when he called 911. I have read from one of the posts here, that he said something like "there appears to be a woman bla bla bla" . Sounds like a weird way of describing the situation almost like a geeky or detached way of describing the situation. Can anyone confirm his exact words ?? Why didn't he just said straight out "my sister in law is hanging !

2.) is its true that there was an female witness on that morning, I wonder who saw Rebecca's body first, AS or that female witness ?? or both.

3.) There is the wild possibility that a neighbor or passerby saw the 2 witnesses drag the body so now that they have been "spotted" , they now call 911 and pretend to have "discovered" a female hanging.

4.)Another wild possibility is that the 2nd witness saw AS and that's why AS now calls 911 to report the event.

5.) those reported neighbor's teens who reportedly took photos of Rebecca's body should be called for questioning as well.

6.) and of course, its also possible, that AS was just an innocent witness who woke up to see this horrifying spectacle.