Rehashing, debating and discussing the evidence

[Hope4More]

I fail to see where that's a suspicious coincidence. Weren't there many, many more coincidences that tie KC to the death of Caylee?

It was the Anthony's meter reader because a lazy and arrogant FCA dumped Caylee so very close to the Anthony's home, and the meter reader, doing his rounds near their house, had to take a leak.

It would be odder if Anthony's meter reader had found Caylee 100 miles away in a swamp, not where he did, but it still would have been a coincidence, not a conspiracy, for goodness sakes.

How much stranger it seems to me that anyone's theory of what happened involves blaming a peeing meter reader. Geez.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Well, she had Zanny and there was Juliette, Jeff, too. Her boss at Universal, he seemed friendly sending her emails at home. Zanny's roommates, Zanny's sister, Jeff's mother (Casey even got to go to the wedding, I think) so, yes, I think we can say she had friends. Have another mushroom....they're delicious.

I wonder when KC left jail if all the inmates gathered round to wish her well.....yelled..."Bella Vita, Ciao Casey." jmo

Yup, Zenaida, Samantha, Gloria, Victor, Raquel, Jennifer, Juliette, Jeffrey Michael Hopkins, Annabelle, Tom was her boss at Universal.

I find it amazing that Casey started by blaming these people, went and started to blame Jesse Grund and his family and when that didn't work out, she decided she would go after daddy and Roy Kronk. The truth doesn't change! Unless you're Casey Anthony of course!

 

[natsound]

It was the Anthony's meter reader because a lazy and arrogant FCA dumped Caylee so very close to the Anthony's home, and the meter reader, doing his rounds near their house, had to take a leak.

It would be odder if Anthony's meter reader had found Caylee 100 miles away in a swamp, not where he did, but it still would have been a coincidence, not a conspiracy, for goodness sakes.

How much stranger it seems to me that anyone's theory of what happened involves blaming a peeing meter reader. Geez.

A peeing meter reader who called police to report what he thinks he sees in the woods!! :banghead:

 

[LambChop]

Yup, Zenaida, Samantha, Gloria, Victor, Raquel, Jennifer, Juliette, Jeffrey Michael Hopkins, Annabelle, Tom was her boss at Universal.

I find it amazing that Casey started by blaming these people, went and started to blame Jesse Grund and his family and when that didn't work out, she decided she would go after daddy and Roy Kronk. The truth doesn't change! Unless you're Casey Anthony of course!

I just can't wrap my mind around anyone who would believe anything KC would say and make excuses for her. After all the damage KC has done to other's lives and some still talk about these lies as if they were true.

I really think RK needs to expand his horizons and go after KC legally if he can. My understanding is JB could have made statements about RK if he knew they were true and if true he had to prove so in court. JB did not prove anything and the rules need to change regarding accountability for statements made by attorneys in court that they know are false and can't be proven. jmo

 

[LambChop]

A peeing meter reader who called police to report what he thinks he sees in the woods!! :banghead:

Bet he wishes now he had remembered to take that Flomax pill. lol

 

[pcrum12]

How many hair stylist and insurance guys take a pee in the woods?
bang head

FYI- George was not on trial-Casey was on trial. Sadly a murderer walked.

imo

I keep seeing that. Why is that significant? Lots of ppl are put on try that are innocent and the murderer walking the streets, sitting right in the courtroom, maybe even a witness, or a relative. Just not understanding when someone says RK was not on trial, GA was not on trial, Casey was.

 

[pcrum12]

I should add that RK must have gone back into the woods before he called the cops to make SURE it was still there. At that time he messed with the skill a bit and might have tried to use the Duct Tape to keep the skull and mandible together. It could be his DNA on that piece of Duct Tape. There WAS DNA on that duct tape.. but it wasn't the baby's or any family members. Whose was it?

I'm pretty sure they proved the dna on the tape belonged to an fbi agent. IIRC.

 

[LambChop]

I keep seeing that. Why is that significant? Lots of ppl are put on try that are innocent and the murderer walking the streets, sitting right in the courtroom, maybe even a witness, or a relative. Just not understanding when someone says RK was not on trial, GA was not on trial, Casey was.

Because it is DT's duty to try and take the attention away from their client. To make the jury think, "Well, what if someone else had an opportunity to do this." No proof was ever presented that either GA or RK had anything to do with Caylee's death and yet the jury foreman....the jury foreman.... the man who has all the power for that jury, claims he had thoughts that GA could have killed Caylee. There was no proof and GA was not on trial. Consider it as a vague possibility, yes, but to think that LE got it wrong and somehow you, as a juror suddenly figured it out because you can't believe a Mom could do something like this and that is the basis of your conclusion that it had to be GA. This is why the reminder is there that RK and GA were not on trial and should have never been a part of deliberation because DT failed to present any evidence at trial that backed up their OS. DT managed to get the attention off of KC and onto GA and RK. Mission accomplished. jmo

 

[bayouland]

Exactly. It is no stretch to think that KC would look up "how to make chloro" unless she WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT??!! If she had some other explanation, then I would have welcomed it.

I don't know why there's such an effort among some to blame others for what happened to Caylee! I just don't understand it! ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO KC!!

Which reminds me, who was that Federal Judge that said there was plenty of evidene to convict her? Do you recall?

 

[pcrum12]

JUDGE PERRY SAID-DURING TRIAL- THERE WAS NOTHING THAT POINTED TO GA BEING A CHILD ABUSER.

(Near halloween--the caldrun stirers come out.) :great:

Not trying to stir this but the dt did try to present evidence to back the sexual abuse but the state objected and the judge sustained even after proffers. Therefore, some testimony was not allowed. fwiw.

 

[LambChop]

I'm pretty sure they proved the dna on the tape belonged to an fbi agent. IIRC.

It belonged to one of the lab technicians. Could have been a piece of skin from her face or scalp. It happens all the time. What was important is that there was no DNA from Caylee and the tape was on her so it would have had to have been someone recently handling the evidence. jmo

 

[pcrum12]

Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with this case and this trial. This trial was about a 2.5 year old child who was murdered by her mother.
Jose Baez admitted he came up with the sexual abuse as a theory at the trial. A theory intended to divert attention. What is sad here is that it worked. For some reason the concept of sexual abuse/incest is very titillating and grabs attention - so much so they are able to ignore the murder of a child.

Do you mind referencing when he admitted this? TIA

 

[Americka]

Which reminds me, who was that Federal Judge that said there was plenty of evidene to convict her? Do you recall?

I'm not sure about the federal judge, but a Howard University professor of law (Adam Kurland) said this..."In Casey's case, the prosecution clearly provided more than enough evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty of some form of murder. Prisons throughout the country, death rows included, are full of persons convicted on far less evidence." http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArtic...the_Casey_Anthony_trial&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

 

[LambChop]

Not trying to stir this but the dt did try to present evidence to back the sexual abuse but the state objected and the judge sustained even after proffers. Therefore, some testimony was not allowed. fwiw.

That would have been the letters, I think, from the jailhouse which proved nothing because KC claims she thinks something happened not that it did. If it were that important JB would have put KC on the stand. He tried to get the letters to speak for her then she was sitting right there. SA had a right to object. It also had nothing to do with Caylee's death.

Had the judge allowed the letters it would have forced the State to bring in Robyn to testify about what brought up the response to her from KC about the suspected abuse as KC was clearly responding to something Robyn had told her. Not sure DT wanted that to happen.

Not sure, too, why DT went after GA because it looks as if KC may have told her parents LA was the father and that is why everyone was avoiding him before Caylee was born. I believe that was what upset him because he may not have known that until right before the trial. From the trial testimony it is clear LA was a potential target, too. My guess is KC had little use for GA and he became the victum.

KC is very, very dangerous because there are people out there who are willing to do anything to prove she did nothing wrong when it appears she has done nothing right. She destroys people lives and could care less. She will be your friend until you have outlived your usefulness and then slam you to the ground with her vindictive ways. She is trouble and I doubt she can change. So good luck with that folks. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Do you mind referencing when he admitted this? TIA

I think it was one of his researchers who bragged about how she was getting information online and texting to JB. That JB got the idea to go after GA because he was the weakest link from information she culivated from forums such as WS's. At least that was my understand of where JB got his theory's from. This person is a trial strategist, I think. But I could be wrong. lol jmo

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Because it is DT's duty to try and take the attention away from their client. To make the jury think, "Well, what if someone else had an opportunity to do this." No proof was ever presented that either GA or RK had anything to do with Caylee's death and yet the jury foreman....the jury foreman.... the man who has all the power for that jury, claims he had thoughts that GA could have killed Caylee. There was no proof and GA was not on trial. Consider it as a vague possibility, yes, but to think that LE got it wrong and somehow you, as a juror suddenly figured it out because you can't believe a Mom could do something like this and that is the basis of your conclusion that it had to be GA. This is why the reminder is there that RK and GA were not on trial and should have never been a part of deliberation because DT failed to present any evidence at trial that backed up their OS. DT managed to get the attention off of KC and onto GA and RK. Mission accomplished. jmo

ITA with almost all of this post.

The dt did an outstanding job in misdirection, and the pt failed to clear the muddied waters.

The dt poked so many holes in the states case, that the state could not pull it all together during their rebuttal, or their closing.

JB's CS where he emphasized fantasy this, fantasy that, and highlighted each weakness in the states case, followed by CM's Reasonable Doubt chart, and the rest is history.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[bayouland]

I'm not sure about the federal judge, but a Howard University professor of law (Adam Kurland) said this..."In Casey's case, the prosecution clearly provided more than enough evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty of some form of murder. Prisons throughout the country, death rows included, are full of persons convicted on far less evidence." http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArtic...the_Casey_Anthony_trial&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

Thank you and thanks for the link!

 

[bayouland]

Because it is DT's duty to try and take the attention away from their client. To make the jury think, "Well, what if someone else had an opportunity to do this." No proof was ever presented that either GA or RK had anything to do with Caylee's death and yet the jury foreman....the jury foreman.... the man who has all the power for that jury, claims he had thoughts that GA could have killed Caylee. There was no proof and GA was not on trial. Consider it as a vague possibility, yes, but to think that LE got it wrong and somehow you, as a juror suddenly figured it out because you can't believe a Mom could do something like this and that is the basis of your conclusion that it had to be GA. This is why the reminder is there that RK and GA were not on trial and should have never been a part of deliberation because DT failed to present any evidence at trial that backed up their OS. DT managed to get the attention off of KC and onto GA and RK. Mission accomplished. jmo

I agree with you on this bolded point. But Baez didn't stop insisting that Caylee was missing until the remains were identified. His client also sat in jail for three years and then 6 weeks prior to trial the "accident" was born. Does this make any sense to you?

 

[logicalgirl]

Do you mind referencing when he admitted this? TIA

sure - when he was speaking on the spanish network after the trial and on many occasions afterwards. He is quick to say the words "theories" when speaking about his OS.

 

[bayouland]

Not trying to stir this but the dt did try to present evidence to back the sexual abuse but the state objected and the judge sustained even after proffers. Therefore, some testimony was not allowed. fwiw.

What kind of evidence? If there was sexual abuse then two people knew about it first hand. GA and FCA. Anything else would be heresay. The Judge didn't allow it in because it was bogus.