Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[krkrjx]

WOW, that just stopped me cold. You are right. I think how fast that comparison came to your mind is a perfect example of why Jen/Nurmi will not be calling any phantom 14 witnesses to the stand. Anyone in her family or that knew her could be asked questions like that, or about her cruelty to the dog, the cat. Only God knows how many things Juan Martinez is aware of that the public hasn't heard yet. I don't think we are going to be hearing from ANYONE in her family.

I don't think that baseball bat incident has been brought up in court, has it? Likely it would be ruled as inadmissible because it would make Jodi look bad. Can't allow anything like that now, can we.

What is interesting though is that anytime someone did Jodi wrong--even way back then--is fair game. Not only is it allowed but the jury instructions will have them considering it, even if it is uncorroborated.

 

[Truth Detector]

I don't think that baseball bat incident has been brought up in court, has it? Likely it would be ruled as inadmissible because it would make Jodi look bad. Can't allow anything like that now, can we.

What is interesting though is that anytime someone did Jodi wrong--even way back then--is fair game. Not only is it allowed but the jury instructions will have them considering it, even if it is uncorroborated.

BBM

Especially if it is uncorroborated, for then it can't be disproven.

 

[Truth Detector]

I know right. She said when the two younger kids were born they stopped doing fun things as a family and she received less attention. I mean, hello! Mom and dad had a business and now four kids to look after. You're not going to get as much "quality time" as before. Next to that, no parent is perfect.

She's making what sounds to me as a pretty normal upbringing sounds worse than it was. The only reason I'm inclined to agree that her parents were quick to spank was because her brother somehow said the same in his interview with KN and JM. But again, I wouldn't consider it child abuse.

BBM

Her parents should have known that it's all about Jodi.

I agree with the previous poster who finds it remarkable that her parents are still alive.

Hey, maybe that's mitigating factor #10; i.e., Jodi didn't butcher or shoot her parents.

 

[Nali87]

I think it will be either be DP or a mistrial. I don't think any jury will vote to give her life.

 

[LinasK]

I think it will be either be DP or a mistrial. I don't think any jury will vote to give her life.

Won't be a mistrial. If the jury doesn't vote to give her Death, JSS sentences her to life.

 

[Meemaw12]

@starknightz: @207shybear Here it is from HLNs "Show Biz" Jim @JimClemente brings up comparison of Arias to TED BUNDY https://t.co/3W56HsNIGA - #jodiarias


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[daisydomino]

I'm in the minority, I guess, of people who believe that it's never okay to hit a child for any reason. My parents did not believe in spanking, either. All of their children grew up with plenty of self discipline and respect for others.

That said, I don't believe JA was abused by her parents. I don't believe anyone—ever—choked her into unconsciousness and I have real doubts about the wooden spoons in her mom's purse and her mom's acrylic nails.

 

[Zuri]

Won't be a mistrial. If the jury doesn't vote to give her Death, JSS sentences her to life.

I agree. With all the disjointed aspects of testimony in this case, I don't see a jury sentencing her to death. But then again, JM has not put on his rebuttal case. IMO, at this point in time, the jury will recommend a sentence of LWOP. I just don't see the DP verdict being handed down. Hope I am wrong!

 

[MeeBee]

I think it will be either be DP or a mistrial. I don't think any jury will vote to give her life.

Agree. Death or hung jury.

 

[LinasK]

I agree. With all the disjointed aspects of testimony in this case, I don't see a jury sentencing her to death. But then again, JM has not put on his rebuttal case. IMO, at this point in time, the jury will recommend a sentence of LWOP. I just don't see the DP verdict being handed down. Hope I am wrong!

See I think JM will bat clean up and the jury will see through this mess. I don't think there is any choice but to give her death. If she doesn't deserve death for the heinous over kill and torture she put him through, who does??? Juan has put a woman on Death Row in AZ and I think he'll do it again.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I'm going back through Jodi's journal and when she was speaking to Det. Rachel Blaney ? and related a story about how kind Travis was.


Jodi's journal - volume 1 This is after she murdered Travis. Jodi no longer had her journas at that point. She asked Det. Flores if they had her journals, that they spanned the time of

I may have already done so in a previous journal: Travis and I were on our way to Canyon de Chelly after OKC 08, we stopped to get gas in Chinle AZ, and were approached by two or three starving dogs. We were shocked and moved by their condition. Travis was especially angry, as every Native American that walked in and out of the mini mart was overweight. yet their animals just like at Hauasupai ( spelling, I know it as half a soup pie) ,were so thin that their ribs could be seen. So we bought them a total of 7 cheeseburgers & divided them among a total of three dogs.

Which made me remember that I'd read this story before ;


interrogation of Jodi by Det. Rachel Blaney (?) in Yreka July 15, 2008

22:51
JA: He always did stuff like that (Jodi takes some toilet paper and wipes her nose). We pulled into this gas station once in Chinle, Arizona and saw this Navajo Indian, and nothing against that tribe, they’ve got a very rich culture but most Navajos that you meet they are really overweight and…but their animals are starving with their ribs sticking out, and it just made us feel so bad. Travis bought, well, we ended up splitting it, but Travis bought 7 cheeseburgers for three hungry dogs and one was a mother with puppies and they just wolfed them down. We felt better, but we just felt like we couldn’t do enough.


There is also an entry that is very telling - I'm still having some trouble at BK's site and am trying to get back to it. Jodi is writing about how she looks at other women. That she sees that they are the same as her, but she feel inferior to them. I think that is her building rage. Why not me.

 

[ZoeyW]

Speaking of spanking and being politically correct. Zoey I appreciate you saying when you know better, you do better. Well, my mom used a switch from a tree or my dad's thin leather belt and if we moved it went down our legs. My own children are now in their forties. But I hate that people think not spanking a child makes them a better person or that speaking them is abuse. The Bible is God's honored word. It says "spare the rod, spoil the child". You do not spank when you are angry. But when you see a toddler run into the road you don't say, "oh sweetie, come here. You might get ran over". You grab that child up and swat them on their behind and make a point that they know it's wrong. At least you would if you love your child. We have too many dead children because parents don't care enough to correct them. That isnt abuse. (Abusers are abusers because they are insane. Those people should be locked away.) But the parent that chastises and corrects and teaches and spanks their child is a parent who loves them. I thank God every day for my precious mother and dad. They weren't ignorant. They followed God's word.

Jodi Arias was NEVER abused. She was BORN evil.

I have started and erased and began again this post to you so many times. Your post stirred up so many emotions in me. I agree with every word you said. I am going to call my mom and tell her thank you for all the times she corrected me and all the times she hugged me and told me I was a precious, precious child of God. She taught me everything about how to treat people and most importantly how I deserve to be loved and honored and adored. I started to write a lot about what I don't think Jodi was ever taught. I don't want to do that because I have prayed for God to help me understand her life and what in the world how did this happen. I've got nothing wise to opine. I remain completely lost on that matter. I like the way you simplified it for me, she is just simply born evil. A really dear friend of mine is a minister and he has to get after me quite a bit in his humorous way that he has of handling me. He did tell me once that to believe in Jesus Christ being a living God, we must KNOW that also there is EVIL, living here among us too. With the hurting the dog and the cat and hitting the little brother with the baseball bat as a young girl I think we have evidence that indeed she was likely born this way. You are right.

I think if we were to hear more from Mom and Pop we would learn we have only heard the tip of the iceberg. The fact that they did not run after her and bring her back and get her butt back in school the very next school day at the age of 16 had me very confused.

We were spanked alright, but we WERE LOVED. At age 16 my best friend and I missed our ride home from the mall and wound up getting home about two hours later than mom was expecting us. It was evening and winter and very very cold and dark already. My mom called every one we knew and had them all out, looking for us. I get teased about it to this day; because my mom looked quite the sight. She was in her nightclothes, a gawdy floral robe ( Think Mrs. Roper robes from Three's Company ), a scarf and winter coat thrown over it. And slippers! She fully expected everyone to jump up and get in their cars and join the search and they all did when she showed up on their door. Times hadn't changed since we were kids. Everyone knew her, was a little scared of her , but loved her so. No one was getting any rest that night until "the girls" were safe.....and all we were was late.

When Jodi testified that she left to move out with Bobby the drop out and she dropped out too and no one came after her, I recall thinking, my family would have fought harder to bring a lost dog back home than her family cared about her future. I just cannot wrap my head around it. The only thing I can think of is she must have been so bad they were somehow relieved to see her go.

Looking back on your post I realize the reason I am grateful that my mom spanked us. I have come to understand now what I never could as a child. One has to CARE about that child's future to want to correct them. It is humbling when we realize everything our parents ever did was out of love and a beautiful hope for our future as happy, healthy adults. So it turns out she wasn't out in that ridiculous bathrobe going to my friends' homes just to embarrass me.

I think I'll go call my mom and tell her about my wise new friend, from Indiana.

 

[LinasK]

I'm going back through Jodi's journal and when she was speaking to Det. Rachel Blaney ? and related a story about how kind Travis was.


Jodi's journal - volume 1

I may have already done so in a previous journal: Travis and I were on our way to Canyon de Chelly after OKC 08, we stopped to get gas in Chinle AZ, and were approached by two or three starving dogs. We were shocked and moved by their condition. Travis was especially angry, as every Native American that walked in and out of the mini mart was overweight. yet their animals just like at Hauasupai ( spelling, I know it as half a soup pie) ,were so thin that their ribs could be seen. So we bought them a total of 7 cheeseburgers & divided them among a total of three dogs.

Which made me remember that I'd read this story before ;


nterrogation of Jodi by Det. Rachel Blaney (?) in Yreka July 15, 2008

22:51
JA: He always did stuff like that (Jodi takes some toilet paper and wipes her nose). We pulled into this gas station once in Chinle, Arizona and saw this Navajo Indian, and nothing against that tribe, they’ve got a very rich culture but most Navajos that you meet they are really overweight and…but their animals are starving with their ribs sticking out, and it just made us feel so bad. Travis bought, well, we ended up splitting it, but Travis bought 7 cheeseburgers for three hungry dogs and one was a mother with puppies and they just wolfed them down. We felt better, but we just felt like we couldn’t do enough.


There is also an entry that is very telling - I'm still having some trouble at BK's site and am trying to get back to it. Jodi is writing about how she looks at other women. That she sees that they are the same as her, but she feel inferior to them. I think that is her building rage. Why not me.

Yeah,right. Puleeeease! St. Jodi of Arias, patron saint of the animals. Tell that to Doggy Boy and the cat she nearly starved to death.:sick:uke:uke:uke:

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm in the minority, I guess, of people who believe that it's never okay to hit a child for any reason. My parents did not believe in spanking, either. All of their children grew up with plenty of self discipline and respect for others.

That said, I don't believe JA was abused by her parents. I don't believe anyone—ever—choked her into unconsciousness and I have real doubts about the wooden spoons in her mom's purse and her mom's acrylic nails.

Thats perfectly alright daisy. I only got two spankings. One by my dad with a leather belt. Ouch. And one with the switch by my mother. Believe me, I DESERVED both. But they never had to do it more than once each. I was also the youngest of six kids, so I learned by observing. . My mom also washed out my brothers mouths with soap for even using slang language in our home. I never went through that either because I watched and learned. We all laugh about it now. Dad is gone on. My mom is 96.

Jodi wasn't abused by the guys she dated or by her parents. She is just a mean, nasty woman. Her parents must be appalled by her accusations. It is time they stepped up and called her out for being a liar. But they are another pair of Anthony's. Juan Martinez, on the other hand, will have no problem calling her what she is.

 

[rose222]

See I think JM will bat clean up and the jury will see through this mess. I don't think there is any choice but to give her death. If she doesn't deserve death for the heinous over kill and torture she put him through, who does??? Juan has put a woman on Death Row in AZ and I think he'll do it again.

I think your optimism is rubbing off on me, LinasK. I'm still worried about the delays but I do think that this jury will give us a verdict of death.

 

[ShadyLady]

I disagree. When Flores asked what kind of injuries Jodi sustained during her harrowing run-in with the ninjas, she pointed out only one, some serious damage to her left ring finger. She laid it out and showed a fresh, healing purple cut, said it seriously hurt for a long time and that it's been messed up ever since. The way it hangs and will not straighten is a tell-tale sign of a tendon injury or tear. She said she got it when the female ninja slashed at her.

Imo, she got this injury while killing Travis. The knife slipped and sliced her finger, severing the tendon. She never got treatment for it and it is permanently damaged. Flores even tells her that's what it looks like.

I know it was cut when she showed it to Flores, but I think it looks worse now. That's why I think she could have intentionally made it look worse after she was arrested, but maybe like you said, as it healed it got bent more.

 

[Koshka]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

Absolutely not where I grew up. Kids were (rarely) spanked by their parent's hand, but hitting a child with anything else was seen as unacceptable - though not unheard of. And I worked in a school in the 80s and teacher or principal would have been fired for using a wooden paddle (or any such instrument) on a student. Rightly, so, IMO.

 

[Madeleine74]

WHY doesn't Jodi realize that the crazy, minute details only make her sound more ridiculous? {snipped for space}

It would be so much more convenient if cuckoo-cray-cray types only realized they were cray-cray and would just stop or shut up. But do they ever? Never seen one that said "Yeah, I'm kinda crazy & I think I'll just sit here and stop doing what I'm doing because no one appreciates a crazy person and it's not really helping me."

 

[Tulessa]

I'm in the minority, I guess, of people who believe that it's never okay to hit a child for any reason. My parents did not believe in spanking, either. All of their children grew up with plenty of self discipline and respect for others.

That said, I don't believe JA was abused by her parents. I don't believe anyone—ever—choked her into unconsciousness and I have real doubts about the wooden spoons in her mom's purse and her mom's acrylic nails.

Same here, I cherished mine. < is in Travis's corner.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I have started and erased and began again this post to you so many times. Your post stirred up so many emotions in me. I agree with every word you said. I am going to call my mom and tell her thank you for all the times she corrected me and all the times she hugged me and told me I was a precious, precious child of God. She taught me everything about how to treat people and most importantly how I deserve to be loved and honored and adored. I started to write a lot about what I don't think Jodi was ever taught. I don't want to do that because I have prayed for God to help me understand her life and what in the world how did this happen. I've got nothing wise to opine. I remain completely lost on that matter. I like the way you simplified it for me, she is just simply born evil. A really dear friend of mine is a minister and he has to get after me quite a bit in his humorous way that he has of handling me. He did tell me once that to believe in Jesus Christ being a living God, we must KNOW that also there is EVIL, living here among us too. With the hurting the dog and the cat and hitting the little brother with the baseball bat as a young girl I think we have evidence that indeed she was likely born this way. You are right.

I think if we were to hear more from Mom and Pop we would learn we have only heard the tip of the iceberg. The fact that they did not run after her and bring her back and get her butt back in school the very next school day at the age of 16 had me very confused.

We were spanked alright, but we WERE LOVED. At age 16 my best friend and I missed our ride home from the mall and wound up getting home about two hours later than mom was expecting us. It was evening and winter and very very cold and dark already. My mom called every one we knew and had them all out, looking for us. I get teased about it to this day; because my mom looked quite the sight. She was in her nightclothes, a gawdy floral robe ( Think Mrs. Roper robes from Three's Company ), a scarf and winter coat thrown over it. And slippers! She fully expected everyone to jump up and get in their cars and join the search and they all did when she showed up on their door. Times hadn't changed since we were kids. Everyone knew her, was a little scared of her , but loved her so. No one was getting any rest that night until "the girls" were safe.....and all we were was late.

When Jodi testified that she left to move out with Bobby the drop out and she dropped out too and no one came after her, I recall thinking, my family would have fought harder to bring a lost dog back home than her family cared about her future. I just cannot wrap my head around it. The only thing I can think of is she must have been so bad they were somehow relieved to see her go.

Looking back on your post I realize the reason I am grateful that my mom spanked us. I have come to understand now what I never could as a child. One has to CARE about that child's future to want to correct them. It is humbling when we realize everything our parents ever did was out of love and a beautiful hope for our future as happy, healthy adults. So it turns out she wasn't out in that ridiculous bathrobe going to my friends' homes just to embarrass me.

I think I'll go call my mom and tell her about my wise new friend, from Indiana.

Zoey, I had to sit and cry a little just thinking of what you just wrote. That was the point I wanted to get across to anyone reading this. If you love your child, you will correct them and yes, spank them, only when it is warranted. It you don't, you will allow them to disrespect you, run over you, make their own decision when they are too young to do so, and they will not feel you care. It is human nature, even as an adult to want to respect another person. If that person runs all over you and you allow it, you are asking for trouble.

All the psychologists are trying to say Jodi allowed others to run over her. It is really quite the opposite. I tell people when my mom or dad said jump, we said how high? They never abused us, always loved us, fed us well, hugged us, made us work hard, taught us the Bible was God's blueprint for life. I like your minister friend. There is indeed evil on earth. Travis found out. He spent a lot of time trying to appease Jodi.

I cannot imagine what life with Jodi was like for her parents. But I do believe they never spanked her, never corrected her. I think the wooden spoon story by Jodi and her brother, was something her mom threatened because she was afraid to spank their backsides. That kind of shows in them calling the police when she was growing pot on the roof. Why didn't they handle that with a good spanking? Nope. I think they didn't know what to do because she had never received correction from them. I think Jodi was their special child, always got away with anything. Then when they had her brother and the two little ones, it was all just too much and they were overwhelmed. Jodi made her own rules, her own decisions and was like a ship without a sail. That's what I really believed happened. Given that she was born evil, I don't know how much they could have controlled the outcome. She would still be a psychopath but maybe not a murderer. Someone posted earlier that her parents are lucky to be alive and not slaughtered. I think that's a true assessment.
Yes, please do call your mom. She sounds like a wonderful lady.