Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[MarVa]

Dr. Samuels "Perhaps I should have re-administered that test."

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=48m39s

Hi ZoeyW,

I'm fascinated by your encyclopedic knowledge of this case and have been speculating about any possible connection you may have to it. Anyway, I don't want to invade your privacy. Your posts are riveting.

 

[garthmax]

Juan is saying the changes did not happen at 11:00 PM AZ time but at 11:00 UTC. That's about 7 hours ahead of MST, which lines up with when the computer was checked out and being viewed by the defense. That's why when Nurmi was saying no amount of math matters. Well, yeah it does. Because one looks oddly suspicious and one is in sync with when the modifications occurred on June 19th when the computer turns on.

BN testified the computer was only on for 12 minutes before they ripped the cord out of the wall. Now JS is throwing out different times and his assertion that modifications were made at 11 doesn't make sense. If the computer was turned on again it would show that. That's why Juan and Flores were saying you can't make changes to a computer while it's off.

I hope the jury understood that; however, Juan will make it a point when his expert takes the stand. I found it interesting about the autopsy not being verified. I just judged an elementary school science fair and 90% of their experiments were verified. Another thing is anyone can develop a computer program.

 

[bsk]

Dr. Samuels "Perhaps I should have re-administered that test."

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=48m39s

That moment summed up the entire debacle of Samuels' testimony.

 

[LinasK]

Since her "injured" finger is somtimes flat, sometimes bent, I've always wondered about double-jointedness. https://www.google.com/search?q=dou...jdoASI5IHwAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1097&bih=576

I agree, she's double-jointed. Ryan Burns said she came with bandages on her fingers, so yeah she injured it by cutting herself with the knife, but for Juan she was using her ability to be double-jointed. My daughter & I have the same ability.

 

[ZoeyW]

It was funny to watch JSS. She was speaking on the fly and considering her words carefully. You could picture her mind churning as she was thinking: "How do I say in a way that won't be appealable that if you wouldn't put liars on the stand they wouldn't face such a grilling from the state?"

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

 

[LinTX]

They eye rolls heard around the world

http://youtu.be/Ou3Hk0_wF5c

Notice how the "dark day" is not when she murdered TA, but it's when she was found guilty...

 

[bsk]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

I agree - Nothing much sounded remarkable about her story re her parents. It was no doubt embellished quite a bit. Her reaction seemed extreme - moving out at age 17 and dropping out of high school. I don't imagine her parents were 100% angelic, but who is?

 

[Nali87]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

Well, my cousin has younger kids now and she still spanks them when they really act out. Not with a wooden spoon, but they'll get spanked. But she was actually told by a teacher that she shouldn't discipline that way. Actually in Netherlands they now ask the kids if they get spanked at home and call the parents for a meeting to discuss it. Here it's a cultural thing as well, white parents don't usually spank, blacks, latinos and other immigrants do, still.

I got spanked when I was younger, once. My mother cried afterwards lol!

 

[Tulessa]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

And I just bet, that you broke the thinnest, longest switch. And how fast we to get one TO GET THAT one SWITCH. Those long thin ones were murder. :roflmao:

 

[Nali87]

I agree - Nothing much sounded remarkable about her story re her parents. It was no doubt embellished quite a bit. Her reaction seemed extreme - moving out at age 17 and dropping out of high school. I don't imagine her parents were 100% angelic, but who is?

I know right. She said when the two younger kids were born they stopped doing fun things as a family and she received less attention. I mean, hello! Mom and dad had a business and now four kids to look after. You're not going to get as much "quality time" as before. Next to that, no parent is perfect.

She's making what sounds to me as a pretty normal upbringing sounds worse than it was. The only reason I'm inclined to agree that her parents were quick to spank was because her brother somehow said the same in his interview with KN and JM. But again, I wouldn't consider it child abuse.

 

[katydid23]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

My wonderful Irish Grandmother, who was the mother of 10 kids, had a very large wooden spoon which hung on the kitchen wall. I don't remember seeing her actually spank any of her young kids ---[ my mom was the oldest child so I was almost the same age as the younger ones]-----

But all she had to do was reach for it slowly and the 'misbehaving' child would say " OK, I AM SORRY.." lol I really do not think it is all that 'abusive' to spank a misbehaving child. I did not spank mine, but my cousin spanked her 3 sons, and they often deserved it. LOL They are all upstanding, happy grown ups now so I guess it worked.

 

[ZoeyW]

Tony Hughes recounts a time ( just a few days before Travis was murdered by Jodi )Travis was due to give a live speech for PPL and he was trying to figure out where his reliable pal was. Finally he hears from Travis who is distraught . Travis has Jodi out in the parking lot having an argument with Jodi, confronting her for slashing his tires, again.

Travis stayed over with Tony and his family. They had a long talk about all the horrible things he had been going through and how relieved he was that Jodi finally agreed to move back home. It is heartbreaking to know just a few days later he would be dead.

http://youtu.be/lqNxJ1DU4Uw?list=PLDPHBTvpaRXgs8DzmU2d0f-H8JNUhXW6A

I know a lot of folks make fun on HLN. Not me. I think it is largely thanks to HLN, Dr. Drew, Vinnie Politan, Nancy, Jane, et al and so many friends of Travis' they brought on so very often to tell the truth that the whole world came to know THE REAL TRAVIS ALEXANDER. It has mattered.

America kind of adopted the Alexanders. They are prayed for in homes all over America, and even internationally. So I thank HLN. Thank you to all of you folks here who have followed the case and researched and supported the family for what has turned into years. I marvel at your devotion. It is humbling to watch people who don't even know one another come together and stand with this family. In the absence of their parents their situation just cries out for good people to speak up. I know they read here and appreciate you. Jodi's lies will not stand. We fight the good fight.

 

[ZoeyW]

And I just bet, that you broke the thinnest, longest switch. And how fast we to get one TO GET THAT one SWITCH. Those long thin ones were murder. :roflmao:

We tried that, then SHE would go select it. As most of you say...we knew she was not one to give empty threats so we rarely ever did get spanked. Just the fear of God (Mom) worked wonders.

 

[rose222]

I am not going to spank my (future) kids but that's just because it doesn't gel with the kind of parenting style I have in mind. I certainly do not believe that old-fashioned spankings constitute abuse.

In any case, wooden spoon spankings pale in comparison to hitting your little brother with a baseball bat. Now, that's bone-chilling.

 

[krkrjx]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

Yep, a swat with a spoon or paddle or a flyswatter would have been acceptable. And back then families were larger and things had to be nipped in the bud--kids were expected to follow rules and there were consequences if they didn't. Certainly there was abuse, some of which was pretty horrific, and likely as much or possibly even more prevalent than today--you just didn't hear about it back then because no one broadcast their personal goings-on outside the home, and there was no internet where it could be blogged about.

I do not believe in hitting as a first recourse but IMO what forms the line between abuse and discipline is what the action is intended to accomplish. If the intent was to teach, a parent usually had control over how heavy-handed to be. If the intent was to hurt, that is abuse no matter what generation you are from.

Abuse can be more than just physical but Nurmi seems to need to make a big deal about this wooden spoon nonsense and really, there is no way anyone can know whether Mom and Dad Arias didn't try other means of keeping their kids in line that just didn't work as well as a quick swat or two proved to. I mean, can you imagine having the task of taming a child like Jodi, who has probably been brat extraordinaire from a very early age? Considering all she has done to others who she feels betrayed or angered her I think both her parents are lucky to be alive today, to be honest.

 

[Truth Detector]

That's not the moral I take away from this case.

It's more along the lines of:

~ Don't forfeit your life to a __________ with a knife. ~

Where your choice of descriptors should rhyme with "blank".

Dr. MF prefers "shank".

I think the mods have outlawed that other word in this case, but Dr. MF almost got it.

Perhaps, like our fellow WS'er Becky Sharp, she had a keyboard failure and had to replace her "k" with an "h".

 

[Love Never Fails]

Speaking of spanking and being politically correct. Zoey I appreciate you saying when you know better, you do better. Well, my mom used a switch from a tree or my dad's thin leather belt and if we moved it went down our legs. My own children are now in their forties. But I hate that people think not spanking a child makes them a better person or that speaking them is abuse. The Bible is God's honored word. It says "spare the rod, spoil the child". You do not spank when you are angry. But when you see a toddler run into the road you don't say, "oh sweetie, come here. You might get ran over". You grab that child up and swat them on their behind and make a point that they know it's wrong. At least you would if you love your child. We have too many dead children because parents don't care enough to correct them. That isnt abuse. (Abusers are abusers because they are insane. Those people should be locked away.) But the parent that chastises and corrects and teaches and spanks their child is a parent who loves them. I thank God every day for my precious mother and dad. They weren't ignorant. They followed God's word.

Jodi Arias was NEVER abused. She was BORN evil.

 

[ZoeyW]

I am not going to spank my (future) kids but that's just because it doesn't gel with the kind of parenting style I have in mind. I certainly do not believe that old-fashioned spankings constitute abuse.

In any case, wooden spoon spankings pale in comparison to hitting your little brother with a baseball bat. Now, that's bone-chilling.

WOW, that just stopped me cold. You are right. I think how fast that comparison came to your mind is a perfect example of why Jen/Nurmi will not be calling any phantom 14 witnesses to the stand. Anyone in her family or that knew her could be asked questions like that, or about her cruelty to the dog, the cat. Only God knows how many things Juan Martinez is aware of that the public hasn't heard yet. I don't think we are going to be hearing from ANYONE in her family.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yep, a swat with a spoon or paddle or a flyswatter would have been acceptable. And back then families were larger and things had to be nipped in the bud--kids were expected to follow rules and there were consequences if they didn't. Certainly there was abuse, some of which is pretty horrific and likely as much or possibly even more prevalent than today--you just didn't hear about it back then because no one broadcast their personal goings-on outside the home, and there was no internet where it could be blogged about.

I do not believe in hitting as a first recourse but IMO what forms the line between abuse and discipline is what the action is intended to accomplish. If the intent was to teach, a parent usually had control over how heavy-handed to be. If the intent was to hurt, that is abuse no matter what generation you are from.

Abuse can be more than just physical but Nurmi seems to need to make a big deal about this wooden spoon nonsense and really, there is no way anyone can know whether Mom and Dad Arias didn't try other means of keeping their kids in line that just didn't work as well as a quick swat or two proved to. I mean, can you imagine having the task of taming a child like Jodi, who has probably been brat extraordinaire from a very early age? Considering all she has done to others who she feels betrayed or angered her I think both her parents are lucky to be alive today, to be honest.

Krkrjx, I have to differ a bit with your statement about abuse years ago. We didn't have Internet but we also didn't have air conditioning. We never locked our doors or windows. And our windows were up all night. And there was at least one woman in every neighborhood who knew every good or sordid detail about every family. And it got around. Most people had party lines on their phone. Nothing was hidden. So if there was abuse it was NOT hidden. But the world is more populated now. People stay locked up in their homes. There is more abuse, more drug use, more murder, more child murders, more of everything. People were just more decent. And children were more well behaved and more respectful.

 

[Truth Detector]

I am not going to spank my (future) kids but that's just because it doesn't gel with the kind of parenting style I have in mind. I certainly do not believe that old-fashioned spankings constitute abuse.

In any case, wooden spoon spankings pale in comparison to hitting your little brother with a baseball bat. Now, that's bone-chilling.

BBM

Not to mention knot-raising...​