Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/3 -12/04 In recess w/hearing

[pocketaccent]

Do you recall ever having seen someone totally new in a responsibility, and clearly out of his element?

Maybe a substitute teacher in grade school whose class runs all over her?

That's exactly how she strikes me.

That's an excellent analogy.
Miss Stephens, a substitute teacher gets called in to fill in for Miss DeMarte. Kirk the brat pulls down her skirt, Jennifer darling accuses Miss Stephens of pedophilia, while Jodi the future killer steals Miss Stephens' cell phone and her lunch, and Maria the trouble maker instructs Gus, Matt and Daryl not to tell anyone. Meanwhile, Juan noting all these commotion........

 

[rose222]

Yesterday Jen posted that the dismissed juror is the lady who submitted strange questions. I just read a post from a member stating otherwise. Does anyone know for sure? Thanks!

 

[Ricki]

Yesterday Jen posted that the dismissed juror is the lady who submitted strange questions. I just read a post from a member stating otherwise. Does anyone know for sure? Thanks!

I read the same thing. I have no idea who the juror is. Maybe we will find out today.


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[Ricki]

I wonder if any of Judges peers have told her what a poor job of controlling her court room she is doing. For the life of me I don't know why she didn't tell that witness, who only did part if her homework and spoke out of line to "shut up, turn around and answer the questions ."



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[salberg7]

I am so worried after yesterday's testimony and the sudden cancellation of testimony for this week that perhaps Nurmi will be successful in getting the DP off the table for several reasons. One thing that makes me nervous is that if those three witnesses refuse to testify, will it be to Juan's advantage to subpeana them? If he doesn't, won't that give the defense team ammunition in stating that the killer can't get a fair retrial thus get JSS to dismiss the DP? Why was testimony suspended for today? Why was a juror dismissed? Regarding JSS, is she just bored with this trial and totally given up? I don't mean that to be facetious, what else can explain her disconnect in allowing DrF to not answer questions and disrespect the prosecutor outright? Again I wonder why JSS is allowing this retrial to be a rerun of the guilt phase. It's like JSS has totally tuned out. I expected shenanigans but at this point this retrial has gone beyond absurd. I am just nervous that the killer will get what she wants and the DP will get taken off the table. I have been on Twitter and read that the Alexander family came out of chambers yesterday visibly upset. Has the killer won?

 

[Ricki]

I don't think Nurmi has anyone to put on the stand or he is flat out refusing to until his latest motion is heard. The Alexander's may of been upset because of no court today and they are from out of state and don't want time wastes on delays. Don't know what is up with the juror. I have a feeling we migjt know later. I wish the judge would release the transcripts already but my feeling is she won't do that either until the motion is heard. Maybe that is why there is now an evidentiary hearing on Friday besides the hearing tomorrow.


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[rose222]

I am so worried after yesterday's testimony and the sudden cancellation of testimony for this week that perhaps Nurmi will be successful in getting the DP off the table for several reasons. One thing that makes me nervous is that if those three witnesses refuse to testify, will it be to Juan's advantage to subpeana them? If he doesn't, won't that give the defense team ammunition in stating that the killer can't get a fair retrial thus get JSS to dismiss the DP? Why was testimony suspended for today? Why was a juror dismissed? Regarding JSS, is she just bored with this trial and totally given up? I don't mean that to be facetious, what else can explain her disconnect in allowing DrF to not answer questions and disrespect the prosecutor outright? Again I wonder why JSS is allowing this retrial to be a rerun of the guilt phase. It's like JSS has totally tuned out. I expected shenanigans but at this point this retrial has gone beyond absurd. I am just nervous that the killer will get what she wants and the DP will get taken off the table. I have been on Twitter and read that the Alexander family came out of chambers yesterday visibly upset. Has the killer won?

I'm worried too. The Judge was okay during the last trial. I mean, yes there were endless sidebars and all of that but she did admonish witnesses quite a few times. What has changed? Is she anti-DP? Is she mad at Juan for the COA's ruling? I hate thinking such morbid thoughts about the Judge but I cannot fathom a logical reason for her behaviour.

 

[Ricki]

I don't think there is room for her being bias or mad. If she is anti-DP she should not be the judge although I don't think that's it.


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[Hatfield]

Hatfield,

I really didn't mean to imply that you are looking for vigilante justice. Really. And, now that I've reread my earlier post, I see that it implied you were looking for such. I truly didn't mean that.

I do, however, maintain what I wrote about a citizen's duty. Truce? :truce:

Thanks. It was getting late and I probably took it wrong too.

 

[Ricki]

#JodiArias jurors continue to be treated like smelly relatives. After 2 weeks of 2 jury days each. This week they have only 1 day. #SMH.


This pretty much sums it up.




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[ohreally]

WOW!!!! What a witness. I don't see where any of this has helped Jodi. Looking at the worst case scenario (that the juror believes this expert), what has the defense gained? She has told the court she doesn't believe Travis is a pedophile. So admits Jodi is a liar. She trashes the victim for seven days, but in the end says Travis did not deserve to die in this manner (I forget the exact words she used). She admits that she didn't have all the information.
Not once did I see tweets where Juan tried to reign in the witnesses attitude. I wonder if there were comments made at the sidebar, and Juan told the judge he had no problem with the witnesses attitude. Knowing it was only hurting the defenses case that the witness was acting this way.
All in all I think she was a good prosecution witness, and has hurt the defense.
My biggest question is so what if Travis treated Jodi so badly. They were not living together, so what excuse is there for Jodi to premeditate murder and travel to Travis to do it. Where is the expert to say that Jodi snapped? Where is the expert to say that because of any mental defect she may have that is why she murdered Travis? Where is the expert for her mitigators? I just don't get why she was even on the stand?

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

I hope we can get some clarification on which juror was excused - was it the "older" lady who was troublesome or was it someone else.

 

[Luvrosco]

I'm worried too. The Judge was okay during the last trial. I mean, yes there were endless sidebars and all of that but she did admonish witnesses quite a few times. What has changed? Is she anti-DP? Is she mad at Juan for the COA's ruling? I hate thinking such morbid thoughts about the Judge but I cannot fathom a logical reason for her behaviour.

I'm worried too. She seems out of her league. They need a tough judge. Dr. F. Should have been admonished yesterday, IMO

 

[Foghorn]

I'm worried too. The Judge was okay during the last trial. I mean, yes there were endless sidebars and all of that but she did admonish witnesses quite a few times. What has changed? Is she anti-DP? Is she mad at Juan for the COA's ruling? I hate thinking such morbid thoughts about the Judge but I cannot fathom a logical reason for her behaviour.

Good morning!:coffeews:

I've wondered the same thing, Rose. She can't blame Juan for the COA ruling, if I remember correctly Michael Kiefer called the attorney the day everyone was booted from the courtroom.

There has been a change in JSS from the previous trial and as a former prosecutor and (until now) a respected judge, I have to wonder why? I've also noted a change in her appearance, she looks very tired IMO. I hope it is simply the demands of her job and nothing more, such as a medical condition.

This trial is taking its toll on everyone involved, I'm looking forward to this jury sentencing CMJA and sending her off to prison so that all that have been involved in this fiasco of a trial can resume their lives and find peace knowing that justice has been served.

 

[garthmax]

True, that's why I think the "scammed me" remark involved something to do with money. jmo

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I think it was the phone sex call. He did n't know it was recorded.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I am so worried after yesterday's testimony and the sudden cancellation of testimony for this week that perhaps Nurmi will be successful in getting the DP off the table for several reasons. One thing that makes me nervous is that if those three witnesses refuse to testify, will it be to Juan's advantage to subpeana them? If he doesn't, won't that give the defense team ammunition in stating that the killer can't get a fair retrial thus get JSS to dismiss the DP? Why was testimony suspended for today? Why was a juror dismissed? Regarding JSS, is she just bored with this trial and totally given up? I don't mean that to be facetious, what else can explain her disconnect in allowing DrF to not answer questions and disrespect the prosecutor outright? Again I wonder why JSS is allowing this retrial to be a rerun of the guilt phase. It's like JSS has totally tuned out. I expected shenanigans but at this point this retrial has gone beyond absurd. I am just nervous that the killer will get what she wants and the DP will get taken off the table. I have been on Twitter and read that the Alexander family came out of chambers yesterday visibly upset. Has the killer won?

BBM

Thank you for giving me a jumping-off point to say what I've been thinking!

In Nurmi's latest motion to dismiss the death penalty, he pretty much said that, without "secret" witnesses, he would be unable to present mitigation. In his not-so-humble opinion, that goes against case law that says that cases had been overturned due to the inability of the defense to present mitigation.

Juan so brilliantly gave the actual case law Nurmi mentioned. In every one of those cases, the lack of mitigation came from the COURT not allowing certain testimony. Ie., the defense wanted to prove mitigation through certain facts, certain witnesses and were not allowed to do so by the judge.

This is not the case here. Nurmi is using these cases to cloak his "witnesses" in anonymity. He refuses, as in the first penalty phase, to put witnesses on the stand. When there was a hung jury, he had to take it to a higher level. In none of the cases cited by both parties (mainly Juan), the defense was blocked from presenting mitigation. Nurmi/Arias are personally blocking their own witnesses from testifying.

Say what you will about JSS, I can't imagine she will drop the DP. If she does, I'll totally join those who have totally given up on her.

I am of two minds as to what's going on with those 3 witnesses. Part of me says that Nurmi doesn't really want them to testify at all, and never did. He knows that Juan will destruct them totally on the stand.

The other part of me says that Nurmi would present these witnesses in total secrecy so that the public has no knowledge of what they said and hear how Juan destructed their testimony.

We've only seen ONE witness for the defense as of now. Dr. F did not account for ANY of the mitigation factors listed by the defense. Let's hope that, in deliberations, the jury posts that list writ large on the wall and goes through them to see how many the defense has proven.

As for Juan, I think he is loving the Dr.'s demeanor on the stand with him. I think he is relishing this moment before the jury. Plus, when he's finished for the day, I can imagine him adding a paragraph or ten to his closing trashing her testiphoney. That's when it will really count.

 

[cindymac]

Another reason, in addition to her report of the Deanna lie, I think she talked to Jodi over the break was her now saying Jodi never shaved before Travis. On cross, she admitted this could have been something Jodi always did, but, of course, she was forced to point it out anyway because it concerned her :facepalm:

I'm trying to figure out how that helps Jodi. It's doubtful going bare was new to her when she met Travis, but since Jodi showed up at his home on June 4th with a fresh wax job, and she's now saying she only waxed for Travis, that just goes to premeditation.

I have to wonder how this undercover grooming issue is being taken by the largely female jurors. I would think it would be laughable at best, and highly insulting at worst to be told it's the act of a woman under the thrall of a man.

 

[cubbeegirl]

Help me out folks. I cant recall the name of Jodis ex. The older man she lived with in Ca. I would like to see JM question him on the stand. Nurmis last witness refered to Jodi as a child. Nurmi hopes some of the jurors would be against giving the DP to someone with childlike tendencies. Jodis ex testified in the trial. His description of Jodi during their relationship was anything but childlike. Hes much older than Jodi. He would not want people to believe he dated a woman who had the mind of a child. JM can use him for damage control. This is why I would like to see him on the stand.

Do you mean Darrell Brewer? ( not sure I spelled his name correctly ) but, yes, I would like to see him on the stand as well... this time maybe we can see more than his hands ...I think that would go far to show the jury that CMJA is not little Miss Polly Pureheart . JMO

 

[bsk]

I don't think Nurmi has anyone to put on the stand or he is flat out refusing to until his latest motion is heard. The Alexander's may of been upset because of no court today and they are from out of state and don't want time wastes on delays. Don't know what is up with the juror. I have a feeling we migjt know later. I wish the judge would release the transcripts already but my feeling is she won't do that either until the motion is heard. Maybe that is why there is now an evidentiary hearing on Friday besides the hearing tomorrow.


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Little did we think this summer that we'd be pining for the good old days when the trial moved at a torrid pace. :facepalm:

 

[cindymac]

BBM

Thank you for giving me a jumping-off point to say what I've been thinking!

In Nurmi's latest motion to dismiss the death penalty, he pretty much said that, without "secret" witnesses, he would be unable to present mitigation. In his not-so-humble opinion, that goes against case law that says that cases had been overturned due to the inability of the defense to present mitigation.

Juan so brilliantly gave the actual case law Nurmi mentioned. In every one of those cases, the lack of mitigation came from the COURT not allowing certain testimony. Ie., the defense wanted to prove mitigation through certain facts, certain witnesses and were not allowed to do so by the judge.

This is not the case here. Nurmi is using these cases to cloak his "witnesses" in anonymity. He refuses, as in the first penalty phase, to put witnesses on the stand. When there was a hung jury, he had to take it to a higher level. In none of the cases cited by both parties (mainly Juan), the defense was blocked from presenting mitigation. Nurmi/Arias are personally blocking their own witnesses from testifying.

Say what you will about JSS, I can't imagine she will drop the DP. If she does, I'll totally join those who have totally given up on her.

I am of two minds as to what's going on with those 3 witnesses. Part of me says that Nurmi doesn't really want them to testify at all, and never did. He knows that Juan will destruct them totally on the stand.

The other part of me says that Nurmi would present these witnesses in total secrecy so that the public has no knowledge of what they said and hear how Juan destructed their testimony.

We've only seen ONE witness for the defense as of now. Dr. F did not account for ANY of the mitigation factors listed by the defense. Let's hope that, in deliberations, the jury posts that list writ large on the wall and goes through them to see how many the defense has proven.

As for Juan, I think he is loving the Dr.'s demeanor on the stand with him. I think he is relishing this moment before the jury. Plus, when he's finished for the day, I can imagine him adding a paragraph or ten to his closing trashing her testiphoney. That's when it will really count.

Excellent summary CarolinaMoon.

JSS can also remind/instruct Nurmi/Arias (as did the CoA) that total secrecy is not necessary - there are other less restrictive options available for providing anonymity. As Nurmi is obviously well aware of this, but still playing the "all or nothing" card, I'd say your Option A applies - Nurmi doesn't really want them to testify.