Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[LinasK]

I don't get why him having child even on his computer would make one bit of difference in the task they have before them. SHE IS GUILTY and they must accept that. So if he DID have child on his computer she should only get life? I do not understand that at all.

Even if he was a proven pedophile, vigilanteeism's been illegal since the 1800's. Doesn't mitigate her killing him viciously or even killing him. All is does is dirty up the victim and it's all BS. Travis was a good guy who didn't deserve to be murdered even if he played around or liked to look at .

 

[LinasK]

One thing that COULD happen is that she takes the stand, goes through a few days/weeks of direct, and then when it comes time for cross she gets miraculously overcome with migraines, panic attacks, fainting, etc. Her attys say, "You see! This is all because you wouldn't let her testify without the press! She is unable to continue, and we demand a mistrial since she is now unable to assist with her own defense due to the stress you caused."

But in any case let's see what the defense has if all that's left is Geff and JA and she manages to survive the ordeal:
- No diagnosis of any mental illness, since their two "experts" are not licensed in AZ to diagnose it.
- JA was an uncontrollable brat whose parents might have gone a little overboard trying to straighten her out.
- Travis and JA exchanged about 8 billion texts/emails/calls, and a couple of times Travis was pissed off at her.
- Travis may have watched a little once. Or maybe it was caused by malware of some sort. Or a roommate. Or JA.
- Flores might have broken into the evidence room at 11pm one night to pull off Travis's computer, apparently because Martinez had the hots to see if any of it included JA. Or something like that.

Did I miss anything?

I don't think stress is a valid reason to be unable to assist with your own defense. Why now??? She's been able to assist-direct this defense until now. If she were mentally incompetent to stand trial, like in the case of Elizabeth Smart's abductor, then the trial would've been pushed back until she was able to. What I do think is that she may actually break her wrist over the course of this week punching walls, so she may come in with a cast or wrist brace when court returns. She doesn't have incurable migraines. I know a teenage boy that is going through that, and even he is getting some relief through spinal nerve blocks.
Michael Jackson did try a spider bite to delay his trial and came to court in his jammies.

 

[ZoeyW]

Maria seems wholly unable to work on mitigation. In the words of Mark Nejame "That is being overly generous in my characterization!" She seems to have a VERY poor idea of how to vet a witness.


Setting someone up to fail, The story of how Patti Womack never took the stand
http://youtu.be/oDXopWnFUqA?list=PLqG-P-ORKLRFSMNRs4dPQS-OaJ6WWztek

Patti Womack, the dead on arrival type of witness.

What could Maria DeLarosa, Jennifer Wilmott and or Kirk Nurmi have been thinking subjecting this lady to the very obvious questions Juan Martinez would ask that would be a disaster for her? Then to have the audacity to make a bad faith motion for mistrial when the inevitable happened, she decided to get the hell outta Dodge?

One need not be more sophisticated than a fifth grader writing a paper to discern that she comes with, how shall I say this politely.....baggage.

It was well known at the time that Nurmi frequently watched HLN throughout the trial. He quoted various guests opining to the court. Therefore, the fact that she sold photos of herself and Jodi Arias to them, et al was public knowledge.

The topics being discussed would be the time period she knew Jodi Arias. Yes, drug use between the pair of them will wind up in one of the top three questions. Mr. Martinez does his homework. He does it very very well. He would know more about their witnesses than Patti Womack's parents by the time she was sworn in and took a seat.

After her name and when did she first meet Jodi another likely question would be what do you do for a living. Let's assume the answer is she is on public assistance. ( That is something KNOWN TO MARIA ) Her selling photos for what was likely thousands of dollars is NOT something that would bode well for her continued ability to get public assistance since the chances of her having reported that income are likely remote. Indeed five minutes into the depo that is the case. Yikes!

With over three MILLION dollars and over six years, searching the world over for a witness for Jodi Arias, this is what they came up with, Patti Womack?

This witness not only would do herself no good by testifying,
wait for it........
she would do the defendant harm by testifying.
You just can't make this stuff up!!
She did not even believe Jodi had a bad background, or her parents were abusive. Indeed she told Mr. Martinez, "Jodi had a very good background growing up."

http://youtu.be/VV7KeAg_Ehs?list=PLqG-P-ORKLRFSMNRs4dPQS-OaJ6WWztek

After that debacle of an interview with Juan, the defense asked for a Mistrial.

Once the judge gave yet another resounding DENIED, Jen Willmott and Kirk Nurmi asked to withdraw from the case.
Denied.
Then a Motion to Stay.
DENIED.

Here is Patti, who asked to be introduced as a "FORMER friend", as she "Does NOT support Jodi, or what she did!" " I NEVER got a death threat".
She does say that folks posted her photos with her daughter and where she lived, which I do NOT condone. Kids are off limits. Period. Home address ....that also is crossing a line. We don't do that.

http://youtu.be/--6YSPMKvIc?t=4m32s

The quote Juan would bring up is the "I never got a death threat", since THAT was the claim Nurmi made to the court, DEATH THREAT.
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Moving on to the other potential witnesses.

Nurmi never did offer any reason he did not present Darrell Brewer, who we learned in an interview with a local reporter was ready, willing and very much wanted to testify that day.

" I was here, I flew in . Much to my surprise I was stalled by the defense lawyers who told me for some legal strategic reason THEY decided I would not be testifying. That is why I called you ( speaking of why HE sought out the reporter )."

http://youtu.be/okbAekjQVdA

12 it is then?
NO!

Jodi already admitted in her interview with Troy the reason mom and pop could not take the stand is because of their interview with Detective Flores .

"You have this fantasy in your head , I told her, that you had this horrible childhood that just DID NOT happen" Sue Arias told Detective Flores

"When she moved to Mesa, she snuck up on his house and peeped in and watched him making out with another woman, she cried and cried. She thought she was gonna marry that dude. Still she stayed there for months and months", Jodi's dad, Bill Arias said in the police interview

http://youtu.be/qMaTDrBqZ6g

No way were they ever going to be called to the stand by the defense. EVER!

We know Joey is not about to be put on the stand and answer to his Facebook post where he says the reason Jodi secretly recorded the sex tape was to send out to love interest of Travis.


Aunt Sue is such a hot mess with her public statements I cannot even pick on her, it would be cruel what I have to say.

That brings us down to the phantom 9.

Matt McCartney will never take a step inside a Maricopa County Courthouse to face Juan Martinez and we know why

Friends, that brings us to the phantom 8, real or imagined , that would come face the prosecutor. The cows will come home sooner.

Therefore, it is my firm belief Maria is just way out of her league in preparing mitigation for Jodi Arias, even on her best day of ruffled blouses. Either that or Nurmi is lying to the court. Or both.

 

[Hez]

The jurors are going to walk in Tuesday and go, "Oh my God - not THAT guy again!" The DT already had Geff on the stand for four full days of direct with very few interruptions from Juan. Wouldn't you love to see him get under their skin by on about 90% of any more direct questions chiming in with "Objection - Asked and answered a month ago"? JW gets completely flustered when an objection is sustained and KN lets his bad temper get the best of him, both them obvious to the jury. And it would make it clear to the jury which side has been doing the stalling here in case they can't figure it out.

BBM - The state rested on October 30, 2014 and the victim impact statements were presented to the jury. Two and a half months later, and the defense has only completed testimony of ONE witness, Dr. F (well, two if you count John Smith as a mitigation witness, but I don't :maddening, so I hope it's clear to the jury by now who has done all of the stalling. :gaah:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh of course! that's why they don't want to testify. The "threats to their life and livelihood" is just an excuse because one only needs a speck of gullibility to believe it to be true. The real reason is they want to have their say while not having it subject to scrutiny by the prosecutor.

However, if the DT insists on the need for anonymity due to threats, etc., they win in a way because they can appeal saying they had witnesses but the court would not accommodate them.

Brown paper bags are cheap and come in all sizes. Just sayin'...

I honestly don't think KN has a leg to stand on when it comes to the witnesses not testifying. There are options out there legally so that they can testify. Just because he refuses to accept any of those options which are available wont be a matter for appeal imo.

In fact didn't KN say in the motion that the witnesses wont answer the DTs phone calls? If that is so, then he is just being a mind reader when he says they are too fearful to testify. If they don't want to talk to the DT then they very well could want no part of this case, period. Not because they are too afraid to testify but because they don't want to get up there and beg for JAs life to be spared now that they have seen the entire first trial and what the evidence exposed.

JSS knows KN can subpoena them and all he has to do is exercise it just like other defense lawyers do. If he doesn't then that is on him and not JSS. She and Juan both gave him several options to choose from.
IMO

 

[krkrjx]

OBE, I agree it won't be material for a successful appeal but I see JSS possibly being afraid of it being one. And with that, instead of allowing the trial to proceed and the issue be dealt with in another venue, she will allow further delays. I do not see that she has to, or should. But that does not mean she will not be browbeaten into doing so.

 

[LinasK]

I honestly don't think KN has a leg to stand on when it comes to the witnesses not testifying. There are options out there legally so that they can testify. Just because he refuses to accept any of those options which are available wont be a matter for appeal imo.

In fact didn't KN say in the motion that the witnesses wont answer the DTs phone calls? If that is so, then he is just being a mind reader when he says they are too fearful to testify. If they don't want to talk to the DT then they very well could want no part of this case, period. Not because they are too afraid to testify but because they don't want to get up there and beg for JAs life to be spared now that they have seen the entire first trial and what the evidence exposed.

JSS knows KN can subpoena them and all he has to do is exercise it just like other defense lawyers do. If he doesn't then that is on him and not JSS. She and Juan both gave him several options to choose from.
IMO

Yeah it just doesn't work to say, "I had 14 people that would've testified on her behalf"! It begs the question, so why not then? I think they are all too scared- the intimidation is having their lies picked apart by Juan on the stand.

 

[LinasK]

The defense theory is something like he was ready to kill her because she might expose his secret life as a pedophile. So she was acting in self defense or doing a favor to society or something like that. Makes about as much sense as ... I don't know, I got nothing.

Yeah, it's the "He deserved it" defense.

 

[krkrjx]

I just read the 13th Juror summary about trial day 23 and the June 1, 2008 date stood out to me. As I recall that is the date Jodi claimed to have cut her finger on the margarita glass at work. In regards to the computer searches & June 1, 2008 that is being discussed in court recently, I am confused. The 13th Juror implies that jurors will want to know who was on the computer on this day. Does anyone remember anything of significance with this June 1, 2008 date?

IIRC, per Sue's testimony June 1, 2008 was the day a site was accessed on the computer.

 

[Nali87]

In the words of Linda Drane Burdick "What the defense has done does not even come close to the legal requirements. It is a farce!" That is what I think of Jen/Nurmi alleging fourteen people are now afraid to take the stand for the client. The truth of the matter is
The "Phantom 14" witnesses would have to be
put on witness list
deposed ( interviewed ) by Juan Martinez
We all know how that would go.

Juan has never had access to these phantom 14.
He has made that clear in the hearings. Nurmi/Jen have, as you suggest, thrown it out there (poor Jodi has scared witnesses) so the reporters will make that their headline.

It works for them, this system of mentioning things in motions or hearings, things that are not in evidence and never will be. For example, they got it reported that one of phantom 14 WOULD HAVE , if, as and when, on the stand, testified that Travis was into child . Wait for it......an out of state witness they are having a hard time reaching.

While she was playing Pro Per, if I recall correctly, Jodi Arias claimed her witnesses did not wish to speak to Juan Martinez. Too bad.

No soup for you.

That is NOT how it works, not in AZ or any state in the Untied States of America. They have to face the prosecutor if they are going to take the stand. Whether a sealed proceeding, showing only their hands, with an assumed name or in a Halloween costume, it doesn't matter, these folks were never actually going to be called into court by the defense.

In the hearing on November 4, 2014, over sixty days ago, the fact that the defense has NO LAY WITNESSES and in lieu of live testimony, the Affidavits was mentioned. Mr. Martinez can play their game too. "They have the 2 experts, a possible witness from CA, and beyond that THEY HAVE JUST AFFIDAVITS IS MY UNDERSTANDING" Juan told the court .

http://youtu.be/LKp1qwmvRrw?t=8m11s

THAT WAS NOVEMBER 4, 2014!!!

Juan; to my grin, let the public ( Come in Tokyo..media are you watching the court minutes....) know as far back as a year ago by the way HE titled his documents that Jodi Arias and her lawyers planned to have this entire phase of the trial in secret. Check out this View attachment 67610

Let's just play along with them that they verbally asked 14 folks to testify.
Now we learn that Kirk Nurmi and Jen Wilmott did not even start step two ( if one assumes these folks refused to come willingly )....
send out the 14 subpoenas! The judge let them know what she thinks of their nonsense in her ruling denying their 17 motions.
http://archive.azcentral.com/persistent/icimages/news/CR2008-031021-001DT-019-01142015.pdf
BAAAAAM!

This long stunt of their is , Mr. Nurmi's favorite word, egregious.

There is a very specific legal procedure one must follow to subpoena an out of state witness. We know Jen/Nurmi are very well aware of how to do it; because, they complained about it regarding Sky Hughes in a pre trial hearing.

In that hearing, a beautiful moment for justice for Travis happened. Kirk Nurmi asked of
Chris Hughes

"If you were called to testify on Miss Arias' behalf, would you be happy about it?"
"No. I would not" Travis Alexander's resolute best friend replied.
"Why is that?" Nurmi asked.

Chris Hughes spoke out for his beloved little brother and dear friend, Travis,
"Because she murdered my friend, in cold blood."

http://youtu.be/z4bTzT-c0DI?t=49m38s


In the entire matter of the State of Arizona vs. Jodi Ann Arias that is the truest answer ever spoken from the witness chair.

Seinfeld!! Lol. Nurmi doesn't even want to call those witnesses. He's playing games. He knows they'd break on cross.

 

[rose222]

Seinfeld!! Lol. Nurmi doesn't even want to call those witnesses. He's playing games. He knows they'd break on cross.

OT. Seinfeld :loveyou: I watched a lot of Seinfeld during the last trial. It's amazing what a hot bath, laughter and a little milk/bedtime snack can do for mild insomnia.

 

[daisydomino]

Just read on Beth Karas' site about what will happen if JA does not get back on the stand.

• JSS would not have to strike her testimony because of the different rules in this penalty phase of the trial
• Juan Martinez would not be able to cross examine her, yet the jury will be allowed to consider her testibaloney
• Juan Martizez could still use her testimony from the first trial, possibly by playing clips of the FTR court video for the jury
• The defense could use video surrebuttal (I cannot imagine that would help them, but who knows!)

Beth's source: Maria Schaffer.

Last time I looked, our poll is still hovering around 50/50
Vote: http://goo.gl/forms/stSX3yp01j
View results: http://goo.gl/xCnTB5

 

[ZoeyW]

The "out-of-state" witness is Marc McGee, who convieniently lives in New Zealand, so that it's not easy for him to be cross-examined by Juan, yet he can get on the Internet and spout all his claims!

Yes, we have the entire file on him. I am just trying to verify a few things about what I have been given before I post it publicly. My favorite quote from Ronald Reagan "Trust, but VERIFY". As for him being out of the county....The church lady says it best http://youtu.be/Jm3zV1pCTQ8

 

[pocketaccent]

I don't get why him having child even on his computer would make one bit of difference in the task they have before them. SHE IS GUILTY and they must accept that. So if he DID have child on his computer she should only get life? I do not understand that at all.

Nurmi was arguing it is possible Travis had child on his computer -> If he did, Jodi wasn't lying ->but mean Martinez called her a liar during the previous trial -> That's part of the reason the previous jury convicted her -> therefore her conviction should be overturned.
Anyway there's no child on the computer, so Nurmi failed to edify Jodi/de-edify Martinez once again.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Played a few of the clips I hadn't remembered seeing, and this was one. Gayla Lynch repeatedly refers to a person in this story as "the manager" and avoids pronouns, but unless I'm hearing it wrong @ about the 2:30 mark, the manager is referred to as she. This manager JA was dating and who picked a fight w/her in this story was a woman?


Re bolded part, I would imagine there are quite a few new spikes decorating her office after filing that motion and later finding out who actually controlled the computer on 6/19...

Yes, it's pretty obvious why they're fighting to keep DeMarte off the stand. Wonder who will get the pleasure of questioning her this time around now that she's allowed to testify to hearsay?

Jodi sent Gayla a postcard on 2- 15 2013 - when she was on the stand - and tells her that she, Jodi, will try to make a three way phone call to her. She tells her how bubbly Gayla is Gayla lived in Yreka.


Also I lost the post that mentioned the backward B above someone name. That made me think of all the symbols and meanings in Jodi's' journals. I've gone back to re read them and I keep finding things that are bizarre. Maybe she doing voodoo or witchcraft on that person? The LOA or who knows what BS goes through her head,


On August 3,2007 she writes that she is in Mesa and that is where she's going to live. And the many times she want to kill herself. Several times in September and October. She also writes how grateful and how much she loves her mom and dad, her grandparents and how they raised her

 

[Val1]

As usual, when ZoeyW post something it takes me down memory lane once again. I have so enjoyed all of Zoey's posts and how they are each packed with so much information and so well thought out.

So this morning I clicked on one of the links that was provided. It was the one where Juan is asking Dr. DeMarte questions. During this thorough examination he covered the text messages, emails, IMs etc. Not only did Juan make it clear that many thousands of messages had been sent between them but Dr. DeMarte did as well. She told the jury that the only time Travis reacted with unkind words is when he felt Jodi had either betrayed him or hurt him or lied to him. She said she did not feel Travis was emotionally abusive because if all of the thousands of messages back and forth were taken into consideration in their entirety the unkind words were not consistent with emotional abuse and only happened when he was very upset with Jodi about something she had done to him.

So I think with this being a younger jury they will understand it even better than the first jury.

I agree, but only if this jury gets to hear this testimony... I don't believe they have as yet.

 

[T-4-2]

Who will Jodi have to tell her stories to?

Her pet spiders.

I guess they can breathe easy, since, as we know, she doesn't kill spiders. She might bore them to death, though. Then again she might have another one of her totally "out of character" moments and hack them to pieces. Or pull their legs off one by one. "He loves me, he loves me, he loves me, he loves me, he loves me, he loves me, he loves me, he loves me. Yay!"

In Charlotte's Web, Charlotte spun the words "some pig" into her web in order to save Wilbur's (the pig's) life. What would Jodi's spiders say? "Die B*tch Die" maybe? Or perhaps just "Cancun." Or "3HW."

Jeeze. This is just a rhetorical question of course (because, Jodi), but how can she go on and on... and on... about how murdering Travis so brutally is just not who she really is so please don't give her the DP? Of course it's who she really is! Duh!

"Out of character" for me is giving someone a dirty look that they can actually see (I do it behind people's backs almost constantly), eating candy for dinner, wearing something in public that I know has a stain on it (honestly sometimes I just really can't be bothered). You don't get to stab someone almost 30 times, nearly decapitate them, and shoot them in the head, then say you just don't know what came over you and you wish you'd handled the situation differently. Is this the "hindsight's 20/20" defense? (Like Jodi's eyesight?)

Back to the (hopefully venomous) spiders... I bet Jodi would freak them out so badly that they'd scream for a guard to come in and do the ol' squish-n-flush. I doubt anyone would complain.

http://www.spiders.us/species/filter/arizona/

.....
ETA, from the above website: "Longlegged Sac Spiders are pale green, tan, or yellow nocturnal hunting spiders with very long front legs. Native to Southern Europe, this spider has made its way into North America, where it is now fairly widespread. It is commonly found indoors, where it prowls walls and ceilings at night looking for prey or mates."

BBM. Remind you of anyone?

 

[geevee]

I just read the 13th Juror summary about trial day 23 and the June 1, 2008 date stood out to me. As I recall that is the date Jodi claimed to have cut her finger on the margarita glass at work. In regards to the computer searches & June 1, 2008 that is being discussed in court recently, I am confused. The 13th Juror implies that jurors will want to know who was on the computer on this day. Does anyone remember anything of significance with this June 1, 2008 date?

IIRC, per Sue's testimony June 1, 2008 was the day a site was accessed on the computer.

But he also testified the 'computer was wiped on June 1st' so which came first, the site viewing or the wiping? Searching to see if a video of he and JA was actually posted on YouPorn, and then decontaminating by wiping it? I'm so curious about this wiping, did Juror 13 ever post a rundown of Mr. Smith's first day on the stand? He gives so much more detail than the tweeters, maybe we can piece some of it together through 13.

 

[5bigfish5]

Maria is only where she is by virtue of what Jodi is entitled to, and the fact Jodi likes (<----read) manipulates, fools, USES her. She has in essence made herself indispensable. Easy, if not funny money, if you ask me.

Personally, I don't think another "mitigation specialist" would be willing to go to the extents this one has, in the pursuit of career suicide.

 

[5bigfish5]

I rewatched Dectective Flores/Arias both days & the killer answering jury questions this morning, along with a touch of Demarte & Wilmott exchange. I swear I saw smoke coming out of Wilmott's ears during JD/JW cross examination. Demarte REALLY gets to Wilmott. The clip I watched was not the Wilmott calling Dr. Demarte a "bi*@h" under her breath, may watch that later. Can't wait for Dr Demarte to succinctly sum up the sociopath who is the killer. Maybe the Nurms will do her cross as I don't think Wilmott can keep it together with Janine.

The real beauty of this game, is DeMarte HAS matured since phase one. Willmott has, if anything regressed. 'Tude never shook DeMarte the first time and it certainly won't this time.

No wonder they are trying so hard to keep her off the stand.