Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[MeeBee]

IIRC that woman was an anti-illegals extremist who'd organized a hit that resulted in the death of a father and his child. I think there was a death of a child in all the AZ death row females' cases, except the one whose youngish husband wasn't dying from cancer fast enough to suit her, so she poisoned him and beat him to death with a chair to finish him off.

Yes, all two out of three of the death row female cases lol. And Debra Milke, who was convicted of killing her child, was just released. So now it's just Shawna Forde and Wendi Andriano, who killed her dying husband and was prosecuted by Juan.

 

[Niner]

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Hey SteelyDan - here's how they were going to split California up.

 

[LinasK]

O/T
Hey SteelyDan - here's how they were going to split California up.

Yreka has signs and books proclaiming they are Jefferson. I was there in August. Wonder what they did with them???

 

[Caylee Advocate]

MARTINEZ: Right. You wouldn`t see it that way, because you have feelings for the defendant, right?

SAMUELS: I beg your pardon, sir.

 

[ZoeyW]

I have forgotten. Who is Dr. Hayes? Thanks.

Dr. Jill Hayes , PHD final witness
http://youtu.be/EoH54JODwMQ?t=21m40s



( Dr. Hayes is the one who laughed aloud at the Tigers/Bears and lying questions. )

She said aloud what the whole world was thinking ......."No. I think that is just common sense" explaining that if the person is lying on the test of course it must be set aside as invalid.

She took Jen to school about a number of things including floating profiles,Jen thought this was no longer valid, Geffner thought that. She sorted out that the expert on them is a Dr Strong, not Dr. Gatchell that Jen/Geffner were so extremely certain it was.

She disproved Jen's assertion that Dr. De Marte scored tests wrong and had a poor understanding of the tests. Indeed she confirmed Dr. De Marte's position. Jen argued with her. She shut her down by quoting the test publisher who she spoke to prior to trial. )

 

[RickshawFan]

Thanks! And my apologies to your husband. Whatever Jodi variation she's trying to portray, Jodi always talks too much, in the same crazy way, kind of like a runaway train. I don't know, maybe it's a symptom of her psychopathy -- throwing out detail after detail, true or not, just seeing what gets a reaction. Or she switches over to Channel 2, aka the "I don't remember" channel. But in general we just get so much of the same crap over and over all the time, she makes herself an easy target for satire. Not to take away from the seriousness and cruelty of her crime and her complete lack of humanity.

I'll always think of her as the champion of "duh duh duh duh duh.....", Jodi Ditto. IIRC she used that "phrase" several times in the interrogation of EF. She also lurves to do "air quotes".

 

[MsJosie]

I have a question...hope it okay to ask it here as the AZlawyer and other lawyers read here. Is there any time limit in the final defense rebuttal or in any final 'speech' FJA wants to give?


The defense can talk for weeks on a rebuttal and we know FJA can talk for days. I would think a time limit could be given. Talking to long can lose the jury.

I thought there was one given in Anthony case in Florida. It might be up to each state or court?

Thanks

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Funny. My children grew up in the 80's. And the principals in all the schools had paddles and the support of parents touse them if needed. Most had parents who took care of the spanking and it wasn't needed. No school shootings, knifings, and such.

Was that when you where still in Texas? Might be the difference. We got spanked and switched, and each was a learning lesson. It was a few smacks on the butt or a switch to the legs, and I knew I'd wouldn't do it again. My first grade teacher grabbed me by the arm and smacked me on the butt the first day of school. I'd seen my sister and her second grade class at the water fountain and walked out the door to see her. It was no big deal this was in Moore Oklahoma 1957.

Jodi says in too many place that her upbringing was nice, piano and karate lessons, and a very loving parents and grandparents. I think Jodi did get smacked, and it was the only way Sandy knew how to deal with her. Jodi doesn't see that she was the cause of the wooden spoon being used

 

[katydid23]

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Hey SteelyDan - here's how they were going to split California up.

I don't think it will ever happen. :no:

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I have a question...hope it okay to ask it here as the AZlawyer and other lawyers read here. Is there any time limit in the final defense rebuttal or in any final 'speech' FJA wants to give?


The defense can talk for weeks on a rebuttal and we know FJA can talk for days. I would think a time limit could be given. Talking to long can lose the jury.

I thought there was one given in Anthony case in Florida. It might be up to each state or court?

Thanks

Usually , the state and defense are given the same amount of time, with the state going first, not using all their time, then the defense who has to use or lose all their time, then the state again in closing. I think the closing in the case in our family was two hours.

 

[ZoeyW]

Dr. De Marte explaining why it was so crazy out of bounds that Samuels gave JA a book and
ALV gave her three books

http://youtu.be/JKa6MxK9FOg?t=25m20s

"That's inappropriate. That is creating a multiple relationship. You are not to influence the person in any kind of way. I would be concerned of how that book would change the way they answer questions on the testing and in the interviews. They may learn new info to give the false pretense that they have something they do not."

I'll say.

 

[ZoeyW]

Sidebar Juan Martinez talking about Jodi Arias squeezing the cat out of anger and kicked the dog http://youtu.be/2OBdP3QydW0

 

[T-4-2]

I too believe the killer was about to take off from Yreka with the intent of murdering someone else. Why purchase a 9mm gun when you have no money to your name, rent a car, and be packing your belongings in that rental car. And knives hidden in books she said were Darryl's or Matt's or whoever. Who does that? She actually bought the gun, waited the required 10 day period & registered it. What was to be her next move? I too have my theories on her next victims but won't speculate. Thank heavens she was under police surveillance while in Yreka as it is my understanding that is why they decided to pick her up and arrest her, because she was about to leave town. I wonder where or how she got the money to buy a $600 gun & pay for registration. This was only 5-6 weeks after Travis' murder. Even her mom & dad knew she boughta gun. Bizarre.

A few recollections from her initial interrogation with Det. Flores (sorry, no specifics):

- one of her New Year's resolutions that year was to get over her fear of hand guns
- a guy at some gun range was going to teach her to shoot
- she didn't know her grandfather had guns (prior to "the burglary")
- she didn't know what a 25 auto looks like, but she knew what a 22 looks like
- too many changing details about "Travis' gun" for me to recall offhand
- she didn't have a gun; not her own, not her grandfather's, and not Travis'
(- yes she did, maybe not anymore, and no such thing)
- on Day 2 of the interrogation she asks Det. Flores what kind of gun he's carrying
- then tells him she just bought a gun and that she was taking it somewhere

Also...

Over the course of the trial there were at least two insane "justifications" for her gun purchase: getting over her "fear of guns," and "I need protection for this camping trip I'm taking with a bunch of men I don't know."

She had hidden her own gun somewhere under the hood of her getaway rental car. (Successfully, since police released the car without finding the gun, then had to track down the car to search it again. IIRC.)

Among the stuff that was initially found in the car were condoms... interesting (to me, at least) only because in her case and in this particular scenario and given her history of plying her feminine/arachnoid wiles, I wonder if part of her escape plan was to trade (explicitely or otherwise) sex for money, stuff, help, whatever, along the way to wherever she was headed.

No doubt she had a hit list.

 

[Val1]

Perhaps someone close to her gave her money and actively assisted her to attempt to leave the country. That someone would not be able to testify for her because they would not be able to withstand Martinez's cross examination.

You mean like her mom? Didn't her dad say on that tape that they were forever giving JA money? Not small amounts either, iirc sometimes up to $2500.

I actually think she had likely robbed TA, again. When had his last Super Saturday been, isn't that when they get their cash bonuses that she referred to that first night at the Hughes, when TA allegedly got there late and plunked down a wad of money? Plus she admitted she knew his atm passcode, as well as every nook and cranny of his house... oh and of course all those cheques that she by then knew wouldn't have to be honoured.

 

[franquerolane]

My first grade teacher grabbed me by the arm and smacked me on the butt the first day of school. I'd seen my sister and her second grade class at the water fountain and walked out the door to see her. It was no big deal this was in Moore Oklahoma 1957.*

And yet this is a vivid memory all these years later. Wouldn't you have not done it again if that teacher had just told you firmly not to do it again. If she had, I doubt you'd have carried the memory with you.

 

[MeeBee]

My first grade teacher grabbed me by the arm and smacked me on the butt the first day of school. I'd seen my sister and her second grade class at the water fountain and walked out the door to see her. It was no big deal this was in Moore Oklahoma 1957.*

And yet this is a vivid memory all these years later. Wouldn't you have not done it again if that teacher had just told you firmly not to do it again. If she had, I doubt you'd have carried the memory with you.

That is verbatim what I was thinking lol.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

You mean like her mom? Didn't her dad say on that tape that they were forever giving JA money? Not small amounts either, iirc sometimes up to $2500.

I actually think she had likely robbed TA, again. When had his last Super Saturday been, isn't that when they get their cash bonuses that she referred to that first night at the Hughes, when TA allegedly got there late and plunked down a wad of money? Plus she admitted she knew his atm passcode, as well as every nook and cranny of his house... oh and of course all those cheques that she by then knew wouldn't have to be honoured.

I think she took his money also, and I think it was eighty bucks. Four twenty dollar bills folded up and in her pocket. Why would Travis still be letting her have access to his bank account at that point in the relationship? Is she had all that, then why didn't she just transfer funds from her account to Travis when she loaned him all her money? She tells Det. Blaney

17:09
JA: From there they were … I was here, like his armoire whatever it’s called, but his TV was here. and I was right about here and I had to stay here and I was calling his name and they were like, “Shut the hell up,” Umm and I was just…I don’t know if I was crying. It was all just like… It was so weird. Umm… he was going through umm…my purse, and he pulled out my wallet and he just took some cash. Umm I had though my cash stashed in the jeans I had worn, like a good chunk of it, like 80 bucks, stashed in four twenties in the back of my jean pockets which were in my backpack ummm but I had some cash in here, not all of it though. So he took that, though and um…

So she was assaulted and robbed and let go with that you get one chance to live and keep your mouth shut warning, and got threatening postcards from them while in jail.

 

[Hez]

I have always thought she had the keystroke software and/or the software that enables someone to forward copies of another person's emails without them knowing it.

She could have put her email address as an automatic bcc (blind carbon copy) recipient in the email settings and Travis wouldn't know she was seeing every message he sent out. :thinking:

 

[Wagara]

BBM: I completely, 110% agree!!!

I have a daughter and have never once hit, spanked, or slapped her, not even a swat on the hand. That's not how kids learn, IMO. It's unecessary. She's a wonderful, well-behaved child. Her progress report at school included "she is very sweet and loving." I was also spanked HARD as a child and it was awful and it didn't teach me anything but pain and fear. I learned so much better when my step dad just sat down and talked to me. I retained the lessons he taught me when he did. Whenever he spanked me (it was actually more hitting and sparking, it was too hard) I never retained the lesson, just the memory of pain and resentment.

I completely respect the opinion that spankings are against a given parent's beliefs but grow weary of so much opinion that those who were spanked only survived by the skin of their teeth. I was spanked and I am fine. I learned obedience and respect. I learned that if I lied I'd better be better at it than my parents were at busting me. Jodie should have been spanked everyday and twice on Sunday. She should have had her hair pulled with every lie. Some kids are disclipined with spankings and turn out fine. I did. It might not have helped Jodie but I doubt it would have hurt her. MOO JMO ect

 

[MeeBee]

I completely respect the opinion that spankings are against a given parent's beliefs but grow weary of so much opinion that those who were spanked only survived by the skin of their teeth. I was spanked and I am fine. I learned obedience and respect. I learned that if I lied I'd better be better at it than my parents were at busting me. Jodie should have been spanked everyday and twice on Sunday. She should have had her hair pulled with every lie. Some kids are disclipined with spankings and turn out fine. I did. It might not have helped Jodie but I doubt it would have hurt her. MOO JMO ect

Well, my dad didn't just spank like I said. He hit us very, very hard. With hands and with a belt. I remember him leaving a welt after hitting me with an electrical wire. My mom used to hit me and my siblings and throw things like shoes and hair brushes at us. My step dad wasn't just trying to discipline is he was trying to hurt us. You don't have to believe me. But perhaps that's why I'm so adverse to it, I wasn't spanked right. Still, it doesn't bother me when parents spank their kids if they think that's the right way and if the kids turn out fine. But I didn't turn out fine. There was a lot of abuse, physical and emotional, in my childhood. So I don't want to do anything that might seem like abuse to my child. I don't spank her and she's doing fine and I love her very much.

We all have our own paths.