RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

  • #101
I was wondering if maybe a graduate student or maybe like in the case in Idaho a graduate student who was an aid to a professor.

Other thoughts were someone who worked at the school.
Mature age students are a thing, too. My grandmother went to university when she was in her 60s.

MOO
 
  • #102
John Miller:

"The leads that are going to get them the quickest, are not materializing."

"This is someone who plotted this in advance, and deliberately dressed in such a way to make himself difficult to identify."

Luigi Mangione, Kirk shooter, etc. "Another instance of somebody who wanted to strike, wanted to get away, and wanted to that as part of a plan."

Putting out this video is a first step.

They have to go backwards through the video canvas. Most buildings have cameras. They're typically by doors. They'll go over what they have and see if they can identify him in regular clothes, in the event he changed in the bathroom or something.
 
  • #103
Providence police said its not yet clear if the suspected shooter was caught on security camera footage inside the Barus & Holley engineering and physics building, where the shooting was first reported.

“We haven’t recognized him in the video yet,” said Deputy Chief Tim O’Hara. “We do see some video from inside the building of a commotion, students are running. However, from the video that I’ve seen so far, we don’t have the suspect depicted in a video.”

 
  • #104
I was wondering if maybe a graduate student or maybe like in the case in Idaho a graduate student who was an aid to a professor.

Other thoughts were someone who worked at the school.
Graduate student seems like a reasonable guess. I was a grad student at Brown and graduated about 6 years ago. In my experience, the graduate school was a pretty tight knit group since it’s the campus is so catered to undergrads. I always felt so safe while at Brown and this whole thing is really shocking.
 
  • #105
Was the video released yet?
 
  • #106
Graduate student seems like a reasonable guess. I was a grad student at Brown and graduated about 6 years ago. In my experience, the graduate school was a pretty tight knit group since it’s the campus is so catered to undergrads. I always felt so safe while at Brown and this whole thing is really shocking.
Welcome to Websleuths. Sorry a case close to home brought you here, but glad to welcome you to the discussion.
 
  • #107
Graduate student seems like a reasonable guess. I was a grad student at Brown and graduated about 6 years ago. In my experience, the graduate school was a pretty tight knit group since it’s the campus is so catered to undergrads. I always felt so safe while at Brown and this whole thing is really shocking.

Welcome to Websleuths!

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  • #108
John Miller:

"The leads that are going to get them the quickest, are not materializing."

"This is someone who plotted this in advance, and deliberately dressed in such a way to make himself difficult to identify."

Luigi Mangione, Kirk shooter, etc. "Another instance of somebody who wanted to strike, wanted to get away, and wanted to that as part of a plan."

Putting out this video is a first step.

They have to go backwards through the video canvas. Most buildings have cameras. They're typically by doors. They'll go over what they have and see if they can identify him in regular clothes, in the event he changed in the bathroom or something.
If he was able to avoid video cameras today, then it's safe to assume he was in that building before. He knew where the cameras were at if he was not caught on any of them. So, they might need to go back to previous days and look to see if anyone was looking around at cameras or doing anything that looks off for that building.
 
  • #109
If he was able to avoid video cameras today, then it's safe to assume he was in that building before. He knew where the cameras were at if he was not caught on any of them. So, they might need to go back to previous days and look to see if anyone was looking around at cameras or doing anything that looks off for that building.
Yup. Unfortunately, that is going to take an incredibly long amount of time.
 
  • #110
Have they said how many students were in the classroom he attacked?
 
  • #111
  • #112
Yup. Unfortunately, that is going to take an incredibly long amount of time.
Too bad they can't outsource that to some Webslueths.. I know plenty of us would watch camera footage to help.
 
  • #113
This brings up a question I was thinking about this fall:

My kid is a freshman at community college. Access to campus buildings is completely unrestricted. Buildings open at 5 am and are open until 11 pm. He has a Tu night class that gets out at 9 pm, and sometimes I've had to drive him and hang out there for a few hours (he doesn't have a license, we don't live nearby, and sometimes there has been an issue with the bus/train). Between 8-9 is when the biggest academic building (kind of the catch all building that houses many different depts) gets really dead when I've been sitting there. I see security walking through the halls at times. Anyone can walk in.

Do big universities and colleges have ID swipe access to academic buildings? All the time or just in evening/weekend hours? It's been a billion years since I was in college, so I have no idea what modern practices are. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't--clearly during busy daytime hours that would be hard to enforce for classroom buildings because of the high traffic through th entrance doors (easier to enforce for labs/offices within buildings).
 
  • #114
This brings up a question I was thinking about this fall:

My kid is a freshman at community college. Access to campus buildings is completely unrestricted. Buildings open at 5 am and are open until 11 pm. He has a Tu night class that gets out at 9 pm, and sometimes I've had to drive him and hang out there for a few hours (he doesn't have a license and sometimes there has been an issue with the bus/train). Between 8-9 is when the biggest academic building (kind of the catch all building that houses many different depts) gets really dead when I've been sitting there. I see security walking through the halls at times. Anyone can walk in.

Do big universities and colleges have ID swipe access to academic buildings? All the time or just in evening/weekend hours? It's been a billion years since I was in college, so I have no idea what modern practices are. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't--clearly during busy daytime hours that would be hard to enforce for classroom buildings because of the high traffic through th entrance doors (easier to enforce for labs/offices within buildings).
I went to Kansas State University and gradated in 2019 (well into my adulthood, I am in my 40s now) and there was open access to every building I entered. I am sure residence halls were not so open, but academic buildings and common areas were open. I was surprised to read here about card entry to an academic building, but maybe some colleges do have this set up. What is to keep someone from swiping their card and multiple people entering with that person? When classes are about to start, it seems unrealistic to have every student swipe a car to enter one at a time.
 
  • #115
Sorry folks to sound like a grim prophet
but I am pessimistic.

It seems nobody recognized the attacker
if LE still don't know who this person is.

And now we hear the perp also avoided CCTV??

And vanished into thin air??

🤔
 
  • #116
  • #117
Sorry folks to sound like a grim prophet
but I am pessimistic.

It seems nobody recognized the attacker
if LE still don't know who this person is.

And now we hear the perp also avoided CCTV??

And vanished into thin air??

🤔
These guys are ALWAYS captured.

It’s just a matter of when.

Ballistics, possibly dna from casings, surveillance footage, someone who has a known grudge, etc.

You cannot commit a crime like this and get away with it. I remember saying the same about Luigi Mangione.

This one should be easier I think, because it’s just got to be targeted and he must be connected in some way.
 
  • #118
Ok, now I'm annoyed. They're going to be releasing an image of the suspect, but first we're going to have to listen to politicians speak. Every second counts. This is ridiculous.

The fact that I really want to see this video to satisfy my own curiosity, notwithstanding.
The police/FBI will release to you what they want you to see and when they want you to see it. They aren't particularly concerned about what you want to see and when you want to see it.

While they want tips and video from other cameras, they aren't waiting for the Websleuths/Reddit/etc. community's feedback on evidence.
 
  • #119
The police/FBI will release to you what they want you to see and when they want you to see it. They aren't particularly concerned about what you want to see and when you want to see it.

While they want tips and video from other cameras, they aren't waiting for the Websleuths/Reddit/etc. community's feedback on evidence.
This is video they want released, and they want it released because they think it will be helpful in capturing him.

It makes no sense to say you’re releasing a video because you need help, and then hold a lengthy press conference prior to releasing that video.

The video they are going to release will only be helpful if someone knows this person.

Tips from random people on the internet has nothing to do with it.
 
  • #120
John Miller:

"The leads that are going to get them the quickest, are not materializing."

"This is someone who plotted this in advance, and deliberately dressed in such a way to make himself difficult to identify."

Luigi Mangione, Kirk shooter, etc. "Another instance of somebody who wanted to strike, wanted to get away, and wanted to that as part of a plan."

Putting out this video is a first step.

They have to go backwards through the video canvas. Most buildings have cameras. They're typically by doors. They'll go over what they have and see if they can identify him in regular clothes, in the event he changed in the bathroom or something.
I’m just hearing about this situation and am not completely caught up yet.

John Miller is the go-to guy and he knows his stuff. I always trust his depth of knowledge and his experience.

It is alarming that so many hours have passed and there is no clear video of the suspect.

If all they have is what, a video of his back, is that correct? Then I’d guess they are hoping someone who knows him well could identify him, like Tyler Robinson’s father did.

Hopefully somewhere in all the video is a recognizable gait, or clothing, or a tilt of the head, just anything that would lead to his ID and hopefully capture.

CNN is saying right now that two students are dead but that 8 of the 9 injured are students, which I suppose means the 9th injured may be a professor. I’d originally heard that all 11 victims were students, so to my mind this was not going to be someone with a 10-year grudge against a professor, but now I suppose anything is possible.

This is a VERY long time to keep students on lockdown, which seems to indicate that no one knows where the culprit is at the moment. He could be blended in with students in lockdown, for all we know.

JMO and I know I’m still behind in the facts.
 

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