Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 5

[luvmygarden]

This case has affected me like no other. It has left me depressed at how this one innocent victim has been vilified and put on trial. While I have seen that done to some extent in other cases I have never seen it done to this extreme cruel degree.......

I literally could feel my blood pressure rising and my head was pounding yesterday as I read the twisted evil questions KN was asking. I had to stop reading the tweets and walkaway. I just couldn't take it anymore. I think in over 20 years of trial watching this is the first time I have had to do this.

I thought that I would never see another defense attorney as much as I despised Steve Feldman and Baez. I was wrong. But then I had never heard of KN either.

He without a doubt is as slimy and creepy as his client. Everything to KN is about sex, sex, and more sex. Yet if he was defending a child rapist or an adult sex offender, which he says is his expertise, he would fight tooth and nail that the sex aspect be kept out or he would be dismissive.

It breaks my heart that Travis' past life has been reduced to a 40 minute sex tape and that is all the jury knows about him. And to know that this was nothing more than a lure of a black widow is even more painful. Imo, she planned to blackmail Travis with this sex tape. I think she told him around March 26th she had recorded it and he better take her to Cancun or else. This is when Travis knew he was dealing with a psychopath and knew he never wanted her in his life again knowing she was the worst thing that had ever happened to him.

Travis was so much more than a 40 minute span of time. All that knew Travis, loved him. Its hard to find a person that everyone seemed to have liked, admired, and loved but Travis seem to have no enemies... except one of course.

Somehow I hope the jury gets to hear who Travis really was and how kind and thoughtful he was to so many. How he helped the homeless, how he brought people into his home that were down on their luck and how he always tried to find the good in everyone.

Sorry for the lengthy post but as much heartache this one case has given me I know it cant begin to compare the pain and suffering JA and KN have put Travis' family through for 6 long agonizing years. She has held them hostage and just like she stuck the knife deep into Travis' chest she has done the same thing over and over again to the many people that loves Travis.

There is no bar too low for KN. He is going to even be more vulgar and disgusting than the time before. We know that already by the way he ask Det. Flores such filthy questions.

I have never wanted another defendant to get the death penalty as much as I do JA. She reeks of evil and she must be snuffed out permanently one day on a gurney. She doesn't even deserve to breathe air. IMO

My thoughts exactly. KN is adding to the disgusting persona of his client by this approach. T.A. treated ja as a queen showing her a class of people she never knew in her life. ja is disgusting.

 

[joe jones]

I don't think anybody should be given the DP, and I doubt very much this jury will give her the DP, she knows she just has to sway one or two jurors with her tall tales and they won't be able to form a majority,

for Jodie the worst that will happen will be that the trials are finished with, she either gets the DP or LWOP, she gets carted off to jail, no more the centre of attention, people will lose interest, the media will move on to the next sensational trial and she will grow old in her cell,

she loves (imo) the attention and infamy she has gained,

 

[LinasK]

During the first JA trial there were 3 women on death row in AZ. Two of them had cases that involved the death of a child. One of those was overturned since and the woman is awaiting retrial. The third case involved the brutal slaying for gain by a woman against her cancer-stricken husband. AZ very rarely sends a woman to death row, and once there they sit and wait for an execution date that never comes. I'd like to hear Dr. Demarte's opinion of which outcome, DR-LWOP, JA would like least, because I can't decide.

Take heart- that 3rd one- Wendy Andriano, was prosecuted by Juan!!!

 

[rose222]

During the first JA trial there were 3 women on death row in AZ. Two of them had cases that involved the death of a child. One of those was overturned since and the woman is awaiting retrial. The third case involved the brutal slaying for gain by a woman against her cancer-stricken husband. AZ very rarely sends a woman to death row, and once there they sit and wait for an execution date that never comes. I'd like to hear Dr. Demarte's opinion of which outcome, DR-LWOP, JA would like least, because I can't decide.

Take heart- that 3rd one- Wendy Andriano, was prosecuted by Juan!!!

If you guys haven't seen this...a little clip on Perryville death row, Wendy is in there too.

Start at about 4:10 till about 6:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hQccYQ12og

 

[Foghorn]

This case has affected me like no other. It has left me depressed at how this one innocent victim has been vilified and put on trial. While I have seen that done to some extent in other cases I have never seen it done to this extreme cruel degree.......

I literally could feel my blood pressure rising and my head was pounding yesterday as I read the twisted evil questions KN was asking. I had to stop reading the tweets and walkaway. I just couldn't take it anymore. I think in over 20 years of trial watching this is the first time I have had to do this.

I thought that I would never see another defense attorney as much as I despised Steve Feldman and Baez. I was wrong. But then I had never heard of KN either.

He without a doubt is as slimy and creepy as his client. Everything to KN is about sex, sex, and more sex. Yet if he was defending a child rapist or an adult sex offender, which he says is his expertise, he would fight tooth and nail that the sex aspect be kept out or he would be dismissive.

It breaks my heart that Travis' past life has been reduced to a 40 minute sex tape and that is all the jury knows about him. And to know that this was nothing more than a lure of a black widow is even more painful. Imo, she planned to blackmail Travis with this sex tape. I think she told him around March 26th she had recorded it and he better take her to Cancun or else. This is when Travis knew he was dealing with a psychopath and knew he never wanted her in his life again knowing she was the worst thing that had ever happened to him.

Travis was so much more than a 40 minute span of time. All that knew Travis, loved him. Its hard to find a person that everyone seemed to have liked, admired, and loved but Travis seem to have no enemies... except one of course.

Somehow I hope the jury gets to hear who Travis really was and how kind and thoughtful he was to so many. How he helped the homeless, how he brought people into his home that were down on their luck and how he always tried to find the good in everyone.

Sorry for the lengthy post but as much heartache this one case has given me I know it cant begin to compare the pain and suffering JA and KN have put Travis' family through for 6 long agonizing years. She has held them hostage and just like she stuck the knife deep into Travis' chest she has done the same thing over and over again to the many people that loves Travis.

There is no bar too low for KN. He is going to even be more vulgar and disgusting than the time before. We know that already by the way he ask Det. Flores such filthy questions.

I have never wanted another defendant to get the death penalty as much as I do JA. She reeks of evil and she must be snuffed out permanently one day on a gurney. She doesn't even deserve to breathe air. IMO

Thank you, Oceanblueeyes! :tyou:

This post exemplifies my thoughts and feelings to a tee--the thanks button was just not enough!

 

[fifteen89]

AZlawyer - question for you.
I get that "it's the rules" but.....since this is a re-trial of the penalty phase only, it seems logical to me that the prosecutor would get up and present the evidence of what was already proven in the guilt phase. Why is the defense allowed to do anything during that presentation? To me they're only in this phase for the mitigation portion, not the bringing-the-new-jury-up-to-speed part.

Thanks so much for the insight and expertise you share here!

 

[bsk]

The mods may be snoozing with no trial today, but they may butt in eventually.

 

[Tuba]

I'm the poster who keeps stressing that the perpetrator was 27 yrs. & 11 mos. To put it in another context, Arias was 28 when she packed her second rental car with two knives & a new 9 mm. gun, for her getaway. She was 28 when she was arrested after interrogation at that age, 28. She was not a mentally ill young girl but we do know she affects that voice whenever she thinks it serves manipulation.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think anybody should be given the DP, and I doubt very much this jury will give her the DP, she knows she just has to sway one or two jurors with her tall tales and they won't be able to form a majority,

for Jodie the worst that will happen will be that the trials are finished with, she either gets the DP or LWOP, she gets carted off to jail, no more the centre of attention, people will lose interest, the media will move on to the next sensational trial and she will grow old in her cell,

she loves (imo) the attention and infamy she has gained,

I certainly believe someone like Arias deserves nothing less than the death penalty.

I still hope that this jury will do the right thing and remove her gender and base their decision solely on the sadistic and cruel manner in which she murdered her defenseless victim.

People like Arias make me more convinced than ever before that the death penalty should be applied in certain cases. None of the mitigating factors could ever begin to outweigh the aggravating factors and how coldly premeditated the murder was.

I do not want to see Arias put in the general population. She will only gather more enablers who coddle her.

She needs to be on death row and no where else. She needs to be locked in a cell 23/24 hours a day. That's what she deserves.

I really don't care how long the appeals will take. The state pays for the first one, but if it is not overturned, which I don't think it will be, then after then she is on her own.

I want her to know she is a marked woman who has to wear DR across the back of her jumpsuit.

But you are probably correct. If she isn't sentenced to the fullest punishment under the law it will be because we as a society are still dripping with gender biases in our justice system. Jurors instead should be solely looking at the horrific sadist crime the murderer carried out and weighing that without interjecting the gender of the offender.

Travis deserves no less.

IMO

 

[Bernina]

A hollow point is the only way the bullet wouldn't have exited the brain, so that's why they're pushing this idea now.

For those who don't know: these kind of bullets are designed to splay out to remain inside a victim and do more damage by the shape of them.

BBM: or "Mushroom":

and for size comparison (these are REALLY small bullets):

 

[LambChop]

I had to remove a number of posts. Stay on topic. This thread is for discussions on the case against Jodi Arias. Please do not get into a discussion about other cases.


Thanks, Lambchop

 

[Madeleine74]

Arias may or may not be mentally ill (whatever that means exactly) but

- She was ending her 28th year of life when she killed Travis
- She knew right from wrong
- She was living on her own, away from her parents
- She could hold a job, drive, understand laws
- She demonstrated premeditation and preplanning
- She demonstrated consciousness of guilt
- She was sane enough to try and talk her way out of being a suspect by making up multiple stories
- She's allegedly smart like Einstein :floorlaugh:

 

[LinasK]

BBM: or "Mushroom":

and for size comparison (these are REALLY small bullets):

Okay, thanks! I'm not gun/ammo knowledgeable-by choice,wasn't sure how to describe them, but I've seen these on crime shows.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Thanks Nali. I realize jurors sometimes do not know what they are supposed to be doing. What is most scary is how can we expect them to know what their job is when many seemingly intelligent citizens (reporters, bloggers) apparently do not know.

I hope the jury is properly instructed before deliberations of what this phase is about and what they are to decide--and how they are to decide it.

Yes, jurors don't always get it.

True situation here in our area within the last 2 weeks - CAPITAL MURDER CASE - defendant being retried after having his original conviction overturned (from 25 years ago!)....jury was starting deliberations and actually sent a question to the court - how many jurors does it take for a unanimous verdict. YEP, you read that correctly. How many jurors would it take for a unanimous verdict. Gives one a warm and fuzzy feeling, knowing they'd be deciding a CAPITAL MURDER verdict!

 

[Hope4More]

Either people have never followed a trial before or they enjoy scaring themselves silly with "what ifs." I can't think of any other reason to be pessimistic about this case. Arias has already been found guilty of first degree murder. There isn't a greater conviction one can get than that. She will never be free. Never. JSS is not going to give her the opportunity of parole. No parole board would ever free her.

The best, the very best she can possibly hope for is spending the rest of her life in prison. Even if she gets the DP, as has been pointed out scores of times over the last year, she will still be in the same exact prison, in the same size cell and will never be executed because the last female execution was 80+ years ago and there are at least 2 other women ahead of her. So in essence, she'll be spending life in the same prison and her only way out will be in a pine box.

People imagine all kinds of luxuries they think she'll get with a LWOP sentence in prison: parties, mani/pedis, field trips. I don't know where people get these ideas, but the fantasies of some kind of nice cushy life in prison are bizarre, to say the least, and continue to persist as apparently the fantasy provides some kind of entertainment through fear.

Not sure that's a fair assessment, with all due respect. I haven't heard anyone here say that LWOP would be cushy. Many, myself included, hope for the DP because of the greater isolation it imposes.

LWOP means she'll be back in general population. No thanks, and no apologies for feeling that is more than she deserves.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes, jurors don't always get it.

True situation here in our area within the last 2 weeks - CAPITAL MURDER CASE - defendant being retried after having his original conviction overturned (from 25 years ago!)....jury was starting deliberations and actually sent a question to the court - how many jurors does it take for a unanimous verdict. YEP, you read that correctly. How many jurors would it take for a unanimous verdict. Gives one a warm and fuzzy feeling, knowing they'd be deciding a CAPITAL MURDER verdict!

OMG. Just, OMG.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I think I need an exorcism performed in my car! It's always when I'm driving that thoughts of Arias' lies pop into my head. Today it was - Seeing she's such a self professed "coupon clipper", why did she buy a water with her McDonalds' fries if she had bottles of water in the rental? (The ones she supposedly used to wash the blood off her hands in the desert). She was well cleansed before she left Travis' house!

 

[Tuba]

Probably a blessing: I have not seen, this year or last, the photos of Arias and Alexander in the altogether. Only apparently nude bodies with black bars across anatomical features. I did figure out that these were not bars they were carrying around but instead were overlays intended to censor. And certainly, I never saw foreground close-ups of certain censored areas. We have all been excluded from inspecting the footage or stills of them engaged in sex because although such a record exists, it was damaged beyond rehabilitation. I consider all of this "being spared".

 

[Hope4More]

As for her not choosing hollow point bullets so didn't mean to kill Travis.

Using that " logic", if she really meant business ness she could have rented a bazooka, read up on how to make bombs, or set the house on fire with 3 gas can's worth of fuel. Yep.

 

[daisydomino]

As for her not choosing hollow point bullets so didn't mean to kill Travis.

Using that " logic", if she really meant business ness she could have rented a bazooka, read up on how to make bombs, or set the house on fire with 3 gas can's worth of fuel. Yep.

Exactly. It's the same logic Nurmi used when he went over the positions of TA in the shower photos and intervals between photos during which she did *not* attack him. If she really meant business, she would have attacked when he was sleeping or when his back was turned or something.

He's just trying to muddy the waters, which is his job to do. I hope every member of the jury ignores his nonsense.