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BillyGoatGruff said:
lol, that was the first thought i had when i read about his old yearbook.....
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lol, that was the first thought i had when i read about his old yearbook.....
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narlacat said:
evening narla!...i think you're right
The guy that I talked about earlier, Don Lehew, is a cohort of the guy that was on Catherine Crier's show today. The guy on Crier's show owns Handwriting University International. It sells courses and 'kits'.
Don Lehew (the guy in that Texas article)
Professional Associations Current:
Handwriting University international - Currently teaching Questioned Document Courses
2. American Board of Forensic Examiners, Fellow of the Board
3. American Board of Forensic Examiners, Lifetime Member
4. Texas Police Association
You might be interested in reading this article about the American Board of Forensic Examiners
It is, really important to separate the O P P O R T U N I S T S and snake oil salemen from the real experts
Don Lehew (the guy in that Texas article)
Professional Associations Current:
Handwriting University international - Currently teaching Questioned Document Courses
2. American Board of Forensic Examiners, Fellow of the Board
3. American Board of Forensic Examiners, Lifetime Member
4. Texas Police Association
You might be interested in reading this article about the American Board of Forensic Examiners
It is, really important to separate the O P P O R T U N I S T S and snake oil salemen from the real experts
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Remember, they said [Court TV] that the pedophiles are all competitive with each other. If he feels he is the "Conqueror" that makes some sense.
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Yes it does. And another question I just thought of yesterday about the RN, HOW could the writer predict that the body would be with held for proper burial?
Then the BPD did try to with hold it! I can't remember the details but what's up with that?
And the BEHEADING thing, did that originate with some misfit's reading of only the violent parts of Bible history, the ancient kings? Because he named one son Seven Exodus. Some mastermind may have told Charlie Manson he could be Apollyon (Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter). Can anyone picture him finding that in the Bible? Can he even read? And didn't Falwell once say, way back before the PTL thing, that you can get by with anything as long as you keep smiling and acting like you're loving, or something to that effect? He evidently stopped saying that, but you have to wonder where he got it, and if JMKarr got the idea from the same source, to keep saying he loves JBR and Bush, or do pedo's typically talk like that?
"Eeek, just saw some handwriting dude on Catherine Crier and HE said the handwriting matches. So, here we go again!"
That guy's not an expert. He even said that they have reason to think Patsy wrote it.
Speaking of which, I transcribed this from "The O'Reilly Factor" last night. Darnay Hoffman was on. Much as I don't like him (with good reason), he said a lot that made sense:
O'Reilly: You don't believe this guy Karr could have written it. Why?
Hoffman: at least nine experts (10, actually) say they feel that Patsy Ramsey is clearly the ransom note writer. In any case, he'll have to pass that test, and he won't.
O'Reilly: Why do you say that?
Hoffman: One of the people reported in the NY Post, David Liebman, is one of my handwriting experts. They asked him to look at the exemplars and the note and there doesn't seem to be anything remotely like a match.
O'Reilly: To be fair to the Ramsey family, other experts said it was not Patsy Ramsey, correct?
(Let me cut in. Later in the show, Greta Van Sustern told him that even the experts who couldn't identify her absolutely said she couldn't be ruled out. That, coupled with the inside knowledge contained in the note indicated an insider.)
Hoffman: The Ramseys have never released any of their handwriting reports, which they could have done and cleared Patsy immediately. They never did, which is suspect to begin with.
(Much as I hate to agree with this fool, he's right.)
O'Reilly: Then why didn't the police charge the late Patsy? Wouldn't 9 be enough to charge her?
(Hell, I've asked that for years!)
Hoffman: It should be. The irony is that the DA said they'd never charge on probable cause; they needed beyond a reasonable doubt, but they're charging on probable cause with regard to this suspect.
O'Reilly: You don't indict on BARD-that's for a jury to decide.
(You'd think the DA would know that!)
Chuck Green then came on and said how the intruder theory is ridiculous, but he made one mistake: he said the Hi-Tec print was still unidentified. It was matched to Burke in 2002.
That guy's not an expert. He even said that they have reason to think Patsy wrote it.
Speaking of which, I transcribed this from "The O'Reilly Factor" last night. Darnay Hoffman was on. Much as I don't like him (with good reason), he said a lot that made sense:
O'Reilly: You don't believe this guy Karr could have written it. Why?
Hoffman: at least nine experts (10, actually) say they feel that Patsy Ramsey is clearly the ransom note writer. In any case, he'll have to pass that test, and he won't.
O'Reilly: Why do you say that?
Hoffman: One of the people reported in the NY Post, David Liebman, is one of my handwriting experts. They asked him to look at the exemplars and the note and there doesn't seem to be anything remotely like a match.
O'Reilly: To be fair to the Ramsey family, other experts said it was not Patsy Ramsey, correct?
(Let me cut in. Later in the show, Greta Van Sustern told him that even the experts who couldn't identify her absolutely said she couldn't be ruled out. That, coupled with the inside knowledge contained in the note indicated an insider.)
Hoffman: The Ramseys have never released any of their handwriting reports, which they could have done and cleared Patsy immediately. They never did, which is suspect to begin with.
(Much as I hate to agree with this fool, he's right.)
O'Reilly: Then why didn't the police charge the late Patsy? Wouldn't 9 be enough to charge her?
(Hell, I've asked that for years!)
Hoffman: It should be. The irony is that the DA said they'd never charge on probable cause; they needed beyond a reasonable doubt, but they're charging on probable cause with regard to this suspect.
O'Reilly: You don't indict on BARD-that's for a jury to decide.
(You'd think the DA would know that!)
Chuck Green then came on and said how the intruder theory is ridiculous, but he made one mistake: he said the Hi-Tec print was still unidentified. It was matched to Burke in 2002.
The guy is a moron!
He just said..."to be fair to Karr, you have to take into consideration that there's ten years difference between the yearbook and the ransom note."
It's TWENTY FOUR years difference! My handwriting looks NOTHING like it did in high school.
Why don't these "experts" do their homework?
He just said..."to be fair to Karr, you have to take into consideration that there's ten years difference between the yearbook and the ransom note."
It's TWENTY FOUR years difference! My handwriting looks NOTHING like it did in high school.
Why don't these "experts" do their homework?
OK, I can't find a picture of the year book handwriting but I did reread the ransom note. The lower case "a" is very distinct and unusual. What do the lower case "a"s look like on the yearbook page?
The most distinct thing I notice on the ransom note is the large spacing between words.
I've only read the ransom note a couple of times, maybe 5 years ago and again today. Whoever wrote this note had mental problems, retardation or something along those lines. Nothing makes sense. The technical stuff is off the wall (i.e. $180,000 is not that heavy) and the threats are forced. We respect your business but then comments about trying to grow brain and being a fat cat.
Rereading it after seeing JMK makes me think he could have wrote it. Would explain the reference to southern charm also. The SBTC, well I just don't know what to think of that.
The most distinct thing I notice on the ransom note is the large spacing between words.
I've only read the ransom note a couple of times, maybe 5 years ago and again today. Whoever wrote this note had mental problems, retardation or something along those lines. Nothing makes sense. The technical stuff is off the wall (i.e. $180,000 is not that heavy) and the threats are forced. We respect your business but then comments about trying to grow brain and being a fat cat.
Rereading it after seeing JMK makes me think he could have wrote it. Would explain the reference to southern charm also. The SBTC, well I just don't know what to think of that.
Wow! And why could not they confirm it was her handwriting?
Just looking over everything really quick. The lowercase "r" and "s". I had noticed them too; they were next on my list. Wow.
Thanks for the link. Is there anywhere that has Patsy handwriting, the whole page, so I can look at the spacing between words.
BTW, I was just being opened minded. I've always thought it was an accident and they covered it up. And will still think this unless given DNA along with other evidence, like proof he was in Colorado. I read Steve Thomas' book when it came out, and the evidence does point to an insider. And well, rich people just act different than we do, so I left it at that. I haven't study the case in detail. Just the Routier case.
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Just looking over everything really quick. The lowercase "r" and "s". I had noticed them too; they were next on my list. Wow.
Thanks for the link. Is there anywhere that has Patsy handwriting, the whole page, so I can look at the spacing between words.
BTW, I was just being opened minded. I've always thought it was an accident and they covered it up. And will still think this unless given DNA along with other evidence, like proof he was in Colorado. I read Steve Thomas' book when it came out, and the evidence does point to an insider. And well, rich people just act different than we do, so I left it at that. I haven't study the case in detail. Just the Routier case.
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"Wow! And why could not they confirm it was her handwriting."
You've got me, friend!
There are plenty of places to see the whole thing.
Try www.acandyrose.com for a start.
You've got me, friend!
There are plenty of places to see the whole thing.
Try www.acandyrose.com for a start.
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That PDF is unfreakingbelievable! For those of you who still can't see it, maybe I''ll make a Braille copy.
Well, it was right under my nose. Sorry.SuperDave said:
Holy crap, just looked at the first one. Well, I know what I will be doing the rest of today.
But you have to admit, how lucky could the Ramsey's be to find someone who made their "a"s the same, was from the south, and had Shall be the conquerer on an old yearbook. And if the DNA mathces, well I still want lots of coroborating (sp?) evidence.
"That PDF is unfreakingbelievable! For those of you who still can't see it, maybe I''ll make a Braille copy."
Whoo!
"But you have to admit, how lucky could the Ramsey's be to find someone who made their "a"s the same, was from the south, and had Shall be the conquerer on an old yearbook."
At this point, I'd believe anything!
Whoo!
"But you have to admit, how lucky could the Ramsey's be to find someone who made their "a"s the same, was from the south, and had Shall be the conquerer on an old yearbook."
At this point, I'd believe anything!
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Is there a link someplace for the yearbook? I can't find the darn thing!:bang:
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To my eyes the year book writing and the ransom note look like the same writing. Especially the A;s.
I believe the JMK was at the scene of the crime. I believe that someone else was with him. So if the DNA comes back as not matching JMK, that will only mean he was not the one who did the actual killing. I think whoever has been funding his travels is who is in with him doing the crime. I do not think JMK is delusional. I think he is evil.
I believe the JMK was at the scene of the crime. I believe that someone else was with him. So if the DNA comes back as not matching JMK, that will only mean he was not the one who did the actual killing. I think whoever has been funding his travels is who is in with him doing the crime. I do not think JMK is delusional. I think he is evil.
They are just discussing the handwriting analysis on LKL with two handwriting experts who cannot agree.
Personally, I do NOT see the similarity. The yearbook writing is very embelished - the ransom note looks like a child's scrawl. As the one analyst just said, many people use that "a", including me half the time. To be fair, while the link on this topic at the acandyrose (?) was very compelling to me, I would like to see the entirety of Patsy's version of the note. Anyone know where I can find that?
JMO
Personally, I do NOT see the similarity. The yearbook writing is very embelished - the ransom note looks like a child's scrawl. As the one analyst just said, many people use that "a", including me half the time. To be fair, while the link on this topic at the acandyrose (?) was very compelling to me, I would like to see the entirety of Patsy's version of the note. Anyone know where I can find that?
JMO
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