SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #9

[Elley Mae]

Therefore, if only one spouse is on title, then that spouse may sell the property without the other spouse signing the deed. Similarly, if only one spouse is going to be on the deed then the other spouse is not required to sign the mortgage.

Understanding Buying and Selling Real Estate as a Married Couple - Helms Robison Lee & Bennett, PA

 

[Lux et Veritas]

* Maggie living at Edisto.
* Looming divorce / looming family financial forensics.
* Half or more of AM's fortune goes bye-bye.
* Looming multi-million Beach lawsuit/settlement.
* Massive social / financial / family liability Paul.
* Satterfield and Smith deaths re-opened.

I'm starting to think that AM abducted MM from the beach house and forcibly took her to Moselle to kill her.

Her cell phone (see link below) was found the next day somewhere along Moselle Rd.

My theory: He kidnapped her and along the way to Moselle, he took her phone and threw it out the car window so she couldn't dial 911. He shot her with the assault rifle. Then he called Paul to either 1) hurry and come to Moselle or 2) hurry, come out to the kennels, (depending on where Paul was located that night). He then shot Paul with the shotgun. At that point, he had no need to get rid of Paul's cell phone.

This would explain both why the bodies were a "distance" from each other and that MM was shot in the back - she was trying to escape after she was let out of the vehicle. And, of course, using two different guns was a ruse to make it seem there were two killers. AM certainly had enough time between killing MM and killing PM to grab a second gun.

The walls are closing in on AM hard.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article252301778.html
Maggie Murdaugh’s phone found by Colleton County road | The State
updated Sept 16 2021
... Although Paul Murdaugh’s cell phone was found near his body on the night of the killings June 7, investigators were unable to locate Maggie Murdaugh’s cell phone that night, the sources said. It wasn’t until the next day, Tuesday, June 8, that a family member using his cell phone’s ability to “ping” Maggie Murdaugh’s cell phone found the phone on his digital cell phone map, sources said. ... it had rained the night of June 7 for some time after the killings ... he told police he found Paul’s body lying on the ground more than 100 yards from the main house. It was severely disfigured from shotgun blasts. Some distance away, shot numerous times with an assault rifle, was Maggie’s body. ...

 

[Celery]

Well there you go. Meeting with a divorce lawyer, hiring a forensic accountant and living separately at the beach house in Edisto a little more than an hour away from Moselle.

What the heck was she doing down by the kennels at 9-9:30 at night?

I keep coming back to what I heard AM say that night, IMO.
"For God's sake Paul. Why'd you have to get involved"

With regard to what some people hear on the 911 call as “For God’s sake Paul, why’d you have to get involved?”…

To me it actually sounds more like, “I tried to check for a pulse, but I can’t get a pulse.” In Southern dialects, “for a” is often combined into something that sounds like “fuuh” or “fu-uh.”

That’s what I hear. But who knows.

 

[otto]

With regard to what some people hear on the 911 call as “For God’s sake Paul, why’d you have to get involved?”…

To me it actually sounds more like, “I tried to check for a pulse, but I can’t get a pulse.” In Southern dialects, “for a” is often combined into something that sounds like “fuuh” or “fu-uh.”

That’s what I hear. But who knows.

I absolutely do not hear what some people hear regarding a comment about Paul.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

Don't forget the shower he came back to Moselle to take before he went to see his Mom...but he didn't see PM or MM there...then.

I thought he took a "nap"? A shower makes everything even more suspicious!

 

[Antimony]

I thought he took a "nap"? A shower makes everything even more suspicious!

"Out, Damn Spot" : Lady MacBeth

 

[Born2BWild]

No wonder he was looking for a way out.

Wonder if he pre planned this is left his phone and his mom’s or left it in the house and drove to mom’s and back.

Jmo

And remember there was talk that at the time of the double murder, AM and Maggie were living apart. Too bad Maggie didn’t relocate to her parents’ home or if she had any idea of how volatile her situation was. Poor Maggie.

 

[MoeInVA]

In response to TJW, your post didnt get included in my reply, I don't know why?

Well one person owed him a million dollar mortgage and just paid it off...hummm

And my response to that $1 million mortgage - is that even real?! Or was that fraud just like Satterfield case (I think fraud).
Moo (I haven’t had time to keep up this week. This is not a secret hint. JMO)

 

[Born2BWild]

* Maggie living at Edisto.
* Looming divorce / looming family financial forensics.
* Half or more of AM's fortune goes bye-bye.
* Looming multi-million Beach lawsuit/settlement.
* Massive social / financial / family liability Paul.
* Satterfield and Smith deaths re-opened.

I'm starting to think that AM abducted MM from the beach house and forcibly took her to Moselle to kill her.

Her cell phone (see link below) was found the next day somewhere along Moselle Rd.

My theory: He kidnapped her and along the way to Moselle, he took her phone and threw it out the car window so she couldn't dial 911. He shot her with the assault rifle. Then he called Paul to either 1) hurry and come to Moselle or 2) hurry, come out to the kennels, (depending on where Paul was located that night). He then shot Paul with the shotgun. At that point, he had no need to get rid of Paul's cell phone.

This would explain both why the bodies were a "distance" from each other and that MM was shot in the back - she was trying to escape after she was let out of the vehicle. And, of course, using two different guns was a ruse to make it seem there were two killers. AM certainly had enough time between killing MM and killing PM to grab a second gun.

The walls are closing in on AM hard.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article252301778.html
Maggie Murdaugh’s phone found by Colleton County road | The State
updated Sept 16 2021
... Although Paul Murdaugh’s cell phone was found near his body on the night of the killings June 7, investigators were unable to locate Maggie Murdaugh’s cell phone that night, the sources said. It wasn’t until the next day, Tuesday, June 8, that a family member using his cell phone’s ability to “ping” Maggie Murdaugh’s cell phone found the phone on his digital cell phone map, sources said. ... it had rained the night of June 7 for some time after the killings ... he told police he found Paul’s body lying on the ground more than 100 yards from the main house. It was severely disfigured from shotgun blasts. Some distance away, shot numerous times with an assault rifle, was Maggie’s body. ...

All good points. I wonder if Maggie knew that GS’s sons received nothing from their settlement and that AM deposited the proceeds. I think she’d be mortified.

 

[Snoopster]

And remember there was talk that at the time of the double murder, AM and Maggie were living apart. Too bad Maggie didn’t relocate to her parents’ home or if she had any idea of how volatile her situation was. Poor Maggie.

Do we know for a fact that they were living apart? I wonder if we've jumped to conclusions. I believe this assumption was based on Maggie changing her 'location' on social media to Edisto. But perhaps all of them did? Perhaps they all went back to Moselle to be close to the dying patriarch?

Some have wondered whether Maggie was at Moselle (at the request of AM) and then called her son because of an argument. But perhaps Paul was already there, for the same reason (i.e. dying patriarch).

My theory (and it's just a theory) is that AM confronted MM about the forensic audit and/or an announcement by MM that she wanted a divorce; they got into a fight and he shot her. Or they had a previous fight about this and he lured her to the kennels and shot her unawares. Paul comes to the kennels at the sound of gunfire and screaming and AM has to 'deal with him'. It's just one scenario and AM might not have actually been there. But his alibi is weak, weak, weak.

 

[clearskies1]

* Maggie living at Edisto.
* Looming divorce / looming family financial forensics.
* Half or more of AM's fortune goes bye-bye.
* Looming multi-million Beach lawsuit/settlement.
* Massive social / financial / family liability Paul.
* Satterfield and Smith deaths re-opened.

I'm starting to think that AM abducted MM from the beach house and forcibly took her to Moselle to kill her.

Her cell phone (see link below) was found the next day somewhere along Moselle Rd.

My theory: He kidnapped her and along the way to Moselle, he took her phone and threw it out the car window so she couldn't dial 911. He shot her with the assault rifle. Then he called Paul to either 1) hurry and come to Moselle or 2) hurry, come out to the kennels, (depending on where Paul was located that night). He then shot Paul with the shotgun. At that point, he had no need to get rid of Paul's cell phone.

This would explain both why the bodies were a "distance" from each other and that MM was shot in the back - she was trying to escape after she was let out of the vehicle. And, of course, using two different guns was a ruse to make it seem there were two killers. AM certainly had enough time between killing MM and killing PM to grab a second gun.

The walls are closing in on AM hard.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article252301778.html
Maggie Murdaugh’s phone found by Colleton County road | The State
updated Sept 16 2021
... Although Paul Murdaugh’s cell phone was found near his body on the night of the killings June 7, investigators were unable to locate Maggie Murdaugh’s cell phone that night, the sources said. It wasn’t until the next day, Tuesday, June 8, that a family member using his cell phone’s ability to “ping” Maggie Murdaugh’s cell phone found the phone on his digital cell phone map, sources said. ... it had rained the night of June 7 for some time after the killings ... he told police he found Paul’s body lying on the ground more than 100 yards from the main house. It was severely disfigured from shotgun blasts. Some distance away, shot numerous times with an assault rifle, was Maggie’s body. ...

That seems awfully risky for anyone to do. Edisto is at least an hour away. A long way to drive and not be seen. LE hopefully can tell from cell tower records where her phone was during the day/evening on June 7. JMO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

All the pieces are falling into place. Maggie requested a financial audit, it could be related to divorce proceedings and division of assets. That audit may have triggered a deep dive into finances, potentially exposing money that was embezzled. That would be a problem for Alex. Furthermore, several properties were in Maggie's name, meaning she had control of selling those properties in anticipation of division of family assets.

Paul was tangled up in a very problematic lawsuit (boating death) that was going to cost the family millions.

Elimination of Maggie might put Maggie's assets (property) in Alex's hands, depending on the Will. Elimination of Paul eliminates legal costs that would have been needed for Paul's defence.

Alex had enough time to drive from the hospital to Moselle, back to his mother's house to check on her, and back to Moselle to discover the bodies. Alex could have requested that Maggie and Paul stay at Moselle to be closer to the hospital to have a final visit with his father. Alex discovered the bodies shortly after they were shot, but stated that he was not concerned about a shooter in the vicinity.

I am in no way arguing. I can see this happening. I am just still stunned at the idea of someone shooting their child— and in the face—no matter what. I know it happens and I know PM was not a kind soul but I can’t stand the thought of it for anyone. I’m also stunned by the stupidity of it if AM did this. Did he think his illegal activities wouldn’t come out if his wife and son died? Either way, they were going to be revealed so why murder your wife and child? (I’m not arguing that he didn’t; I’m just saying that he would have lost all he’s lost anyway if MM divorced him and how could he or anyone think murdering two people would squelch the investigation? Perhaps it is that he felt he’d gotten away with so much already that this too would go unchallenged? It is not nice of me to comment on a person’s appearance but in older photos, did AM have what looks now like wild eyes and a wild grin? Perhaps I see that in a vacuum. I put nothing past AM but I still hope he did not shoot his son in the face. Someone did, so it’s terrible in any case. MOO.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

PM, the myopic, egotistical, spoiled rotten, bottom of the barrel human, acting as caretaker??? C’mon... That would require effort, work, dependability, responsibility, all those “noble characteristics” he was clearly lacking. No way. JMO YMMV

Think you misunderstood my post. If PM was staying in the caretaker’s house, as some wondered, it was not to be near the kennels to care for dogs — I was saying if he lived in that second dwelling that could explain why he was in that area of the property when murdered.

 

[Rusty123]

@BrookeButlerTV

The $100,000 reward for information on the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh is set to expire September 30.
Here's a statement from a family spokesperson: "We are disappointed that no one has stepped forward with any leads to solve the murder and claim the $100,000 reward. At this time the family is evaluating what additional steps can be taken to solve the murders of Maggie and Paul."

Interesting use of the word murder and not plural murderS. Things that make you go Hmmmm. Who is this family’s spokesperson because they really made a Freudian slip here I believe.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

That seems awfully risky for anyone to do. Edisto is at least an hour away. A long way to drive and not be seen. LE hopefully can tell from cell tower records where her phone was during the day/evening on June 7. JMO.

Desperate people do risky things. Even if they were seen, there would be nothing strange about AM being at Edisto with his wife or driving with her to Moselle. No one suspected dire trouble in paradise before June 7.

His alibi is that he was visiting his father then his mother. The visits could have been 10 minutes for anyone knows. That left him plenty of time for a round trip drive to Edisto.

 

[clearskies1]

Desperate people do risky things. Even if they were seen, there would be nothing strange about AM being at Edisto with his wife or driving with her to Moselle. No one suspected dire trouble in paradise before June 7.

His alibi is that he was visiting his father then his mother. The visits could have been 10 minutes for anyone knows. That left him plenty of time for a round trip drive to Edisto.

No, nothing strange on June 7. But very strange if, after the murders, your car is seen on surveillance camera in the Edisto area on June 7. Plus the logistics of driving a kidnap victim that distance. Was she bound? There would likely be signs of that on her body afterward. JMO.

 

[skyedaze]

Ok so I heard the divorce attorney for Maggie was confirmed,
then there's a forensic audit....and then she's dead.
On her own property no less...that she was not living at...and found by her soon to be ex.
Right.
I hope he didn't kill PM on purpose...but sure works out well.
wow. I thought this, but to see pieces lining up is stunning.

If the brother could find her phone right away on his app...I bet AM had that app also...and he also would know right where that phone ( and MM) was at any given time..like at a dog kennel.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Interesting use of the word murder and not plural murderS. Things that make you go Hmmmm. Who is this family’s spokesperson because they really made a Freudian slip here I believe.

The original announcement was that AM and BM were offering the reward. Now it’s “the family” taking ownership for offering the award. Guess if it were just BM speaking alone, he would seem to be incriminating his father? IDK — weird wording. JMO.

 

[sunshineray]

With regard to what some people hear on the 911 call as “For God’s sake Paul, why’d you have to get involved?”…

To me it actually sounds more like, “I tried to check for a pulse, but I can’t get a pulse.” In Southern dialects, “for a” is often combined into something that sounds like “fuuh” or “fu-uh.”

That’s what I hear. But who knows.

I don't believe you're listening in the same spot? I also heard AM say at some point he'd tried finding a pulse.

What I hear is right after the dispatcher accepts that his wife's not breathing and asks him to see if his son is breathing....right around the 5:32 mark in Mandy's podcast.
You can clearly hear him say, it's heartwrenching, "For God's sake Paul" then the dispatcher chimes in and you have to disregard her voice to hear, "Why'd you have to get", then the word "involved" is much clearer. AJMO

Like I said, my ears, that's what I hear. I do respect what you're saying though, to each his own.

 

[sunshineray]

And my response to that $1 million mortgage - is that even real?! Or was that fraud just like Satterfield case (I think fraud).
Moo (I haven’t had time to keep up this week. This is not a secret hint. JMO)

I suppose there are all sorts of ways to launder money, as many ways as there are criminals to think them up.