SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #13

[Skigirl]

Sorry if this has already been posted/discussed, but it was news to me that Paul Murdaugh was being secretly videoed, watched, and followed for the year leading up to his death. I wonder if some of the details that are known to LE are from this private investigator?

Private investigator videoed Paul Murdaugh, Moselle property in days before murders

A private investigator had been secretly videoing Paul Murdaugh within three days of his death, and at one point even installed a secret camera at the entrance to the Murdaugh family home in Colleton County where Paul and his mother, Maggie, were murdered in June 2021.

wpde.com

From the article (BBM):

"HAMPTON, S.C. (WCIV) — A private investigator had been secretly videoing Paul Murdaugh within three days of his death, and at one point even installed a secret camera at the entrance to the Murdaugh family home in Colleton County where Paul and his mother, Maggie, were murdered in June 2021.

The videos collected by the private investigator have been provided to detectives with South Carolina's State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) as part of the agency's ongoing investigation into Paul and Maggie Murdaugh's murders, as well as other suspected crimes tied to Alex Murdaugh, Maggie's husband and Paul's father."













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[Seattle1]

So if wording is right Griffen says Murdaugh was Home at his parents house watching a game show.

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Was he living there?

Parents? This continues to confuse me. If his dad was in hospital, wouldn't AM be watching a game show with his mother versus his parents? I understand this is coming from the attorney so maybe the confusion was intentional.

 

[worm]

Parents? This continues to confuse me. If his dad was in hospital, wouldn't AM be watching a game show with his mother versus his parents? I understand this is coming from the attorney so maybe the confusion was intentional.

There’s also reports of him hunting and target shooting during the murders. Busy guy.

 

[SuziQ]

I know very little about the reality of jail and life-toughened criminals.

Does anyone feel qualified to comment on the likely dynamic between AM and others at the detention center? I realize this is jail and not prison, and prison no doubt will be something entirely different, but how do you think the other inmates feel about Big Red and act towards him?

A cash cow? Someone to use? Is there any respect for his law degree and social station? Or is he the brunt of jokes? Short of preferring freedom and his priviledged life, do you think he would find a way to be the big deal among the other inmates (canteen funding only goes so far)?

I realize each inmate brings his own background to the dynamic and there must be a constantly changing population with detention being temporary while awaiting bail or trial, but just curious to know if there might actually be something AM is enjoying. Is he the center of attention (feeding his narcissism) or someone everyone might want to "befriend"?

To partially answer my own questions, his new mug shot says a lot.

IMO, AM is a Psychopath, they are manipulative, and they do quite well in prison. Prison is just another venue for them to play their games.

 

[rescuemom]

I thought it was interesting 3 other people knew she didn't want to meet her husband.

"These same sources say Maggie had expressed her hesitancy to meet with her estranged husband to at least three other people in her life, but ultimately decided it was the right thing to do."

Maggie Murdaugh Was Lured To Moselle On The Night Of Her Murder

Latest in the Murdaugh Murders Saga: Maggie Murdaugh was lured to the family's Moselle hunting property the night she was killed.

www.fitsnews.com

If MM texted a friend about going to see AM and thought it was "fishy", I'm wondering if the friend didn't think it was strange that they did not hear back from her.. or maybe they did. I'm sure LE is on it

 

[rescuemom]

I kn

Re: recent comments re: whether or not AM said something about PM during the 911 call (the supposed "Paul, why did you have to get involved" type comment)....

There was a lot of speculation about that when the 911 call was originally released. At the time, I listened repeatedly and never heard anything like that. (I am not the only one who could not hear/notice the supposed statement.)

I don't think that the released tapes, which were published by various media sources at the time, could have all been pulled back, edited to "delete" the supposed statement, then re-released. (I am saying that in response to recent discussion of the issue.)

MOO.

I KNOW I heard it. I remember thinking that AM knew it was going to happen...either he did it or he arranged it

 

[rescuemom]

I'm terribly behind. How is it known that the time of death for PM and MM is 9-9:30 and not closer to 7?

The timing is very surprising to me. For one, wasn't MM livid that AM wasn't there earlier? Or did she think they were going to be leaving after 9 PM? They supposedly had an hour-long car ride to go see his father who was only a few days away from death. A visit at 10-10:30 PM to someone who is terminally ill and coming to the end of life is a very, very late visit and is hard for me to believe.

I've asked before if the local coroner can be trusted. I don't know anything about this coroner. In some areas and in some cases when a coroner is an elected official but has little medical training a TOD will be when the victim(s) are pronounced dead at the scene by the coroner. If the coroner is also the county medical examiner/pathologist/medical doctor then a more accurate TOD will be confirmed based on preliminary tests on scene and autopsy, etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if when the autopsies are published the 9-10 pm TOD is wrong. I think AM killed them earlier, left the bodies and went to visit mom or dad or both to set up alibi and then played out the drama of discovering the bodies around 10ish.

That property is so rural. AM could kill them around 8 or so leave the property, dispose of guns and be confident that no one is going to happen on the bodies and if someone did.. all the better. He’d be gone!!

The last confirmation of PM and MM being alive was early 8ish. Did the friend to whom MM texted earlier hear from MM again that evening?? Did the friend whose dog was being boarded hear from PM again that evening?? Not that I’ve seen published. That is the real timeline. ..IMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

Just doesn’t add up, how did AM know that Maggie would hang out for two hours if he planned to kill her?

 

[rescuemom]

Just doesn’t add up, how did AM know that Maggie would hang out for two hours if he planned to kill her?

It doesn't add up. MM did not want to be there or anywhere around AM. That's why she left the car running. Like "if we're going let's go." I would think if she thought her going to meet AM to go to hospital ended up being an excuse to get her there then she would leave to go back to Edisto.

 

[vls12345]

I do not for a single minute believe there was a hard core addiction that contributed to this in any meaningful way. Or at all frankly. Yes, he went to 'rehab' but since it was private pay- there is no reason he could not just hide out there for those weeks as long as he paid.

I agree. This is what I have thought all along.

Parents? This continues to confuse me. If his dad was in hospital, wouldn't AM be watching a game show with his mother versus his parents? I understand this is coming from the attorney so maybe the confusion was intentional.

It said "home at his parents house", I think. I wouldn't read too much into it. For families that have been in the same area a long time, I think the parents' home is often referred to as "home". And, yes, his dad was in the hospital but it was still his parents' house. Even now, with his dad passed away, I think it would be normal to sometimes refer to it as his parents' house (rather than just his mom's house at this point).

 

[darlinikkisiks]

Sorry if this has already been posted/discussed, but it was news to me that Paul Murdaugh was being secretly videoed, watched, and followed for the year leading up to his death. I wonder if some of the details that are known to LE are from this private investigator?

Private investigator videoed Paul Murdaugh, Moselle property in days before murders

A private investigator had been secretly videoing Paul Murdaugh within three days of his death, and at one point even installed a secret camera at the entrance to the Murdaugh family home in Colleton County where Paul and his mother, Maggie, were murdered in June 2021.

wpde.com

From the article (BBM):

"HAMPTON, S.C. (WCIV) — A private investigator had been secretly videoing Paul Murdaugh within three days of his death, and at one point even installed a secret camera at the entrance to the Murdaugh family home in Colleton County where Paul and his mother, Maggie, were murdered in June 2021.

The videos collected by the private investigator have been provided to detectives with South Carolina's State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) as part of the agency's ongoing investigation into Paul and Maggie Murdaugh's murders, as well as other suspected crimes tied to Alex Murdaugh, Maggie's husband and Paul's father."













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Wow, this article is explosive! Could this be linked to why Paul’s apartment door in Columbia was found open the day after the murders? That was always a head scratcher for me, as it didn’t seem like Paul lived there full-time anymore (with the spring semester likely having ended by then and Okatie being a two-hour drive), but the timing — the day after the murders — was always so suspicious. I had previously thought it maybe had to do with Alex’s “calls” he had to make the night of the murders, as captured on the 911 dispatch, but now I’m starting to think maybe it could be part of this mess. MOO, of course.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.islandpacket.com/news/local/crime/article252189783.html

 

[stmarysmead]

Just doesn’t add up, how did AM know that Maggie would hang out for two hours if he planned to kill her?

i agree. This is so odd. Perhaps the coroner’s report is wrong.

But…playing devils advocate here…if he killed them a few hours earlier…he would certainly have had time and acres of swamp and woods to dispose of a shirt with blood spatter, guns, etc. Why didn’t he?

He couldn’t have gone to his Mother’s house with a shirt on, splattered with blood.

The news of the camera at the entrance should be very helpful in solving some of these puzzles. I just hope one was at that secondary entrance too.

If he had to work hard to convince her to come to Moselle, why sit around watching game shows or go hunting and make her wait? Whatever he was planning, he might have lost the opportunity.

opinions only, as usual…

 

[Warwick7]

I kn

I KNOW I heard it. I remember thinking that AM knew it was going to happen...either he did it or he arranged it

I posted this yesterday sometime. Fitznews remarked on it too.
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"Based on a barely intelligible remark made in his 9-1-1 call on the night of the murders, there is considerable speculation Alex Murdaugh was not expecting his son to be on the family’s sprawling, 1,700-acre hunting property on that fateful evening last June. Many believe Paul Murdaugh – who was staring down a trio of felony charges related to the aforementioned boat crash at the time of his murder – was collateral damage during a premeditated killing of his mother."

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/07/18...penalty-decision-looms-large-for-alan-wilson/

 

[StarryStarryNight]

i agree. This is so odd. Perhaps the coroner’s report is wrong.

But…playing devils advocate here…if he killed them a few hours earlier…he would certainly have had time and acres of swamp and woods to dispose of a shirt with blood spatter, guns, etc. Why didn’t he?

He couldn’t have gone to his Mother’s house with a shirt on, splattered with blood.

The news of the camera at the entrance should be very helpful in solving some of these puzzles. I just hope one was at that secondary entrance too.

If he had to work hard to convince her to come to Moselle, why sit around watching game shows or go hunting and make her wait? Whatever he was planning, he might have lost the opportunity.

opinions only, as usual…

It would have been easy for AM to clean himself up after the murders since he was right there at one of his houses. I’m sure he had lots of change of clothes options available.
I didn’t think of this until this past weekend after the info from People magazine was released.
He could have even washed his shirt there, the one People mag says had MM’s blood spatter and DNA on it.
I’m thinking AM was wearing a different shirt when LE arrived after the 911 call.
Maybe LE realized this after viewing PM’s video.
Then LE went looking for the ”laundered” shirt.
Also, count me as one who thinks the murders happened before 9pm.

edit: forgot something

 

[Warwick7]

Just doesn’t add up, how did AM know that Maggie would hang out for two hours if he planned to kill her?

Either TOD is wrong...
or
He kept texting..."don't leave Im on my way, just running late..."

Texts and their time stamps are going to be huge in this trial!

Thank God MM texted other people about her feelings and what was going on.

 

[Warwick7]

Editorial: Surprisingly positive start to Murdaugh murder case

Eight years ago, the editor of the Beaufort newspaper wrote about a spate of cases where judges had sealed records and closed courtrooms in South Carolina’s 14th Judicial Circuit, in

www.postandcourier.com

 

[Warwick7]

Wowzers!!!!

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/07/25/murdaugh-murders-the-move-along-nothing-to-see-here-crowd-is-back/

 

[Warwick7]

‎Murdaugh Murders Podcast on Apple Podcasts

‎True Crime · 2022

podcasts.apple.com

 

[GoBuckeyes]

So AM begs MM to come to Moselle so that they can visit his Father together. He even withholds the name of the hospital. Yet, when she arrives between 7 and 7:30pm, he is not there. He may be at his Mother’s, watching TV.…though that is only claimed for the time of the murder.

So now I’m going to purely speculate. After waiting over 2 hours for him to show up, was Maggie leaving right before the murders…and encountered him finally driving in as she was driving out? Do we have a photo of the position of the two cars before they were towed?

With the rainy weather, she may have dropped PM off at the kennels to make the video, and even had a quick peek at the sick dog herself, leaving the car running. Then in the driveway appears AM and violence ensues.

It is a real challenge trying to put these disparate pieces together.

The odd thing about AM’s alibi, is that it seems contingent on the caregiver lying for him. But his sordid past seems to indicate that that this pompous expectation toward others was maybe not unreasonable.

But then, maybe he was there while MM waited at Moselle. Maybe he was waiting away from Moselle for his own reasons. We really don’t know yet.

We have been so dependent on leaks to media to understand what little we know. In my opinion we are in for a few surprises.
All just my opinions.

I think cellphone and vehicle gps data will be key.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Wowzers!!!!

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/07/25/murdaugh-murders-the-move-along-nothing-to-see-here-crowd-is-back/

Thanks for sharing, but couldn't get through the opinion piece.