Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[Dr. Know?]

Jeff Webber ‏@UPRNTalk · 23s24 seconds ago
FlightAware: WestJet Flight #WS2154 lands at Puerto Vallarta airport; flight had send hijacking signal while in-flight.

Yay!

eta, West Jet is tweeting it was sending standard code, not kidnapping #7500.

 

[SouthAussie]

Jeff Webber ‏@UPRNTalk · 23s24 seconds ago
FlightAware: WestJet Flight #WS2154 lands at Puerto Vallarta airport; flight had send hijacking signal while in-flight.

Yay!

eta, West Jet is tweeting it was sending standard code, not kidnapping #7500.

Thank goodness!

 

[Dr. Know?]

WestJet @WestJet
· 26s 26 seconds ago
#WS2154 has landed in Puerto Vallarta and arrived at its gate on schedule.


WestJet @WestJet
· 8m 8 minutes ago
Contrary to internet rumour, air traffic control has confirmed #WS2154 is “squawking” standard transponder code, not 7500.



https://twitter.com/WestJet/status/554065022666960896

Now back to QZ.

 

[SouthAussie]

Officials say if the flight recorder is indeed not inside the tail and still at the bottom of the sea, finding the dark box buried in mud could prove near impossible. (The boxes are bright orange, not dark.)

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...red-from-the-sea/7421420897478/#ixzz3OSzY8TIs


The tail — the only part of the debris so far found — was half buried in mud, and it's feared that if the black box has also become buried, it will be difficult to find. Two weeks have elapsed since the crash. The device's "pinger" works for about a month.

The tail section has yielded no bodies, though two were found on the sea floor nearby, still strapped to their seats.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/airasia...recovered-from-sea-floor-20150110-12lpcp.html

 

[gregjrichards]

JAKARTA: Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan stressed that recovering the victims of Indonesia AirAsia Flight QZ8501 was more important than searching for the aircraft’s black box.

“The ongoing search for the aircraft’s black box is not the primary thing, but the retrieval of its passengers is more important,” he said at the crisis centre at the East Java Police Headquarters in Surabaya on Saturday.

The Indonesian minister said that in line with President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo’s instructions, the search for victims would continue indefinitely.

“The National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) team will not stop searching for the victims and will continue focusing on the search for the victims, dead or alive,” he said as quoted by Antara news agency."

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...ry/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

New article. Really glad the other plane wasn't hijacked after all.

 

[newone]

http://itar-tass.com/en/world/770626

from this photo I can see five windows......begs the question -- were those passenger seating areas and where are the seats....


from SA's post #924 upthread:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/airasia...recovered-from-sea-floor-20150110-12lpcp.html

"The tail section has yielded no bodies, though two were found on the sea floor nearby, still strapped to their seats."

am guessing that 6 across passenger seats would mean that potentially there ''could'' be 28 passengers nearby...((Hopeful that they find them soon))

 

[emirates1957]

Wow, just saw this tweet while searching for news on QZ8501. O/T Flight from Vancouver to Puerto Vallarta. Squawk went from #7500 to 0000 and now back to #7500

Air News agency ‏@airlivenet · 10m10 minutes ago
BREAKING: West Jet #WA2154 possible Hijack situation - 3 people inside cockpit, Mexican Air Force Handling NORAD #skynews - @NikPhillips666

Air News agency ‏@airlivenet · 1m1 minute ago
UPDATE: West Jet #WA2154 is now squawking #7500 again - possible Hijack situation - @NikPhillips666

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Squark 7500 is a universal code to alert a hijacking event..

 

[Snoods]

The tail of AirAsia QZ8501 passenger plane is seen on the deck of the Indonesian Search and Rescue (BASARNAS) ship
Crest Onyx after it was lifted from the sea bed, south of Pangkalan Bun, Central Kalimantan Jan. 10, 2015.

http://www.ibtimes.com/airasia-flig...java-sea-black-box-unlikely-tail-says-1779508


If you are wondering why it looks pretty mangled and ripped apart, just watch the YouTube video a few posts back in the thread.

For some reason I envisioned a much larger section of the tail was being brought up.

 

[newone]

For some reason I envisioned a much larger section of the tail was being brought up.

it's pretty confusing isn't it....various angles are helping to making up a better idea of what they did pull up...it was painstaking to watch them handling the tail over the stern akin to landing a large fish.

the tass photo shows that part of the passenger area ahead of the tail was integral with the recovered piece too. Given that there were five windows in the section am guessing that would be maybe 15 feet of cabin wall as well....MOO & guess

 

[SouthAussie]

Okay, I am officially not getting it. If there are 5 windows in the wreckage (good spot, newone!) then where the heck are the black boxes??? They are supposedly bolted onto the aircraft frame to the rear of the rear door - which is further back than the windows.

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/passengeraircraft/a320family/a320/

 

[SouthAussie]

Typical Cabin Configuration of Airbus A320

http://www.airlines-inform.com/commercial-aircraft/airbus-a320.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh .... this is why they may not be there. (BBM)

Well, they can't be far from where the tail broke off from the plane. I guess if they can find the fuselage (one day :sigh and search the area between the fuselage and where the tail was found (using the retained coordinates :crossfingers, they may find the black boxes.

There are two vital components in the big aeronautical-orange cylinder: the digital memory units for the Digital Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder. The cylinder is armored in stainless steel, lined with insulation against collision forces and thermal extremes. The small cylindrical unit on the end of the big cylinder is the Emergency Locator Transmitter, the beacon that serves as the finding aid. The rectangular box (power supply transformer) and the base, containing processors and interfaces, are expendable. In a crash, the cylinder is expected to break away from the mountings.

http://www.quora.com/How-is-an-aircrafts-black-box-constructed-to-withstand-a-crash

 

[newone]

compare the tail and found section of body to this

 

[SouthAussie]

Sunday, Jan 11, 2015

Indonesia's chief of armed forces, General Moeldoko, said seven divers will be deployed today to Indonesian ship KM Jadayat, which detected the "consistent" pings, to search for the flight recorders ..... about 1km from the area where the tail was found.

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/flight-qz8501-tail-lifted-no-sign-black-box#sthash.kxo2kdzw.dpuf

 

[newone]

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_Asia/Air_Asia_Airbus_320.php

looks like they pulled up part of the galley as well....so black boxes ''could'' have been very closeby

that image was using Air Asia 320-200 to get their configuration ..... again very odd that five windows found integral with part of tail unit...lavatories don't have windows ((??)) and galley is behind lavs . I did see the cutaway for the door (which of course was missing) when they ''hauled'' the wreckage over the stern in Sky news video.

 

[gregjrichards]

Jakarta: The black-box flight recorder from the AirAsia jet that crashed into the Java Sea was not in the tail section recovered from the water on Saturday.

"The signal from the suspected pinger is located around 1 kilometre south-east from the spot where we located the tail section," SB Supriyadi, operations director at the National Search and Rescue Agency, said at Iskandar Air Force Base, Pangkalan Bun, about 1000 kilometres south-east of Singapore, on Saturday. "We will try to get a correct fix of the co-ordinates and send divers afterwards."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/black-b...or-airasia-flight-qz8501-20150111-12lscw.html

New article. As always thanks for all your posts and updates.

 

[newone]

Jakarta: The black-box flight recorder from the AirAsia jet that crashed into the Java Sea was not in the tail section recovered from the water on Saturday.

"The signal from the suspected pinger is located around 1 kilometre south-east from the spot where we located the tail section," SB Supriyadi, operations director at the National Search and Rescue Agency, said at Iskandar Air Force Base, Pangkalan Bun, about 1000 kilometres south-east of Singapore, on Saturday. "We will try to get a correct fix of the co-ordinates and send divers afterwards."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/black-b...or-airasia-flight-qz8501-20150111-12lscw.html

New article. As always thanks for all your posts and updates.

from your link:

this excites me ..... if this is the nose....should be easier for the science wizards to get busy on their computers to find the rest!

"More wreckage from the aircraft may have been found near the tail, said Muhammad Ilyas, the head of oceanic surveys at the country's technology agency. A few hundred metres away from the tail, searchers have found an object that may be the plane's nose, Muhammad Aga, the head of a survey team, said on Friday."

 

[MsFacetious]

I call crap on it being nearly impossible to find the CVR and FDR. :twocents:

They found it in EgyptAir 990 in 10 days and that thing nose dived into the water at full power.
There was mud on the bottom, most of the wreckage was buried in it.
There was NO piece left of that plane as big as that tail section they just pulled up.

Even the CVR and FDR were visibly damaged.
If they WANT to find them, they will. :twocents:

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/10/news/mn-32095

 

[SouthAussie]

They found it !!!! (They think.)


A search team on Sunday (Jan 11) detected the black box of the crashed AirAsia flight QZ8501, a day after the tail section of the aircraft was recovered from the seabed.

According to local media reports, specialist search team BPPT detected the black box at a depth of 30 metres in the Java Sea.

The black box signal was detected in the area where the tail section of the aircraft was found, reported local media.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/qz8501-black-box-detected/1582622.html

 

[newone]

:loveyou:

They found it !!!! (They think.)


A search team on Sunday (Jan 11) detected the black box of the crashed AirAsia flight QZ8501, a day after the tail section of the aircraft was recovered from the seabed.

According to local media reports, specialist search team BPPT detected the black box at a depth of 30 metres in the Java Sea.

The black box signal was detected in the area where the tail section of the aircraft was found, reported local media.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/qz8501-black-box-detected/1582622.html

:loveyou: thank you!! made my day brighter