RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

  • #941
2 hr 27 min ago

Brown University’s campus should have more cameras, student leader tells CNN​

From CNN's Maureen Chowdhury

As law enforcement officials continue their manhunt for the perpetrator of Saturday’s deadly mass shooting at Brown University, one student leader tells CNN “more cameras would certainly help us on campus.”

“There certainly needs to be more cameras,” Talib Reddick, president of Brown University’s Undergraduate Council of Students, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

“I do know that the specific building that the shooter went into, Barus and Holley, he left out the back which is essentially on the perimeter of campus, connecting to the local Providence community and neighborhood. So, it’s really unfortunate that there weren’t cameras there and that we haven’t been able to clearly see his face,” he said.

Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Neronha said yesterday that the shooting took place at the very edge of Brown University in an older part of a building that has “fewer, if any” cameras, leaving police to rely mainly on videos from the neighboring residential area to try to identify the person of interest.

As for how the school has handled the tragic shooting, Reddick said he thinks the “response has been very helpful.”

“They’ve been reassuring us. They’ve been doing as best as they can. Brown has been sending out a lot of reports and updates to us,” Reddick said, adding he feels the same about local law enforcement.

“It’s really unfortunate that … the shooter isn’t in custody and that there aren’t enough advances in this case. But I know they’re trying their best,” Reddick said.


3 hr 7 min ago

Brown University defends campus security features and procedures​

From CNN's Rebekah Riess

Brown University today shared details about its video cameras, building access and emergency notification systems on campus, emphasizing that university officials “have and will continue to provide investigators with any and all security camera footage they need,” including of the building targeted in Saturday’s attack.

Building access: “Just like cities and communities across the country, most spaces on campuses do not have guards or gates at every point of access,” Brown spokesperson Brian Clark said in an email to reporters, noting that during the daytime, most buildings on campus are open and accessible as “is common across the nation.”

Security cameras: Brown says its campus has an “expansive network” of security cameras, with more than 1,200 cameras installed across campus buildings and spaces in both interior and exterior locations. Clark noted, however, that “Brown’s security cameras do not extend to every hallway, classroom, laboratory and office across the 250+ buildings on campus.”

Emergency notification systems: While Brown’s public safety team decided not to deploy the school’s siren to “avoid inadvertently sending community members into the path of an active shooter,” the university’s BrownAlert system reached approximately 20,000 people minutes after Brown’s Department of Public Safety was notified about shots fired on campus, Clark said. The alert system, which delivers warnings by “phone, text and/or email,” provided “specific information on what location to avoid,” Clark said.

 
  • #942
With a 2nd person identified, I am inclined to think there's more than 1 person involved - possibly a group or organization. I wonder what the shooter yelled in the classroom - was it some kind of slogan? It think at least 1 student, probably more, was recording the session and the yell was recorded. Perhaps LE knows and is withholding the information for reasons we don't know. JMO, because we are still speculating here.
allahu akbar ???
 
  • #943
With a 2nd person identified, I am inclined to think there's more than 1 person involved - possibly a group or organization. I wonder what the shooter yelled in the classroom - was it some kind of slogan? It think at least 1 student, probably more, was recording the session and the yell was recorded. Perhaps LE knows and is withholding the information for reasons we don't know. JMO, because we are still speculating here.
Hopefully at the press conference we get some really good news like a suspect in custody.
 
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In the first, it looks like a man. In the second, like a woman!
I'm uncertain myself, too. I think the individual may be wearing a hooded sweatshirt under the jacket, and that they're wearing the hood. I think they were wearing layers for protection from the cold. I think the temperature was about 34 degrees F that day, and dropped to the 20s later. It started snowing at some point later.

I can't figure out the footwear.
 
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  • #946
Hopefully at the press conference we get some really good news like a suspect in custody.

Me too!

But it might just be an update that they are trying to locate a "witness/POI" jsut to let people "know" they have someone in their sight glass.
 
  • #947
My first impression was female. Not sure why, but the hands and feet do seem relatively small on second glance. First impression of the shoes is a work clog. The shoe has a molded arch, and imo a wide, slightly upturned toe. Black pants, black clogs -- possibly kitchen work? JMO.

Dansko clog for reference
 
  • #948
I think at least a few people in the room would have recognized that if that’s what was yelled.
It is possible that people in the classroom didn't hear what he said because of the noise of gunfire, probable screaming and panic. Of course, they were focused on fleeing, too, and there probably was noise from the people hurrying out. That is why a recording would be optimal. But someone probably heard it. Was there ambiguity in what was reported? Conflicting accounts? We don't know right now.
 
  • #949
  • #950
Hopefully at the press conference we get some really good news like a suspect in custody.

I just got home from a lovely Chanukah party where there were armed guards to keep us safe.

I was hoping that when I got home, there would be some more info revealed. I see the theories above that there are two persons of interest, is that correct? Also that it may be a woman.

So far I don’t really see that, but I know anything is possible. The gait still appears to me to be masculine.

Looking forward to the presser.
 
  • #951
Given the intense publicity, it's odd this guy did not contact police earlier.
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but he appears to be a POC. Sadly, POC are often targeted (mistakenly), by LE. We've seen enough true crime to know someone trying to be helpful ends up becoming a POI. I can totally see why he wouldn't go to LE. Plus, maybe he didn't see anything or simply doesn't remember! I know if I'm walking often I'm zoned out in my own thoughts not paying attention.
 
  • #952
I think at least a few people in the room would have recognized that if that’s what was yelled.
Yes. So far, no reports. The AG at yesterday’s press conference (links earlier in the thread) said that a few witnesses heard nothing said, and a few heard something that they couldn’t make out. One witness statement:

"We made eye contact," Oduro said. "I know he mumbled something, screamed something, I don't know exactly what was said, but he entered the room and you could just see the panic in all the students' eyes," Oduro said. "I was standing in the front so as soon as he walked in, he immediately saw me and I immediately saw him."

 
  • #953
7 min ago

Student calls Barus and Holley the "worst building" for shooting to happen​

From CNN’s Maureen Chowdhury and Brian Todd

The Barus and Holley engineering building was likely the worst location for the shooting because it lacks certain security measures found in other buildings on Brown University’s campus, student Joe McGonagle told CNN.

“In particular, though, most of the buildings … they had a lobby that anyone can get into, but after, anywhere you try to go after the lobby, they had a security guard where you had to swipe in. Barus and Holley was one of the only buildings that didn’t have something like that,” McGonagle said, adding that he believes this is because it’s an older building with a different layout.

“The front part of it was actually a cafe, so just anyone could walk in and then you could just walk down the hall, past the cafe, into the lecture halls,” he said, noting that he’s familiar with the building because he has taken exams and attended class in the lecture hall where the shooting happened.

McGonagle said he believes the school should have had cameras in all parts of the building, not just the newer areas, and that he was shocked there was not more surveillance.

“I’ve been there multiple times … the fact that there weren’t cameras there actually shocked me,” he said. “I figured there was going to be cameras at least in the hallway that would’ve picked them up because I knew there was cameras in the lecture hall, they just weren’t pointed at the doors to the entrance of the lecture,” he said.

“If I’m being honest, this is probably the worst building for this to happen in, specifically because of these sorts of failures,” McGonagle said.
Earlier today, Brown University officials defended the school’s security features and procedures.

 
  • #954
7 min ago

Student calls Barus and Holley the "worst building" for shooting to happen​

From CNN’s Maureen Chowdhury and Brian Todd

The Barus and Holley engineering building was likely the worst location for the shooting because it lacks certain security measures found in other buildings on Brown University’s campus, student Joe McGonagle told CNN.

“In particular, though, most of the buildings … they had a lobby that anyone can get into, but after, anywhere you try to go after the lobby, they had a security guard where you had to swipe in. Barus and Holley was one of the only buildings that didn’t have something like that,” McGonagle said, adding that he believes this is because it’s an older building with a different layout.

“The front part of it was actually a cafe, so just anyone could walk in and then you could just walk down the hall, past the cafe, into the lecture halls,” he said, noting that he’s familiar with the building because he has taken exams and attended class in the lecture hall where the shooting happened.

McGonagle said he believes the school should have had cameras in all parts of the building, not just the newer areas, and that he was shocked there was not more surveillance.

“I’ve been there multiple times … the fact that there weren’t cameras there actually shocked me,” he said. “I figured there was going to be cameras at least in the hallway that would’ve picked them up because I knew there was cameras in the lecture hall, they just weren’t pointed at the doors to the entrance of the lecture,” he said.

“If I’m being honest, this is probably the worst building for this to happen in, specifically because of these sorts of failures,” McGonagle said.
Earlier today, Brown University officials defended the school’s security features and procedures.


If the shooter has links to Brown, he would have targeted this building and classroom on purpose and because of the poor security measures. If not, then what a coincidence and luck for him!
 
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Has anyone seen it reported what time this specific class usually meets during the week and if it actually met in that building or if it was only in that building that day due to the exam review?
 
  • #957
If the shooter has links to Brown, he would have targeted this building and classroom on purpose and because of the poor security measures. If not, then what a coincidence and luck for him!
So, I wonder if he picked that building because it didn't have cameras.

Or did he pick the building because of the people inside the classroom (or the department) AND he knew there were no cameras?

Or, targeted the people (or the department) and lucked out with the cameras?

Was the target Brown University, the engineering department, specific people, random people?

jmo
 
  • #958
If the shooter has links to Brown, he would have targeted this building and classroom on purpose and because of the poor security measures. If not, then what a coincidence and luck for him!
I originally thought shots were fired in just one classroom but it looks like the witness interviewed and quoted in multiple outlets – teaching assistant Joseph Oduro – heard gunfire outside the class he was teaching before the gunman entered and began shooting again.

 
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