Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[salberg7]

I rewatched Dectective Flores/Arias both days & the killer answering jury questions this morning, along with a touch of Demarte & Wilmott exchange. I swear I saw smoke coming out of Wilmott's ears during JD/JW cross examination. Demarte REALLY gets to Wilmott. The clip I watched was not the Wilmott calling Dr. Demarte a "bi*@h" under her breath, may watch that later. Can't wait for Dr Demarte to succinctly sum up the sociopath who is the killer. Maybe the Nurms will do her cross as I don't think Wilmott can keep it together with Janine.

 

[krkrjx]

I think the only witnesses they might have are 2-3 people that will only tell tales if they can be promised JM won't get to question them. Which raises a question about the options JSS is offering (for one, more pseudonyms!). If an affidavit is used, and JM knows they are not being truthful, what happens then? Does the jury hear them or can JM get the affidavit thrown out before read in court?

I notice Aunt Sue is still missing in court, but I wonder how she liked hearing what JA was saying about her twin sister? And is/was she one of the supposed 14?

Oh of course! that's why they don't want to testify. The "threats to their life and livelihood" is just an excuse because one only needs a speck of gullibility to believe it to be true. The real reason is they want to have their say while not having it subject to scrutiny by the prosecutor.

However, if the DT insists on the need for anonymity due to threats, etc., they win in a way because they can appeal saying they had witnesses but the court would not accommodate them.

Brown paper bags are cheap and come in all sizes. Just sayin'...

 

[netbrsr]

Brown paper bags are cheap and come in all sizes. Just sayin'...

Couldn't resist.

http://media.nola.com/saints_impact/photo/bagheadjpg-89cb03c4e1bafd60.jpg

 

[NashBridges2]

I think this will be wrapping up sooner than later. We know through Juans objections that Nurmi will not subpeona any witnesses, so that really leaves him with only 2 more. Geffner and Jodi. I don't believe Jodi will get back on the stand, as much as I'd love her too. Willmott will rehash everything with Geffner Most of monday, with a bit of time for Juan. Juan will finish Tuesday. then back to Willmott Wednesday, for a repeat of blah blah blah,then let's say jury questions and rebutall after jury questions on Thursday. Then suddenly, we are at January 26th. I'm betting the defense rests. Who else could they possibly call?

Juan will take another week or 2, to wrap it all up in a pretty bow, with the case going to the jury the second week of February.

That's my guess. They really can't stall this any longer. They have nobody else to call. And if suddenly they show up on Tuesday after this 6 day break and say they need more time to find or interview witnesses, I really hope they're told to ***** or get off the pot. Like Willmott said herself, this trial has gone on long enough.

 

[bsk]

I rewatched Dectective Flores/Arias both days & the killer answering jury questions this morning, along with a touch of Demarte & Wilmott exchange. I swear I saw smoke coming out of Wilmott's ears during JD/JW cross examination. Demarte REALLY gets to Wilmott. The clip I watched was not the Wilmott calling Dr. Demarte a "bi*@h" under her breath, may watch that later. Can't wait for Dr Demarte to succinctly sum up the sociopath who is the killer. Maybe the Nurms will do her cross as I don't think Wilmott can keep it together with Janine.

I think DeMarte gets to JA even more than she does to JW. Let's see.... She's young, attractive, well-spoken, well-educated, intelligent - pretty much everything JA (and maybe JW too) - thinks she is. Can't you just imagine JA saying this: "The nerve of her! Saying she gave ME an intelligence test because she thought *I* was immature. Me - Jodi Freaking Einstein Arias! Like whatever! When I get out real soon now I'm going to track her down and...."

 

[LinasK]

In the words of Linda Drane Burdick "What the defense has done does not even come close to the legal requirements. It is a farce!" That is what I think of Jen/Nurmi alleging fourteen people are now afraid to take the stand for the client. The truth of the matter is
The "Phantom 14" witnesses would have to be
put on witness list
deposed ( interviewed ) by Juan Martinez
We all know how that would go.

Juan has never had access to these phantom 14.
He has made that clear in the hearings. Nurmi/Jen have, as you suggest, thrown it out there (poor Jodi has scared witnesses) so the reporters will make that their headline.

It works for them, this system of mentioning things in motions or hearings, things that are not in evidence and never will be. For example, they got it reported that one of phantom 14 WOULD HAVE , if, as and when, on the stand, testified that Travis was into child . Wait for it......an out of state witness they are having a hard time reaching.

While she was playing Pro Per, if I recall correctly, Jodi Arias claimed her witnesses did not wish to speak to Juan Martinez. Too bad.

No soup for you.

That is NOT how it works, not in AZ or any state in the Untied States of America. They have to face the prosecutor if they are going to take the stand. Whether a sealed proceeding, showing only their hands, with an assumed name or in a Halloween costume, it doesn't matter, these folks were never actually going to be called into court by the defense.

In the hearing on November 4, 2014, over sixty days ago, the fact that the defense has NO LAY WITNESSES and in lieu of live testimony, the Affidavits was mentioned. Mr. Martinez can play their game too. "They have the 2 experts, a possible witness from CA, and beyond that THEY HAVE JUST AFFIDAVITS IS MY UNDERSTANDING" Juan told the court .

http://youtu.be/LKp1qwmvRrw?t=8m11s

THAT WAS NOVEMBER 4, 2014!!!

Juan; to my grin, let the public ( Come in Tokyo..media are you watching the court minutes....) know as far back as a year ago by the way HE titled his documents that Jodi Arias and her lawyers planned to have this entire phase of the trial in secret. Check out this View attachment 67610

Let's just play along with them that they verbally asked 14 folks to testify.
Now we learn that Kirk Nurmi and Jen Wilmott did not even start step two ( if one assumes these folks refused to come willingly )....
send out the 14 subpoenas! The judge let them know what she thinks of their nonsense in her ruling denying their 17 motions.
http://archive.azcentral.com/persistent/icimages/news/CR2008-031021-001DT-019-01142015.pdf
BAAAAAM!

This long stunt of their is , Mr. Nurmi's favorite word, egregious.

There is a very specific legal procedure one must follow to subpoena an out of state witness. We know Jen/Nurmi are very well aware of how to do it; because, they complained about it regarding Sky Hughes in a pre trial hearing.

In that hearing, a beautiful moment for justice for Travis happened. Kirk Nurmi asked of
Chris Hughes

"If you were called to testify on Miss Arias' behalf, would you be happy about it?"
"No. I would not" Travis Alexander's resolute best friend replied.
"Why is that?" Nurmi asked.

Chris Hughes spoke out for his beloved little brother and dear friend, Travis,
"Because she murdered my friend, in cold blood."

http://youtu.be/z4bTzT-c0DI?t=49m38s


In the entire matter of the State of Arizona vs. Jodi Ann Arias that is the truest answer ever spoken from the witness chair.

The "out-of-state" witness is Marc McGee, who convieniently lives in New Zealand, so that it's not easy for him to be cross-examined by Juan, yet he can get on the Internet and spout all his claims!

 

[rose222]

It's fascinating to read Arias' letters from jail. She's oh so spiritually and emotionally evolved, so open and accepting of other religions, so understanding (she celebrates differences in opinions dontcha know?) so supportive, so warm, kind, compassionate, magnanimous, forbearing--you can 'throw' any kind of carp at her but she'll only ever give back love, oh so softhearted etc. etc. Well..that is what she wants others to think.

And then you see the autopsy/crime scene photos and you realize that she's a cold-blooded killer from he!!.

 

[krkrjx]

No court on Monday and I bet Wilmott stretches things out with Geffner for as long as the court will allow or until she loses her voice--whichever comes first. I still think the DT are aiming to carry this as far as possible into February when they believe the DP will be ordered taken off the table by another court. Just MOO though. If they don't go that route for delay, they will file new motions that JSS will have to deal with prior to sentencing. I don't trust them to not try something.

 

[LinasK]

It's fascinating to read Arias' letters from jail. She's oh so spiritually and emotionally evolved, so open and accepting of other religions, so understanding (she celebrates differences in opinions dontcha know?) so supportive, so warm, kind, compassionate, magnanimous, forbearing--you can 'throw' any kind of carp at her but she'll only ever give back love, oh so softhearted etc. etc. Well..that is what she wants others to think.

And then you see the autopsy/crime scene photos and you realize that she's a cold-blooded killer from he!!.

And yet she manipulates them subtly by letting them know that "mom's watching". How in the h*ll would she know what people are posting or who doesn't post but views unless she's getting minute-by-minute details??? We're having a hard enough time following this trial by Twitter, and we all obviously have Internet access. Jodi doesn't!

 

[LinasK]

No court on Monday and I bet Wilmott stretches things out with Geffner for as long as the court will allow or until she loses her voice--whichever comes first. I still think the DT are aiming to carry this as far as possible into February when they believe the DP will be ordered taken off the table by another court. Just MOO though. If they don't go that route for delay, they will file new motions that JSS will have to deal with prior to sentencing. I don't trust them to not try something.

Yeah, but they can't seriously think a higher court would compare Jodi's case- an admitted killer- to that of Debra Milke. They have no grounds! And all of the 17 motions for removal of the Death Penalty were petty.

 

[bsk]

I think this will be wrapping up sooner than later. We know through Juans objections that Nurmi will not subpeona any witnesses, so that really leaves him with only 2 more. Geffner and Jodi. I don't believe Jodi will get back on the stand, as much as I'd love her too. Willmott will rehash everything with Geffner Most of monday, with a bit of time for Juan. Juan will finish Tuesday. then back to Willmott Wednesday, for a repeat of blah blah blah,then let's say jury questions and rebutall after jury questions on Thursday. Then suddenly, we are at January 26th. I'm betting the defense rests. Who else could they possibly call?

Juan will take another week or 2, to wrap it all up in a pretty bow, with the case going to the jury the second week of February.

That's my guess. They really can't stall this any longer. They have nobody else to call. And if suddenly they show up on Tuesday after this 6 day break and say they need more time to find or interview witnesses, I really hope they're told to ***** or get off the pot. Like Willmott said herself, this trial has gone on long enough.

The jurors are going to walk in Tuesday and go, "Oh my God - not THAT guy again!" The DT already had Geff on the stand for four full days of direct with very few interruptions from Juan. Wouldn't you love to see him get under their skin by on about 90% of any more direct questions chiming in with "Objection - Asked and answered a month ago"? JW gets completely flustered when an objection is sustained and KN lets his bad temper get the best of him, both them obvious to the jury. And it would make it clear to the jury which side has been doing the stalling here in case they can't figure it out.

 

[NashBridges2]

The jurors are going to walk in Tuesday and go, "Oh my God - not THAT guy again!" The DT already had Geff on the stand for four full days of direct with very few interruptions from Juan. Wouldn't you love to see him get under their skin by on about 90% of any more direct questions by chiming in with "Objection - Asked and answered a month ago"? JW gets completely flustered when an objection is sustained and KN lets his bad temper get the best of him, both them obvious to the jury. And it would make it clear to the jury which side has been doing the stalling here in case they can't figure it out.

I still think Geffner will be done at the end of next week. And I also believe they are a smart jury, they know damn well that every single one of these delays have come during the defense case. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who is holding all of this up. Even though they aren't supposed too, I'm pretty sure each of them are doing a bit of pillow talk at night too. I'm betting they know more than we think they do. At least I hope so.

 

[5bigfish5]

I'm going to have to go on record in the minority here. I do not believe doG or Greyhound could keep Jodi off the stand for her grand finale.

I firmly believe Jodi has been the engineer of this penalty phase from square one. One big agenda in all of this convoluted mess was to "right" perceived wrongs during the guilt phase, including but not limited to...trying to make Juan look foolish. The attitude of several Defense witnesses were so blatantly obvious to all of us, but remember this panel probably didn't see all of the first exchanges in court. Specifically those of Martinez and Arias. Revenge has been being refined for months and months.

Narcissists NEVER admit they are wrong, it is always someone else's fault and they DESPISE with a passion anyone that calls them out. Jodi will not rest until she has satisfied herself that she did everything possible to prove to this panel that Juan is wrong and a bully.

Think about it, IF she takes the stand, she loses. IF she doesn't take the stand, she loses. BUT, her Narcissism will not allow her to exist knowing she might have been able to make a difference.

She easily fooled so many people, why quit trying now? It's all she has.

 

[krkrjx]

Yeah, but they can't seriously think a higher court would compare Jodi's case- an admitted killer- to that of Debra Milke. They have no grounds! And all of the 17 motions for removal of the Death Penalty were petty.

For some reason DT have it in their thick heads that since Milke was on death row and now is not, Arias will go that same route. You are right that the cases are so completely different that really, the only common denominator is they are both AZ cases, but that will not matter to the DT. Even when they know their chances are slim to none in any motion, they will use it for purposes of delay if nothing else.

This is where I want the judge to step in and nip it. No more sidebars for no reason. Objections should be ruled on from the bench. Motions already ruled on should be denied immediately. IOW, do away with the constant unnecessary interruptions to the process. THIS is what I have heard other judges from a variety of venues speak to in regard to this case. THIS is what JSS needs to get a handle on and once she does that she will no doubt show that she is extremely capable. IMO.

 

[5bigfish5]

Hotchkiss' seven deadly sins of narcissism[edit]

Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[SUP][9][/SUP]

1. Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
2. Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
3. Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
4. Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
5. Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
6. Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
7. Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Oh and she also said she doesn't think this stuff will amount to much. If it was child yes. But what young man hasn't watched a little ? Nor will they find the sex stuff and the pictures and all that shocking.

I don't get why him having child even on his computer would make one bit of difference in the task they have before them. SHE IS GUILTY and they must accept that. So if he DID have child on his computer she should only get life? I do not understand that at all.

 

[bsk]

I'm going to have to go on record in the minority here. I do not believe doG or Greyhound could keep Jodi off the stand for her grand finale.

I firmly believe Jodi has been the engineer of this penalty phase from square one. One big agenda in all of this convoluted mess was to "right" perceived wrongs during the guilt phase, including but not limited to...trying to make Juan look foolish. The attitude of several Defense witnesses were so blatantly obvious to all of us, but remember this panel probably didn't see all of the first exchanges in court. Specifically those of Martinez and Arias. Revenge has been being refined for months and months.

Narcissists NEVER admit they are wrong, it is always someone else's fault and they DESPISE with a passion anyone that calls them out. Jodi will not rest until she has satisfied herself that she did everything possible to prove to this panel that Juan is wrong and a bully.

Think about it, IF she takes the stand, she loses. IF she doesn't take the stand, she loses. BUT, her Narcissism will not allow her to exist knowing she might have been able to make a difference.

She easily fooled so many people, why quit trying now? It's all she has.

One thing that COULD happen is that she takes the stand, goes through a few days/weeks of direct, and then when it comes time for cross she gets miraculously overcome with migraines, panic attacks, fainting, etc. Her attys say, "You see! This is all because you wouldn't let her testify without the press! She is unable to continue, and we demand a mistrial since she is now unable to assist with her own defense due to the stress you caused."

But in any case let's see what the defense has if all that's left is Geff and JA and she manages to survive the ordeal:
- No diagnosis of any mental illness, since their two "experts" are not licensed in AZ to diagnose it.
- JA was an uncontrollable brat whose parents might have gone a little overboard trying to straighten her out.
- Travis and JA exchanged about 8 billion texts/emails/calls, and a couple of times Travis was pissed off at her.
- Travis may have watched a little once. Or maybe it was caused by malware of some sort. Or a roommate. Or JA.
- Flores might have broken into the evidence room at 11pm one night to pull off Travis's computer, apparently because Martinez had the hots to see if any of it included JA. Or something like that.

Did I miss anything?

 

[bsk]

I don't get why him having child even on his computer would make one bit of difference in the task they have before them. SHE IS GUILTY and they must accept that. So if he DID have child on his computer she should only get life? I do not understand that at all.

The defense theory is something like he was ready to kill her because she might expose his secret life as a pedophile. So she was acting in self defense or doing a favor to society or something like that. Makes about as much sense as ... I don't know, I got nothing.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

BBM - Is that why you think she denied his motion? I would think at least the bit about the DT destroying such an important piece of evidence would warrant some kind of sanction, or at minimum some investigation.

http://www.kpho.com/story/27448806/day-13-of-jodi-arias-trial-defense-dismissal-motion-on-tap

"And in another twist, Martinez has filed a motion to have sanctions against Arias' attorneys.
The motion claims that one of the defense team's expert witnesses damaged a laptop computer
that could be a key piece of evidence in the case.
The defense witness was expected to testify that he found thousands of pornographic images on
Alexander's computer.
However, the prosecution's motion alleges that the computer was damaged so that the state's
computer expert could not re-examine it.
The motion also claims that Arias' attorneys handed over computer files that belonged, "to an
individual named Tony," that had nothing to do with the case."

no I don't think that is why she denied the motion. I think her reasons are valid for denying it. I just think the reason she is so cautious is because she is worried something getting overturned, and affecting her record, especially since this is her first DP case. She doesn't want to muck it up even though she kind of has.

 

[5bigfish5]

One thing that COULD happen is that she takes the stand, goes through a few days/weeks of direct, and then when it comes time for cross she gets miraculously overcome with migraines, panic attacks, fainting, etc. Her attys say, "You see! This is all because you wouldn't let her testify without the press! She is unable to continue, and we demand a mistrial since she is now unable to assist with her own defense due to the stress you caused."

But in any case let's see what the defense has if all that's left is Geff and JA and she manages to survive the ordeal:
- No diagnosis of any mental illness, since their two "experts" are not licensed in AZ to diagnose it.
- JA was an uncontrollable brat whose parents might have gone a little overboard trying to straighten her out.
- Travis and JA exchanged about 8 billion texts/emails/calls, and a couple of times Travis was pissed off at her.
- Travis may have watched a little once. Or maybe it was caused by malware of some sort. Or a roommate. Or JA.
- Flores might have broken into the evidence room at 11pm one night to pull off Travis's computer, apparently because Martinez had the hots to see if any of it included JA. Or something like that.

Did I miss anything?

Nope...Don't think so.

Other than IF Bobby, Matt, Darryl, (ANYONE) had of just married her and supported her in the style that she so richly deserved, Travis would be alive.