REVISIT Terri was supposed to drive Kyron to Eugene that day

[adh74]

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That's not what the WW link says. According to WW he went to Terri and Kaine's house on Saturday, the day after Kyron disappeared and the 8th was when he called his father from the Hormans.

You would be correct.

Still...it's possible that the son was camping the day Kyron went missing, and then returned to the Horman home the day after.

 

[cluciano63]

Except one grandfather (?) did say that the visit to Portland had been planned in advance...and the camping trip, if it existed, sounded as though it was meant to last the weekend. So there may be conflicting statements in there somewhere, just not sure they really matter in the overall scheme of all of the conflicting info in this case.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Carol Moulton, who is Terri's mother, said that the older boy was on a boy scout camping trip with his father that weekend.

But then we have the report that the boy was at the Horman home on the weekend because the bio Dad said that TH got upset about something with the polygraph. Is my time line right?

Then we heard the older boy was going to be with the Horman's the whole week. That week was planned even though there must be school for him.

I don't know how reliable Carol is.

At any rate, maybe there was going to be a drop off of the older boy, and since Kaine doesn't get along with him , Terri was going to do the driving.

And to add to all this confusion, there is yet another "older boy" that is not accounted for. That would be DY's older son, who is neither KH's son nor TY's son.

I have wondered if maybe that was the boy who was on the camping trip.

 

[cluciano63]

I think D was referring to her older son and Kyron when she said she enjoyed making the drive with her boys, that they played games in the car, etc...

Terri's mother would not have been talking about D's son...and it was Terri's mom who said that about the camping trip. Not sure where D's son lives in relation to Portand or Medford.

 

[Astrella613]

I think D was referring to her older son and Kyron when she said she enjoyed making the drive with her boys, that they played games in the car, etc...

Terri's mother would not have been talking about D's son...and it was Terri's mom who said that about the camping trip. Not sure where D's son lives in relation to Portand or Medford.

The older son doesn't live with her either?

 

[freefallzzzz]

As a local, if I were to take off on a Friday evening from the Horman's house, I would wait until AFTER 5pm.. Hwy 217, and I5 down until probably past Wilsonville is NOT a place you want to be at 5pm on a Friday afternoon..

Screen shot of traffic right now, Thursday afternoon 4:35pm PST

I-5 at ORE-217
Traffic closest to camera is traveling South

 

[cluciano63]

The older son doesn't live with her either?

I'm not sure but I thought I read that he does not, but can't swear to it or find a link right now.

 

[CaringCitizen]

This is the first time I have thought about this....he may have been well cried on several occasions about returning home because he didn't appreciate that long drive. As much as it is great for both sets of parents to have access to Kyron, that's a brutal commute for a weekend. How many times, I wonder, did this little lad just want to stay at home and be a kid.

I think you are missing the point. This was not "great for both sets of parents" and was part of Terri's whole problem. Among other things, clearly this woman did not want her style cramped any longer. These commutes were brutal - both in frequency and in time spent. Getting rid of Kyron was a surefire way to end them.

How we get to Kyron's crying as an excuse for Terri's behavior, is beyond me. He isn't suddenly crying to his mom because he's tired of the commute. He's crying to his mom because he is being subjected to a scary adult that he fears, and for good reason.

Kids know when something isn't right.

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[cluciano63]

We don't know why Kyron was not wanting to leave Desiree. He may just have preferred his time down in Medford and felt closer to his mom. There, he got to be the baby of the house. I don't even think Desiree knows why he was crying but I don't think it is fair to speculate too much. Kyron looked very happy in all of the photos we have seen, very relaxed and natural for the most part. The only photo I've seen where he looked to be forcing a smile is the final one, taken at the science fair. I've always thought that was a smile-on-command smile.

 

[CaringCitizen]

What if Terri told Kyron after the fair she would take him to his moms early and thats why he was so happy that day, and she told him to hurry and go look at the projects in the gym and she would pull around and meet him there.

I am glad someone has said WHY he was happy that day. Science Fair excitement and then gets to go to his mom's for the weekend. For all of those in various WS threads on this case who keep using the "but Kyron was happy that day" as an excuse to say Terri must have been a good parent, it just doesn't hold up.

When kids are in bad situations, they can still show joy. They can still be happy (even when under the control of the scary adult) because they have other outlets afforded them. Kyron may have (by this point) despised Terri, but to him, all the adults were still acting as normal and nothing was going to change so he managed to hold on to those facets of his life that were good.

What makes me the maddest is that the goodness in Kyron is now being used against him by people on the board. Rather than seeing that he suffered and still kept a smile for the camera people want to use that to defend Terri Moulton Horman. It sickens me, really.

So thank you for pointing out that his happiness was not due to Terri's presence that day. He was just a good natured kid who tried to make the best of his circumstances and very smartly, had the sense to look forward to the future.

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[ThoughtFox]

So about this topic - maybe Kyron couldn't leave early for this trip because had to be in school that day for the Science Fair. And the only adult parental unit in his life who could be there for him was the one person who obviously didn't care about him at all - TH.

How sad! :furious:

But what I'm getting from this is that maybe Terri told Kyron they would be leaving early to go to his Mom's and that's how she got him to leave school? I'm confused about the timeline, but is that possible?

Or maybe Kyron thought he would see his Mom and go on the camping trip - that would make any kid happy, especially if Terri told him they were leaving school early. My kids always danced on air if I got them out early on a Friday.

I still think he could have been seen last "at the school" as the FBI said but that Terri could still have gotten him out of there. They don't seem to know exactly where he was or where he went.

I wonder if they have searched along the route she was supposed to take that day?

But none of this explains why she would wait for the bus to bring him home and then expect to leave on this long trip. :waitasec: I'm baffled. Unless she knew he was never going to be on that bus - it's the only thing that makes sense to me. She would blame the school for losing him.

 

[miabellamoure]

I think you are missing the point. This was not "great for both sets of parents" and was part of Terri's whole problem. Among other things, clearly this woman did not want her style cramped any longer. These commutes were brutal - both in frequency and in time spent. Getting rid of Kyron was a surefire way to end them.

How we get to Kyron's crying as an excuse for Terri's behavior, is beyond me. He isn't suddenly crying to his mom because he's tired of the commute. He's crying to his mom because he is being subjected to a scary adult that he fears, and for good reason.

Kids know when something isn't right.

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Where has TH been reported to have said this was a "problem" for her? I may have missed reading that statement...?

Also, do we know for a fact that TH actually did the commutes by herself without KH each time a visitation was due...or was it this one time only that she was commuting alone?

It's easy to jump to conclusions that oh, poor TH had to make that long, long commute to Medford every other weekend (or whatever) but, that may or may not be the case...kwim?

Also, I have to agree with another poster who mentioned the grueling traffic and how that could have been a factor in what time of the day or evening the trip occurred.

 

[carole]

The older son doesn't live with her either?

I thought Desiree meant that her older son drove with her to get Kyron and the boys played games on the way back to her home.

 

[nursebeeme]

DY says herself (interview) that she regrets having to work that day and miss the science fair.

 

[socalgal2]

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Originally Posted by butterfly1978
What if Terri told Kyron after the fair she would take him to his moms early and thats why he was so happy that day, and she told him to hurry and go look at the projects in the gym and she would pull around and meet him there.

I am glad someone has said WHY he was happy that day. Science Fair excitement and then gets to go to his mom's for the weekend. For all of those in various WS threads on this case who keep using the "but Kyron was happy that day" as an excuse to say Terri must have been a good parent, it just doesn't hold up.

When kids are in bad situations, they can still show joy. They can still be happy (even when under the control of the scary adult) because they have other outlets afforded them. Kyron may have (by this point) despised Terri, but to him, all the adults were still acting as normal and nothing was going to change so he managed to hold on to those facets of his life that were good.

What makes me the maddest is that the goodness in Kyron is now being used against him by people on the board. Rather than seeing that he suffered and still kept a smile for the camera people want to use that to defend Terri Moulton Horman. It sickens me, really.

So thank you for pointing out that his happiness was not due to Terri's presence that day. He was just a good natured kid who tried to make the best of his circumstances and very smartly, had the sense to look forward to the future.

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:aktion033::blowkiss:
Couldn't snip anything! Thank you both! Everything you've said is what I was thinking all along but didn't type out! I'm getting frustrated and just wish Kyron would be found.

 

[For The Kids]

Except one grandfather (?) did say that the visit to Portland had been planned in advance...and the camping trip, if it existed, sounded as though it was meant to last the weekend. So there may be conflicting statements in there somewhere, just not sure they really matter in the overall scheme of all of the conflicting info in this case.

It was his father - not his grandfather.

 

[cluciano63]

I think some posters are assuming too much, as we have no way of knowing if Terri even minded making the 2 hour or so drive each way on a Friday evening. And there would be no reason to leave before 5pm if Desiree worked until 5pm and could not leave before then either. She said she was still at work at 4:25 when she got the call about Kyron. And we don't know that she, Terri, always made it alone, either. I don't think we have anything much to go on, besides her bizarre behavior since Kyron vanished, to state for certain that she was anything but kind to Kyron. If he preferred to be with his real mom, that is natural, especially since the new baby came along. He probably was babied and spoiled a bit with Desiree and Tony.

Until we know that Terri did something terrible to/with Kyron, I am not going to assume that Kaine was so oblivious that he would not know or take action if he did know, that his son was being mistreated in the home, or was miserably unhappy.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Makes sense to me that she'd want to leave early on a Friday for that kind of drive.
I can't imagine taking a 4.5 hour drive with a toddler in a car seat and turning around again to come home .... (that's 9 hours in a car grrrrrr).....

And that would be AFTER his arrival from school ~3pm, THEN the trip out for ice cream- wonder if Terri had packed bags for Kyron that day? If she didn't that seems kind "telling" to me, wouldn't you be getting all his clothes washed and suitcase packed for such an extended trip to his moms? I would.
Anyway, say shes not on the road till 5, and that's conservative, that's her arriving at DY & TY's home about 9:30pm, to turn around and come back hme, arriving (conservatively) about 2:30am. That's quite a day for ANYONE. Was Kaine planning to ride with her? If not, that would have pizzed me off if I had been TH, really. He works 1/2 day and the SHE takes HIS bio child that far away and comes back home wee hrs of the morning? Maybe he was staying home w/ Baby K, but still....long day for (unbalanced anyway) TH!

JMO

abbie

 

[AbbieNormal]

I think some posters are assuming too much, as we have no way of knowing if Terri even minded making the 2 hour or so drive each way on a Friday evening. And there would be no reason to leave before 5pm if Desiree worked until 5pm and could not leave before then either. She said she was still at work at 4:25 when she got the call about Kyron. And we don't know that she, Terri, always made it alone, either. I don't think we have anything much to go on, besides her bizarre behavior since Kyron vanished, to state for certain that she was anything but kind to Kyron. If he preferred to be with his real mom, that is natural, especially since the new baby came along. He probably was babied and spoiled a bit with Desiree and Tony.

Until we know that Terri did something terrible to/with Kyron, I am not going to assume that Kaine was so oblivious that he would not know or take action if he did know, that his son was being mistreated in the home, or was miserably unhappy.

It was reported to be 4.5 hrs EACH way...

 

[cluciano63]

I thought they were meeting in Eugene?