S.B.T.C. / Ransom Note Merged

[Delores]

that freaky perverted , i hope he fries

 

[aspidistra]

SuperDave,

Thanks for your reply, but I have a couple or three questions.

1) Since nobody really knows the amount of John Ramsey's 1996 bonus, how could you check the amount?

2) Where did you check the amount?

3) How much was JR's 1996 bonus?

I'm just wondering because Candice DeLong stressed the word MUCH when she said Ramsey received "much more than $118,0000".

Thanks in advance.

In Wikipedia the amount is said to be $118,117.50. A source for this is the Rocky Mountain News with this sentence:
"The note's ransom demand is written as "118,000.00." Van Zandt said the author may have seen John Ramsey's 1995 bonus check of $118,117.50 as evidenced by the unusual use of a decimal point and extra zeroes."

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0908jon.htm

 

[TexMex]

So many yes no yes no! X each other out?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4937378,00.html

Writing analyst was disqualified
Judge challenged expertise of man linking note to Karr

By Lou Kilzer, Rocky Mountain News
August 23, 2006

A handwriting analyst who said he is 99.9 percent certain that John Mark Karr wrote the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note was disqualified as an expert witness earlier this year by a federal judge who challenged his expertise.
Georgia Federal District Court Judge Clay Land wrote that analyst Curtis Baggett was not certified by several industry groups, had not undergone proficiency tests and had not authored texts in the field of handwriting analysis.

In comparison to another expert witness, Land said Baggett's qualifications "are clearly paltry."

-cont-

CTV Jean Casares just reported Baggett has responded that he has testified in 2,500 trials and the four that this judge was talking about were trials where the judge did not have
enough info on the documents in question to know if Baggett was the type of expert needed to examine them Casares said her research showed that Baggett was a qualified handwriting expert.

 

[TexMex]

SuperDave,

Thanks for your reply, but I have a couple or three questions.

1) Since nobody really knows the amount of John Ramsey's 1996 bonus, how could you check the amount?

2) Where did you check the amount?

3) How much was JR's 1996 bonus?

I'm just wondering because Candice DeLong stressed the word MUCH when she said Ramsey received "much more than $118,0000".

Thanks in advance.

Hi magpie

His bonus was NOT in around the amount of $118k.

However, his deferred compensation WAS about $118k.

His BONUS amount was not readily known.

His DEFERRED COMPENSATION amount was on each one of his 1996 checks.


From "The Death of Innocence," page 119-120, John Ramsey states:

"To this day, more than three years later, we still don't know why the killer chose this odd figure. It is one of the strangest components in this mystery. Patsy knew nothing about the amount of the bonus because I took care of the finances and we rarely talked about money. The $118,117.50 dollars I earned that year was deferrd compensation, so there was no point discussing the matter with her.

Acutally, a number of people had access to this figure. Since I was award the bonus in January, 1996, the amount was printed on every pay stub I had received during 1996. Someone nosing through our house could have found a pay stub. Numerous workers at Access Graphics could have accessed the information as well. And I might have discussed the figure with anyone working with our taxes or investments."

 

[magpie]

In Wikipedia the amount is said to be $118,117.50. A source for this is the Rocky Mountain News with this sentence:
"The note's ransom demand is written as "118,000.00." Van Zandt said the author may have seen John Ramsey's 1995 bonus check of $118,117.50 as evidenced by the unusual use of a decimal point and extra zeroes."

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0908jon.htm

I think Ms. DeLong was referring to a "bonus check" he had just received as being much larger than what the ransom note had demanded, as opposed to this "deferred compensation" that had been received in Jan '96.

In my mind, I wouldn't consider a compensation check a bonus.

Compensation would be considered money owed, bonus would imply cream on the top.


This article though, is very interesting.

Check it out here: http://tinyurl.com/jbr2o

Check stub adds to Ramsey mystery
Suspect reportedly claimed to have seen it on desk
August 23, 2006

John Mark Karr reportedly wrote in a 2005 e-mail to University of Colorado professor Michael Tracey that a check stub on John Ramsey's desk included the figure of $118,000 - the amount included in the mysterious ransom note found at the Ramsey home.

If true, the development - reported in recent days by CBS News - could be significant. The check stub and its location, Ramsey's desk, appear to be specific references not commonly discussed in news coverage of the JonBenet Ramsey murder.

snip~~~

It does appear clear, however, that such a pay stub could have been discovered by someone inside the house.

That's because, according to John Ramsey in his book, the $118,117.50 was deferred compensation awarded in January 1996.

That means, Ramsey wrote, that the figure was printed on every pay stub issued him in 1996. Therefore, a December pay stub laying around the house would have contained the figure, even though it was awarded to him at the beginning of the year.

 

[magpie]

Ha! TexMex, our posts are almost identical, except the info came from different sources, so we must be right!

 

[Details]

Boy - I'm in the wrong profession! I want a check for $118,000 to come in, plus a bonus!

 

[magpie]

Boy - I'm in the wrong profession! I want a check for $118,000 to come in, plus a bonus!

No kidding! When my hubby gets home I am going to ask him why he doesn't get comped $118,000 for days off not used, or meals with clients etc. I want some of that high life too! :crazy:

 

[HollywoodBound]

Does anyone know of a link to a picture of the yearbook signing? I saw it briefly on the news but can't find it online.

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

Some further SBTC speculations, off the top of my head:

Saved By The Child
Savior __ The Child
Salvation Brings the Child
Saved Been The Child
Shall Be The Child
Shall Bring The Child
Shall Bind The Child

Etc, etc...

 

[JBean]

Does anyone know of a link to a picture of the yearbook signing? I saw it briefly on the news but can't find it online.

This?
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com...arrYearbook.pdf

 

[wenchie]

Some further SBTC speculations, off the top of my head:

Saved By The Child
Savior __ The Child
Salvation Brings the Child
Saved Been The Child
Shall Be The Child
Shall Bring The Child
Shall Bind The Child

Etc, etc...

Scorned By The Crowd
Shredded By The Chopper
Scratched By The Cat
Screwed By The Cops

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

Scorned By The Crowd
Shredded By The Chopper
Scratched By The Cat
Screwed By The Cops

Heh, yep...one can make up quite a lot of versions of the acronym.

The acronym itself must have meaning only to the killer and/or the Ramseys. If they are one and the same...well...

I would think the acronym would be something that goes with "Victory!"...unless it is the name of an organization.

 

[Hyatt]

Just posted this on another thread but it would belong here. I have never really felt that the handwriting looked like that of an adult, nor did it sound like an adult - maybe that is why it was so long.

However, I don't agree that there was an intruder. Have both parents been protecting the son?

http://almapintada.puellula.com/ramsey/ransomnotes.htm

JMO

 

[justice2]

I had read that the ransom note "copied" from other ranson notes and obviously this is one. Are there others?

 

[tumble]

I had read that the ransom note "copied" from other ranson notes and obviously this is one. Are there others?

Is is quite similar to the Leopold & Loeb ransom note.

 

[justice2]

Is is quite similar to the Leopold & Loeb ransom note.

Yes, that was what I was saying, sorry. I was just wondering if there were any others besides the Leopold and Loeb (and the Lindberg) that the Ramsey note was similar too.

I have to admit my mouth dropped when I saw the Leopold and Loeb.

But I still think the Ramsey RN was written by a female, but apparently that may not eliminate JMK either.

 

[tumble]

Yes, that was what I was saying, sorry. I was just wondering if there were any others besides the Leopold and Loeb (and the Lindberg) that the Ramsey note was similar too.

I have to admit my mouth dropped when I saw the Leopold and Loeb.

But I still think the Ramsey RN was written by a female, but apparently that may not eliminate JMK either.

Sorry, I don't know of any others.

An interesting thing about the L&L kidnapping is that they called the day after EVEN THOUGH Bobby Franks body had already been found.

One might wonder, why hide the body in the winecellar if the kidnapper didn't even had any hopes that it would not be discovered and atleast make a try for the money?

 

[Show Me]

Heh, yep...one can make up quite a lot of versions of the acronym.

The acronym itself must have meaning only to the killer and/or the Ramseys. If they are one and the same...well...

I would think the acronym would be something that goes with "Victory!"...unless it is the name of an organization.

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It's in the Ramsey's own book:

SBTC in DOI Death of Innocence, last paragraph page 135, First Onyx Printing January 2001

John Ramsey speaking: "I also recognized that larger, better-financed companies were growing around us. Even though we were doing fine, I was afraid that unless we expanded, our company would soon be Swallowed By The Competition."

 

[justice2]

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It's in the Ramsey's own book:

SBTC in DOI Death of Innocence, last paragraph page 135, First Onyx Printing January 2001

John Ramsey speaking: "I also recognized that larger, better-financed companies were growing around us. Even though we were doing fine, I was afraid that unless we expanded, our company would soon be Swallowed By The Competition."

Ah, show me. You made my day! LOL