Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing - Part 2

[katiecoolady]

I just told that Brent Kleinman, after he patronized me following my challenge he provide documentation that the "majority" of death row appeals expenses are incurred by the State (like it's the fault of the State, not appellate lawyers that keeps the death penalty appeals process so expensive...um the State is the one that handed down the sentence, it's the appeals lawyers that spend decades delaying it..>DUH). He's also tweeting with a straight face that jodi if given the DP would get only ONE paid appeal (therefore herparents would have to come up with the rest). LIE
His only response was how twitter was not the place to discuss the DP appeals process or have a "discussion". I told him this wasn't a discussion, this was a schooling.
He is disseminating inaccurate info under an attorney badge and he ran in to katiecoolady. I bet his worst nightmare about right now. Oh and he claims to have volunteered for Justice Project AZ helping DR inmates which I don't have a problem with, disseminating misinformation as fact I do.

And blaming the victim (which in this scenario is the State who has to for decades fight to hold the decisions in court so hard fought for in the first place like in this farce of a trial) is not something katiecoolady is ever gonna stand down to.

Boom

 

[Hatfield]

FYI..... supposedly accessed on June 10. The Compaq computer was removed from TA's house on that date. Maybe LE turned computer on before or after removal and that possible Trojan virus kicked in?

Right. It sure screams out that JA loaded something on his PC, doesnt it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Having taken several deep breaths:

1.) If the worst happened and a mistrial was declared that does NOT mean "she walks". It would mean a new trial. There are actually murderers who have ended up having three trials! Let us hope this one doesn't go that way.

2.) If I have read the motion correctly the Defense Team had Lonnie Dworkin of Compufor examine the hard drive. He testified that he found no . In the motion the Defense is saying the reason he didn't find any is because Menendez had already deleted the 1,000 files.

Why would Lonnie Dworkin of Compufor not have found evidence of those erasures when HE examined the hard drive? It is not like it was only one or two files, we're talking a thousand file deletions were missed?? On a computer that had NO FURTHER ACTIVITY after the death of the owner. Meaning that the "empty spaces" that are created on the hard disk when a deletion occurs would not have been filled in by later data being stored in those empty spaces on the disk.

I do NOT believe this situation is the result of any "virus". Now, I notice that Nurmi does not state who has conducted this latest "Forensic Analysis" for Ms. Arias. What if it is her high-school nephew? There is nothing in that motion that indicates who it was. And all Nurmi has to do is say that he believed it to be true, correct? In fact, could he not end up withdrawing this motion?

As Steve44 mentioned in his post, this can all be forensically tracked. The judge can order three independent firms to perform forensic analysis of the hard drive and see what each of them has to say. But that will take time.


I think there are all kinds of games being played here. And I think Mr. Nurmi is playing them. Remember, he wanted off this case. Badly. He applied several times to get off the case and each time the judge denied him. Well, now, I suspect he has made a kind of perverse game out of it for himself. And yes, I think he is trying to wear the Judge down to the point where she just says "Oh, hell, okay, I'll take the damn death penalty off the table".

I tossed and turned all night and didn't get much sleep. I kept waking up and every time the Alexander family was on my mind. I worry about how much more can they take before one of them truly crashes and burns.

I will admit I am worried that JA will walk away from this scott free. Brady violations are very serious and have gotten other cases thrown out with prejudice where the case cant be retried again.

All I can do now is put my full faith in Juan Martinez. I know he will not take this accusation lightly. I just don't believe anyone for the state would do such a thing knowing that it could be traced back to them. Why would Flores sign the computer out and then back in leaving a trail that would lead back to him if he was going to delete files? That makes no sense. If he really did something like this he would go in the evidence room and sign something else out and hide the laptop under his coat. And this was even before JA made the pedophile allegations.

I imagine this motion will stop the testimony from starting Wednesday as planned.

This will have to be sorted out first before they go forward. We may be in a down mode for some time.

IMO

 

[Hatfield]

I believe it was mentioned in the first trial that when the computer was turned on for the first time there was a warning about a virus. So they did know about it. I don't think the State could prove JA put that virus on his computer but I think JA own statements would indicate she was the only one who had access to the computer. Was he even up at 4am when she arrived or was she on the computer at that time trying to install this virus?

I believe this is simple.

JA put the virus on his PC after she killed him.

Then when LE began to read the hard drive OR even possibly turned on Travis computer, then most likely the ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE automatically deleted the infection.

If Travis had a good ANTIVIRUS software installed, it would delete any infected files the minute the virus tried to work.

And if LE was using any of their software to access the hard drive, I am certain they use ANTIVIRUS software as well.

This is very simple and it is screaming out to me that JA put something on his PC manually after she killed him.
And maybe even before that day by email link she got him to open link from an email she sent.

 

[atthelake]

Flores would not be so stupid as to have openly signed the computer out of the locked evidence area in order to delete files. I think if LE want to alter evidence they would know how to do it in a manner that it would not be detectable. I do not think that is what happened here. But just saying....

Regarding if Jodi had downloaded images from a CD onto Travis' computer: Yes, she could have done this. BUT every single one of the files she downloaded would have the same date and time as their "File Creation Date". Which would look kind of hokey, especially if it turned out that date and time was the day of his death.

One of the most popular forensic programs LE uses is called "Encase". There were a lot of interesting articles written about computer forensics after it came out many months after the case was over that some files were missed by the Police Department "computer expert" when the hard disk of the Anthony home computer was examined.

These articles definitely made a case for LE to hire educated, certified IT experts for this work, rather than just promoting a police officer who "expressed an interest in computers" to become their "in office expert". And that was what happened in the Casey Anthony case.



Here's an article about the screw-up in the Anthony case: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Cops-prosecutors-botched-Casey-Anthony-evidence/17495808

"In response, lead sheriff's Investigator Yuri Melich sent Burdick a spreadsheet that, our investigation found, contained less than 2 percent of the computer’s Internet activity that day.

Melich and Osborne relied on Internet data from the computer’s Internet Explorer browser – one Casey Anthony apparently stopped using months earlier. Since March, she preferred the computer’s Mozilla Firefox browser, as investigators already knew.

The spreadsheet sent to Burdick included 17 vague entries from the Internet Explorer browser history on June 16, 2008, and failed to list 1,247 entries recorded on the Mozilla Firefox browser that day -- including the search for “foolproof suffocation.”

The mistake meant prosecutors went to trial unaware of 98.7 percent of the browser history records created that day."

:grouphug: but AZL and another WS member found it :grouphug:



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[Hope4More]

How Nurmi benefits from this accusation, short of outright dismissal:

1. Gains national media attention again, first time since conviction.

2. Elicits the very death threats he claims prevented witnesses from testifying

3. Puts unbearable pressure on TA's family to back down, since this is primarily a doubling down on pedophilia accusations.

4. WILL taint the jury if even one juror breaks the admonition, a greater possibility given heightened media attention.

5. An almost inevitable major delay in resuming trial, thus increasing the liklihood of a mistrial.

6. The creation of an issue for appeal, if not multiple issues.

 

[geevee]

FYI..... supposedly accessed on June 10. The Compaq computer was removed from TA's house on that date. Maybe LE turned computer on before or after removal and that possible Trojan virus kicked in?

If I recall correctly Flores said the laptop was in hibernation/sleep mode when he took possession of it, if he initiated a shut down that could have caused the virus to pop another window or make another connection to the site.

I think mainly Nurmi is trying to cause a mistrial one way or the other, pollute the jury with this tripe, or get things delayed to such an extent that they lose enough jury members and a mistrial must be declared. And possibly open an avenue or two for an appeal for a new trial - it's hard to believe he really wants a confessed slashing, stabbing, gun shooting murderer walking free but I do think that's his end game.

 

[Truth Detector]

They say she wasn't in AZ when the was accessed.

You don't/didn't have to be physically present with the computer to operate it -- then as now.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I really know nothing about the inner workings of computers but could these have been deleted because the expert ran some kind of virus protection program and it deleted all the malware ?

That may not even make sense. I am not sure I know how to say what I am thinking.

 

[Gryphon610]

I believe this is simple.

JA put the virus on his PC after she killed him.

Then when LE began to read the hard drive OR even possibly turned on Travis computer, then most likely the ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE automatically deleted the infection.

If Travis had a good ANTIVIRUS software installed, it would delete any infected files the minute the virus tried to work.

And if LE was using any of their software to access the hard drive, I am certain they use ANTIVIRUS software as well.

This is very simple and it is screaming out to me that JA put something on his PC manually after she killed him.
And maybe even before that day by email link she got him to open link from an email she sent.

Wasn't there a USB cord with what appeared to be a blood smear on it found in the office? Also the screen from the window in his office was found on the ground. Not sure if these were ever addressed but I remember mentions of these from way back.

 

[Truth Detector]

It doesn't matter, it goes by IP address.

Which were and are easily 'proxied' to mask the user's actual ISP-assigned IP address.

 

[Hope4More]

I believe this is simple.

JA put the virus on his PC after she killed him.

Then when LE began to read the hard drive OR even possibly turned on Travis computer, then most likely the ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE automatically deleted the infection.

If Travis had a good ANTIVIRUS software installed, it would delete any infected files the minute the virus tried to work.

And if LE was using any of their software to access the hard drive, I am certain they use ANTIVIRUS software as well.

This is very simple and it is screaming out to me that JA put something on his PC manually after she killed him.
And maybe even before that day by email link she got him to open link from an email she sent.

We need to know the dates when LE first examined the Compaq. It was taken on June 10 , and presumably turned on then because there is allegedly activity on that day.

If LE saw a virus warning that day, what would they do? Certaintky not run an antivirus program without preserving the HD intact as it was.

Was it left untouched until June of following year?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Is court on in the morning? :tantrum::thinking:

No court today.

Now ... will there be Court tomorrow which is on the schedule ?

Don't know because of the latest BS shenanigans by CMJA and the DT !

 

[Truth Detector]

Swung for fences? That's not how I would describe it. If this "expert" is like their guy who testified about what could be seen in TA's eyes from a photo, Nurmi needs to be SANCTIONED. Enough of turning this trial into a freak show.

BBM

JSKS doesn't have it in her.

 

[Hope4More]

Sure would like to know exactly which dates in 2008 it was allegedly accessed.

They are in the motion. May 28- June 10, almost daily for multiple sites.

 

[Truth Detector]

They need to prove the dates and times, IP address. You can't download onto another person's computer remotely.

If that was the case, sex predators would get off (no pun intended) on child charges.

Actually, you could and still can control computers remotely.

This includes downloading of files.

PCAnywhere, Team Viewer, etc. -- there are a number of remote troubleshooting and control software packages available.

She would merely have had to install it on his and her computers.

She had access to them both on numerous occasions.

 

[MeeBee]

I asked my husband and he said Jodi could have either gotten him the virus through a CD or remotely through an email or some such. But he says it's unlikely that using the CD on the day of the murder would show access dates from 5/28 so she must have infected him during her murder plot, prior. Perhaps the CD was to plant more viruses but she couldn't gain acces or something. Or maybe there was no CD.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

KN knows this is BS!

When does Juan get to file a motion against the defense for misconduct, suborning perjury?????

:seeya: Jumping off your post here:

Nurmi and Wilmott should be brought before the Arizona Bar immediately for their unethical and endless shenanigans, as well as they should be disbarred -- for LIFE !

:moo:

 

[Hatfield]

Wasn't there a USB cord with what appeared to be a blood smear on it found in the office? Also the screen from the window in his office was found on the ground. Not sure if these were ever addressed but I remember mentions of these from way back.

Im not sure about the USB cord, but good memory if that was found.

JA could have brought a "flash thumb drive" with her and just copied data directly to his computer using a thumb drive and USB cord.

The more I think about this and the alleged "deleted files", the more I think Travis own ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE probably removed the infection when the computer began to be accessed by LE.

I agree with a previous poster that it is so important LE use highly skilled IT forensic people when dealing with computers because as we can see the defense is making false allegations and these things need to be documented well the sequence of events.

There are simple explanations that happened here and it is screaming out that the killer herself was involved in them. However, if LE did not fully understand or document what was going on with the computer and when things happened, then the defense is going to use them to their advantage.

 

[Truth Detector]

She could've put them on there prior to moving back to Yreka, or the day she killed him. I wasn't suggesting she did it remotely.

Equally doable either way.