Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/01/14 In recess

[ParrotGal]

I hate hate hate liars!!!!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Most on here have probably already read this, but it is so touching, that I wanted to post the link again. :tears: I just wish this case would be over with, and CMJA would be on her way to Perryville. It has gone from bizarre to insane. I just want this evil butcheress to be silenced. Juan was right when he said "she just won't stop".:silenced:

http://travisalexander.org/travis/

 

[MeeBee]

He must have been in shock... he didn't feel any pain.

Shock numbs the pain and shock ,in sooth, is the way in which your own body is motivating you to fight or flight to stay alive. Reacting to pain would get in the way of that and that is precisely why pain is significantly dulled, mind goes blank and instincts kick in.

I know you're the doctor but it doesn't always work like that.

Plus, the suffering part also comes in in that he knew he was dying.

 

[Colie]

I think it might have been something like that, the memory is fuzzy.

I believe in one of the minutes the State claims Marion Parker as a witness.

 

[TexMex]

Right.

And she doesn't want to lose even more than she doesn't want to die.

If saving her life were her priority, the nonsense would have stopped for this retrial.

Not every defendant gets a second chance but this one did and just look at what she has done with it. She could have pleaded to the court and the jury that what happened that day in June 2008 is something she will always regret. She could have expressed grief and sadness at the loss of this man that she loved, sorrow, remorse, that it is something that she will have to live with for the rest of her life, and so on...

But she did not do that. She instead continues to attack her victim. And she does that because she cannot accept losing.

IMO, her inability to accept losing played a huge part in his death.

Yes. She had already "lost" Travis. She'd "lost" almost two years trying to manipulate Travis into marriage. She was surely angry at him, at her situation. She's almost 28, back in a small bedroom in her grandparents small home in a small town. Back to waiting tables in a small restaurant for small tips.
Travis saw her as nothing but a booty call or phone sex at 3am. She wanted marriage and PPL and the LDS connections were her targets. Was she going to allow Travis to ruin her next prospective romance? To regale potential boyfriends with her tire slashing, three hole wonder, window peeping, email hacking, stalking antics? She got it into her warped mind that in order for her to move on...to escape her dreadful life -that she partially blamed on his rejecting her-Travis had to be eliminated..

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I thought the State listed Marsha Parker as a witness. IIRC, she is/was the spouse of Vernon Parker.

 

[RadarLuv]

Ok, so I don't even know how it happened, but I spaced and while doing other unimportant crap today forgot that it was Monday and Trial day. I checked in and see In Recess and couldn;t even read before posting. Please don't tell me court is adjourned til next week......

EDIT TO ADD; I just read a paragraph from ROL, and judging from AZL's posts a person cannot refuse to testify, so what the F? Color me stupid, but shouldn't JA lawyers already know this? I am not following...

 

[Predator]

I know you're the doctor but it doesn't always work like that.

Plus, the suffering part also comes in in that he knew he was dying.

When you are in shock you don't even know that you are dying! Just google the statements of people who tried to commit suicide and failed about what they felt seconds after they were seriously cut and after they lost their first liter of blood. It appears to be a "great" experience to bleed out. I mean I'd rather bleed out than get drowned or beaten to death.

 

[krkrjx]

He must have been in shock... he didn't feel any pain.

Shock numbs the pain and shock ,in sooth, is the way in which your own body is motivating you to fight or flight to stay alive. Reacting to pain would get in the way of that and that is precisely why pain is significantly dulled, mind goes blank and instincts kick in.

I wish I could believe he did not feel any pain but the look on his face in that last shower photo tells me that was not the case.

 

[Ricki]

Ok, so I don't even know how it happened, but I spaced and while doing other unimportant crap today forgot that it was Monday and Trial day. I checked in and see In Recess and couldn;t even read before posting. Please don't tell me court is adjourned til next week......

It's not. Not yet anyway.


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[ILikeToBendPages]

I think it's the state that wants to call Vernon Parker.

The state is calling his wife? There is a Parker ( I think the name was Dorthy) on the list of witnesses for the state.

 

[MeeBee]

When you are in shock you don't even know that you are dying! Just google the statements of people who tried to commit suicide and failed about what they felt seconds after they were seriously cut and after they lost their first liter of blood. It appears to be a "great" experience to bleed out. I mean I'd rather bleed out than get drowned or beaten to death.

Mmm, I'd imagine the experience of lying back and slicing your own wrists during suicide is much more peaceful than being attacked with a giant knife before having your throat sliced open. Jodi describes Travis as "screaming like a girl" and saying "I can't feel my legs." He wasn't just lying there bleeding out. Travis knew he was being killed.

I've read a lot about death and dying. Not every death experience is peaceful and calm.

 

[MeeBee]

The state is calling his wife? There is a Parker ( I think the name was Dorthy) on the list of witnesses for the state.

Juan said in court he was going to be calling Vernon Parker. That's where we got the name.

 

[Predator]

I wish I could believe he did not feel any pain but the look on his face in that last shower photo tells me that was not the case.

I don't deny that he was scared. Well, who wouldn't be. However, the most painful traumas are always the ones that are "compatible with life" and the ones that are not as a rule rather painless.

Here's another direct testimony from a person who went into shock and they are many more like this out there.

Yes! Basically you just go to sleep suddenly. Your BP drops, you feel faint. Everything turns black from the outside in like a lens closing. If it's not reversed with drugs and oxygen and maybe CPR, you keep on shutting down and eventually you stop breathing and then die.

That's what it feels like. Not awful or unpleasant. Just scary as hell afterward when you realize how close you came...

http://www.***********************/forum1/message714225/pg1

 

[bsk]

By the way this is how people feel while in shock and how Travis must've felt (as far as pain concerned I mean):

At the age of 16, I almost died from a doctor who forgot to cauterize my veins after a tonsillectomy. Now Bumble, I beg to differ. I saw no light. I didn't feel any pain laying on the table in the ER. I felt peace. It was an amazing feeling. My brain didn't shut down. I remember looking up (I had lost too much blood and could NOT move) when my father walked in crying. He touched my forehead but I didn't feel the touch. I felt an overwhelming sense of unconditional love. I watched him leave the room as they put me on a gurney. I suppose I blacked out but then came to as the nurses were pushing me into an elevator to go to the operating room. I heard one of the nurses say she was scared to death for me. I told her not to be scared , that I wasn't in pain. How the heck I managed to say that ?? I have no clue . I literally could not move or much else from how much blood I lost. But it did show me one thing. Dying isn't scary, as you say your brain shuts down. I think maybe your brain stops yourself from feeling any pain or going into shock. It may be our bodies way of protecting us. Yet I have to say , the peace I felt was like nothing I have ever felt before or after. Its now 21 years later and I still remember the peace I felt.


URL: http://able2know.org/topic/178024-2

And then there's this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnbEmbOx0fM

 

[krkrjx]

Travis stumbled out of his shower after being stabbed. He tried to get away but had a vicious psychopath hacking at his back, legs, shoulders, head...

He was terrified. I firmly believe it was indeed awful, and to say it was unpleasant would probably be a gross understatement.

This poor man was being murdered with a knife by someone he thought was a friend. The betrayal alone had to cause him immense anguish. No one will ever convince me he did not suffer or that his death was "not awful or unpleasant."

I understand you have a theory that you believe in--that Travis died an easy, peaceful death. I wish I could believe that but no matter how hard I try, I cannot.

 

[Predator]

Mmm, I'd imagine the experience of lying back and slicing your own wrists during suicide is much more peaceful than being attacked with a giant knife before having your throat sliced open. Jodi describes Travis as "screaming like a girl" and saying "I can't feel my legs." He wasn't just lying there bleeding out. Travis knew he was being killed.

I've read a lot about death and dying. Not every death experience is peaceful and calm.

There's the same principal of hypovolemic shock at work. It starts with volume contraction (minor blood loss of less than a liter) and then turns into moderate hypovolemic shock by the time you lose your first liter of blood. Also if you put an "adrenalin rush" and hypoperfusion together in the same individual strange things would happen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_contraction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_(circulatory)

 

[Ricki]

She doesn't even seem believable telling her alleged tale of attempted suicide. I would think that anyone who really tried to off themselves would explain it with emotion. Non detected.


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[hindsight2020]

I sorta expected this latest motion from Nurmi, he alluded to shutting out public/media in his oral argument before the COA judges for all mitigation witnesses, although the motion was exclusively for the secret witness on the stand.

I'd say, more smoke and mirrors, COA Judge Howe clearly stated: "case law notes a defendant has no constitutional right to a secret trial", what has changed????? I may be missing something, because, unless case law is to be rewritten; I just don't see this happening, but then again, most JSS hearings have been sealed so we are not privy to what is actually happening in the court. pfffft.

We'll see what tomorrow brings, hope this is over sooner than later, this is insane.

 

[MeeBee]

There's the same principal of hypovolemic shock at work. It starts with volume contraction (minor blood loss of less than a liter) and then turns into moderate hypovolemic shock by the time you lose your first liter of blood. Also if you put an "adrenalin rush" and hypoperfusion together in the same individual strange things would happen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_contraction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_(circulatory)

I acknowledge what you're saying is possible and Travis really did go into shock and felt little pain. I hope that's true. I've read stories like that involving stabbings where people don't feel much pain. But the stories didn't usually involve an attack such as this one. I've also read stories of people being stabbed who "felt everything." I guess it depends. But Travis wasn't lying on an operating table or in a bath tub bleeding out. He was being murdered. His death was not very peaceful, probably, until he lost enough blood. And even then...maybe not. He was able to stand at the sink and see what she'd done to him in the mirror. She sliced his costocondral cartilidge. I've had costocondritis and it's very painful and feels like you're having a heart attack and can't breathe. I have a hard time believing he couldn't feel that or that he wasn't feeling fear before the effects of blood loss kicked in.

I don't think your anecdotes of what happens to a person who is simply bleeding out can't apply here because he didn't simply bleed out. He was sliced open and he felt it and he saw it and he was fighting for his life.